No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$50 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero390 BBgavh94610 Effective Stacks: 10bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is SB Hero calls 20, gavh94 checks Flop (80, 2 players) gavh94 checks, Hero bets 40, gavh94 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) gavh94 checks, Hero bets 100, gavh94 goes all-in 530, Hero goes all-in 210 River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in)Final Pot: 1000 Was at the end of the session and remember pondering this one for a bit, not sure if turn is a bet call or check (when for the bet call because i was running like god at the time). Im not sure how much i can expect the avg population to c/shove weaker combo draws in this spot.
I'd fold the J8 unless this was a sizing you've seen him make with air, I think he's pretty much always bet/calling with better.I'm usually raise/folding the 58o if I'm playing it, but there are opponents who it's best to limp against. As played...hmm. I think I'd bet/call. He should have very little Jx and strong 8x are likely to raise flop as well, and while 76/95 make a good deal of sense, that's just too narrow of a range to be that scared of. Grit teeth and bet/call imo.
The factors in play:1. How strong the rag is.2. How wide the opening range is.3. How well he plays postflop.4. Stack depth (I suspect 20-35bb is much better to flat than <20bb or >35bb).Readless, 25bb deep, I think K2o-K3o are probably folds and K4o/K5o calls, but my sense of that could be off.
I'm calling as well. This opponent will likely jam over with Ax a lot pre, people often pot with their 7x (or raise flop), and nothing else really makes sense. Plenty of missed draws and we only need 30% or so.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$50 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBjagsidhu88450 BBHero550 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BBjagsidhu88 raises to 60, Hero calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, jagsidhu88 checks Turn (120, 2 players) Hero bets 100, jagsidhu88 calls 100 River (320, 2 players) Hero checks, jagsidhu88 checks Final Pot: 320 jagsidhu88 shows Hero shows a pair of Tens Hero wins 320 ( won +160 ) jagsidhu88 lost -160 could i have bet foldeed this river say t80?
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$50 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBheltonlinhares510 BBHero490 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BBheltonlinhares raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, heltonlinhares bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, heltonlinhares bets 80, Hero calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero checks, heltonlinhares checks Final Pot: 320 heltonlinhares shows Hero shows a flush, Jack high Hero wins 320 ( won +160 ) heltonlinhares lost -160 flat flop given we dont fold out anything we beat?should i have went for c/r turn, my plan was to c/c and donk river but then with the extra spade i guess i decided to just use it as a bluff catcher.
not really sure the context of these hands but thought i would post a few since i havent made the most of this the second half of this month and its my last day. wont be continuing next month thanks to our friends at ftp, was going to get read only but if its definately going to be made avaiable to husng prem members i will just get it all then.The programme has helped a bunch, had my sickest month by far, just under $10k from 4 tabling 50 supers (got just over 4.5k in), also topped the husng leaderboard but guess I wont be seeing the money from that.one thing i forgot to do that i intended to was discuss shoving over limps, (appropriate times, depths and hand ranges), i'd be interested to see your results of comparing the ev of checking middle hands and v bad hands vs shoving them over limps, but i'm guessing there wont be a large enoguh samples to draw any concrete conclusions. So i guess any comments on that subject would be welcome.Sucks that the fast track is finishing after this month as i would have definately come back after then, if you keep your poker mind sharp despite this 9 to 5 (lol 9 to 5) then it should come back for a one off month down the line me thinks. Thanks for all the tips,Chad.
Pretty odd hand with the T8s - There shouldn't be many better hands in his range, but it's hard to get value. 290 behind. I think we should bet 90 or so, yeah.Again, I really think leading Qx on Q23r is a huge mistake. People will be follow up on their limp here and bet on the dry board with a big percentage of their air. River is a strange spot, but I think I'd call getting such a great price. There's always the WTF factor.I raise flop with T6s. We're doing it for value. We get lots of value from worse draws, and some from some worse value hands. Everything else we're flipping against really. As played, I'd for sure check/raise turn as well. I think I actually prefer leading the turn the best - people will call with a lot of marginal hands that they would check behind.Congrats on the big month!!! Love to hear it.The biggest factor to your JT question is c-bet %. If he has a lot of air in his range, we jam, if he doesn't, we flat.
I don't know if this'll get an answer since we are in july now but figured worth a try :)Shoving a2-a7 over limps; at what depth are you shoving a2 over a limp readless, will you ever 3x oop with weaker aces or is it mostly shove or fold. I only ask becuase noticed a thread on 2p2 where someone 3x A6dd to a limp 23bb deep and it just didnt seem right to me, but thoac said it was fine and hundrye had no comments other than don't check behind.
Feel free to keep asking questions. "July" will start a little late this month :)A2-A7 over limps is a really interesting question. I think it's actually correct against many opponents just to jam for 20bb - the more you know they never trap, the more it becomes a jam. And it's interesting because regardless, it's not like you're ever getting exploited by jamming - you were jamming over a minraise anyway. But that's never why we take a line, we should do it because it has the best expectation.A6s 23bb deep is very close to a raise and a check behind. I'd raise A7s, but often check back A6s. It's "fine".
bump for ease of finding later,and if mers ir around maybe he can help me with this:What maths would we use to find the distribution of likeilhoods of a specific outcome given a finite sample, for ex say someone raised 4/5 buttons and we are looking to find the likelihood of their pfr being greater than 70% how would we go about this (or just point me in thew direction of the right theory and i'l give it a shot). Thinking in the context of making significant adjustments in the face of small samples.
two questions;1- I have a toenail split in the middle horizontally and has half come off, it's a gonner for sure but i'm not sure whether to wait it out or premtively and possibly painfully tear it off now so a new nail can shine, thoughts?2-I never 3bet bluff readless, I don't really like 3bet bluffing that isnt a shove less than 20bb. I normally think it's a waste of time playing a hand sub optimally in order to set up a dynamic that can later be taken advantage of especially in the midstakes when running into the same opponents is less common. I add in a 3b bluff range maybe a couple of games into the same person if they are opening more than 65%ish, otherwise i don't really get out of line. Leak or ok? I feel like this is fine for midstakes but not working on these aspects will bite me in the ass by the time i move up to 100s/200s. I think in genereal I stick to an optimal strategy and dont get fancy, which is what I think should be done readless, but I dont know when to transistion to a fancy one, where im making plays to disguise my range and force a mistake on my opponent instead of taking a faceup line to maximise bb/hand. Could this be a few hands in with the slightest of reads? A few games in? Or from the get go should i have a repertoire of moves which i should pick at random from to see how an opponent responds (an idea i actually hate the thought of tbh but i know some people do).
2 is a really good question! I've been thinking a lot about that myself.Also, I hope Mers will be able to chime in on your previous question about small sample size, otherwise I'll dig up some Stats formulas and try to come up with something reasonable.I think you can actually come up with pretty decent estimators in just 5 hands, but it would require background probabilities. Perhaps the FastTrack community can work together to mine our data and come up with some population tendencies, and then we can use those to come up with player type estimator formulas that should be quite accurate even with very small sample sizes. Together with some tuned exploitative strategies it could be a systematic approach to transitioning from a static vacuum strategy into a dynamic read dependent maximally exploitative strategy.
^that was a sexy combination of words, but are you implying question 1 wasn't good!? Gonna be a looooooong month. Another thing i used to think about a lot was the the spot to donk readless, i asked about and i got nobody who could give me a concise description of their readless donking strategy, (other than your nugget of donking wet flops with gutshots, the only spot i think warrants it). but i think realised donking kinda shouldnt be done readless (in raised pots) but should likely be one of the first adjustments we make in face of a less than aggressive opponent, for example if i see someone check back any ace high flop or 2-3 dry flops thats me going donk crazy with a value and bluff range, kinda using my perception of spots which i consider mandatory cbets for say 80%+ of villains range to extrapolate that their will be a lot of checking back.Speaking of donks mers is a midonk air in limped pot kinda guy, this is a spot where im not sure how much of a sample i need to start adjusting strategy, 3 calls in a row on dry flops and im lost as to whether to reign it in and give up more spots or to just start unloading the clip (not that im really a fan of running big bluffs in limped pots oop).Also any thoughts on this flat to 3x first hand readless, posted in mers thread too if u think hes better suited to answer with some numbers or stuff.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero600 BBprzemekzzz88400 Effective Stacks: 13bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 60, przemekzzz88 calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) przemekzzz88 checks, Hero bets 60, przemekzzz88 calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) przemekzzz88 checks, Hero checks River (240, 2 players) przemekzzz88 checks, Hero bets 90, przemekzzz88 calls 90 Final Pot: 420 Hero shows two pair, Tens and Fours villain was nit, 5 hands in or so this was his first defend and he hadnt raised hit button once, wasnt sure whether to bet turn or not.
question 1: It's best to wait and let it grow back. Tearing it off is super high variance and I think overall very -ev. The pain you endure with a poor tear is far greater than the satisfaction you gain from successfully removing it pain-free. It took me a couple days to respond to that question, so I assume you made a decision on your own - results?question 2: Just make +ev plays through the natural progression of the game. I would very rarely worry about "creating an image" - I think playing a certain style or building an image is absolute bull shit and almost always involves players making -ev plays to create style/image. I do not have a style. I make +ev plays, see how my image develops through that, and adjust accordingly. Sometimes I make +ev plays that lead to me having a tight image, I adjust to that. Sometimes more aggro, etc. What you were saying about 3bet bluffing sounds good, and I definitely think it's going to be a big leak to 3bet bluff non-allin readless vs the average opponent at any buyin level really. It requires people opening a wide range, and most do not. It also requires fold equity, and that's uncertain with a lot of players as well. Like you said though, it is important to be "capable" of 3bet bluffing - i.e., understanding how to 3bet bluff optimally when the situation arises. It would be very incorrect to just say "never 3bet bluff" obv. If you are playing someone who has folded to a few of your non-allin 3bets at 25ish stacks, and they are opening a healthy range from the button (65%+), then I think trying some non-ai 3bets down to about 18 bb stacks can be fine. Any shorter and you are commiting yourself with a 3bet and jamming will just do a ton better. Post more questions on this, I feel like I'm only touching the surface of what you are asking :)
Another thing i used to think about a lot was the the spot to donk readless, i asked about and i got nobody who could give me a concise description of their readless donking strategy, (other than your nugget of donking wet flops with gutshots, the only spot i think warrants it). but i think realised donking kinda shouldnt be done readless (in raised pots) but should likely be one of the first adjustments we make in face of a less than aggressive opponent, for example if i see someone check back any ace high flop or 2-3 dry flops thats me going donk crazy with a value and bluff range, kinda using my perception of spots which i consider mandatory cbets for say 80%+ of villains range to extrapolate that their will be a lot of checking back.Not just wet boards with gutshots. Think about how your hand plays if you c/c or c/r and then compare that to donkbetting. I think when you think about more situations this way it should be more clear.QT6hh flop we flatted K3hh oop. 24bb stacks. options: check/call - definitely +ev, we do get barreled off some though. when we hit a lot of villains will be shutting down their value range a ton due to scare card (also the K is a card most villains shut down on too), so it will be hard to get a lot of value. check/raise - marginally +ev to +ev, if villain is cbetting a really wide range this will be our best option since we get value from the fold equity we have with his wide cbetting range. most villains dont cbet this board that wide though, so i dont think this is the best option typically. we will have maybe 40-45% equity vs the typical stacking off range if our c/r get jammed on probably, so not that great.donkbet (and donk/3bet) - best option if villain isnt cbetting really wide. most villains respect a donkbet less than a c/r on a board like this, so the range that continues flatting or raising us we should be doing better against than vs a c/r. if our donkbet gets raised we can comfortably 3bet jam - no awkward turn stack size situations like when our c/r gets flatted. also we take initiative away from villain, his flatting range should be relatively weak on a wet board like this so we will still have some opportunities to barrel off as a bluff unimproved. some other hands that i would donkbet (again, if someone is cbetting really wide on all boards then i think donkbetting is far less relavent): also, depending on stack sizes these can bet donkbet/calls or donkbet/3bets - most of them will be donk/3bets since stacks are short in super turbo and ranges will be wider bc of that, deeper stack games you can bet call some of them more.T9 on 872 86 on 752QJ on 982JThh on 752h (overs+backdoor fd)87 on J94What do you think?
Speaking of donks mers is a midonk air in limped pot kinda guy, this is a spot where im not sure how much of a sample i need to start adjusting strategy, 3 calls in a row on dry flops and im lost as to whether to reign it in and give up more spots or to just start unloading the clip (not that im really a fan of running big bluffs in limped pots oop).Donkbetting and leading are two different plays. Donkbetting is when you call a raise and lead out the following street. Leading/stabbing limped we did not call a raise. Villains will treat these 2 plays very differently because: a) we are taking iniative away from them in a raised pot, and b) they are more committed to a raise pot so will be willing to stack off lighter (think about this in relation to raised pots vs 3bet pots vs 4bet pots, etc). "Not that im really a fan of running big bluffs in limped pots oop"^^Huge leak. Think about it. You don't like running big bluffs in limped pots is the exact same thought process as the average player who doesn't like to stack off wide in limped pots - or feels the need to fight for limped pots. The average player gives up limped pots very easily for this exact thought process - it's why fighting for limped pots is so +ev!Post some hands in limped pots and let's expand from there
is that first hand of a ST facing a 3x? Seems way too wide to me facing the average player's 3x'ing range 25bb deep. Remember when someone risks more to win our bb, we don't have to call as often as we do vs a 2x. Interested to see what Mers says though he's the whiz with that type stuff, but I definitely think it's too wide. I would cut out the K6o 87o K5s type stuff.
AT hand:If it's his first flat oop it's pretty unlikely he has much 4X in his oop range (possibly none). Also would expect a lot of QX to play fast on this board, especially this short. I'm betting turn for value against draws/worse TX and so I'm not giving free equity. I'm assuming ur still ahead of a lot of his range and I expect it to call another bet.
ok so the toenail is still hanging in there and will be free to do so for however long it needs good to hear we are on the same page about 3bet bluffs and i 100% agree with the whole not creating an image aspect.when i referenced donking gutshots on wet flops i was speaking in terms of being absolutely readless, so like first or second hand, as far as spots to donk when opponent has shown a low cbet % even over a small sample I think all are good spots to donk, additionaly I think the 872 and 982 flops would likely be the best to donk bluff with any overcard/straight drawish type hands. I don't know why but I get the feeling that flops 8-J high are best for donk bluffing on.Gonna start marking hands in limped pots oop and post a bunch of them after my next couple of sessions.AT hand i agree with, i think described villain was may more likely to flat draws than i have him credit for in the moment and i like the turn bet more in hindsight
ah one thing i didnt notice was that one of those donk examples was just overcards, not sure how i feel about that one other than the fact that the clip will have to be unloaded for 3 stsin fact i guess all of these are 3 sts, would you keep unloading if an ace turns? i think i would in the j8x board, the 89x is close for me and the other 3 i would be more inclined to slow down on the ace, mainly based on my perception of which boards are more likely to get an ace high call.
ya i would barrel most of those situations on an A turn. remember that our 3rd barrel doesn't have to work 100% to be correct. if we're betting like 300 into 280 on river or something it only needs to work 300/580 or about 52% or so. so just make sure you are considering villains full range, it's very unlikely AX makes up even close to enough of their range in any of those situations to make barreling bad. embrace "unloading 3 clips". the reason you are hesitant to unload 3 is the same reason that it works so well - villains hate calling 3 :)
im having this really brain dead moment about whether to barrel 2nd pairs on A high flops, AQ73J, my default line with q5 would probably be bet check bet(?)With KJ i would fire all 3 sts to try and fold out a queen.thoughts?been pretty lax last few days because was galavanting round London eating tasty shit all weekend, will get back on it tomorrow. edit; assume 25bb deep for examples with minraise/40/100/320 bets
with Q5, i would need to know that villain is calling 2 barrels REALLY light to be barreling for value. bet/check/bet looks good to me. if your opponent respects your bet/check/bet line, i would just bet/check/check as you probably just valuetown yourself with a bet here vs that type. in general, bet/check/bet looks good to me.hmm, i think you are drastically overrating how much you can fold out QX on AQ73J. imo wayyyy too many players call down QX on this board. it's a dangerous board to barrel wide on because their is no change in relative hand strength from street to street. what i mean by that is that QX will likely remain 2nd pair on the turn and river, barring the rare overcard K where you might get some folds from QX bc it has now become 3rd pair. if you trying to fold out villains 6X with barrels on a Q63 board, thats a lot different imo. the chances of 6X going from 2nd pair on the flop, to 3rd or even 4th pair with overcards on the turn/river is pretty high. most players DO NOT think about ranges and they just perceive overcards as scared cards because they change their relative hand strength. hope that makes sense.so i'm a lot less likely to barrel light on AQXXX, a lot more likely on A63XX, and even more likely on 862 J K or something. see?
some barreling spots...i randomly marked these during the days session, unfortunately my reads arent best now that im lookin at them at the end of the day but will make sure to note them at same time too in future.. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero560 SBvodyanoj777440 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BB vodyanoj777 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero bets 30, vodyanoj777 calls 30 Turn (100, 2 players) Hero bets 60, vodyanoj777 calls 60 River (220, 2 players) Hero checks, vodyanoj777 bets 60, Hero foldsFinal Pot: 280vodyanoj777 wins 280 ( won +110 )Hero lost -110 If iirc correctly nothing noteworthy happened here, though i was wondering if you thought it was worth firing the third bullet here. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBLe Duc Belge410 SBHero590 Effective Stacks: 10bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is SB Hero calls 20, Le Duc Belge checks Flop (80, 2 players) Le Duc Belge checks, Hero bets 40, Le Duc Belge calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Le Duc Belge checks, Hero checks River (160, 2 players) Le Duc Belge checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 160Le Duc Belge shows a pair of Eights Hero shows Le Duc Belge wins 160 ( won +80 ) Hero lost -80 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero550 SBShaunn1450 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BB Shaunn1 calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero bets 30, Shaunn1 calls 30 Turn (120, 2 players) Hero bets 80, Shaunn1 calls 80 River (280, 2 players) Hero bets 180, Shaunn1 calls 180 Final Pot: 640 Hero shows high card Ace Shaunn1 shows a pair of Queens Shaunn1 wins 640 ( won +320 ) Hero lost -320 in this spot i think i should have fired the second barrel and not the third No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBcyraxis365 BBHero635 Effective Stacks: 9bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is BB cyraxis calls 20, Hero checks Flop (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, cyraxis calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero bets 80, cyraxis calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero bets 320, cyraxis goes all-in 205 Final Pot: 845 In this spot I was intending to triple barrel just because i thought it would be so hard to call down with a 2 or 3 here, and when i hit my 7 i thought i likely had the best hand and just shipped for value, i have no particular reads that villain could turn a 2 or 3 into a bluff if i checked to him here so i think check fold may be the next best option. Tbh these arent the best hands to get a discussion going, am just a stone throw from super nova so volume has become a bit more of a priority last week but better stuff will come.
89: i just give up turn. only thing we can realistically fold out on the turn is 2x. flush draws/QX/straights/KX etc - just way too many hands in his range that can continue. as played, river is def best to c/f.J7: this is a MUCH better spot to barrel! most villains are not c/c flop with TX or any strong draws here. you can rep all of this believably, plus you have equity. i'm barreling off my stack here a ton.83s: again, just give up turn. what are we folding out? K high floats and maybe 5X? it's a dry board that most people aren't floating on (if he is floating, we shouldn't be stabbing air with no equity). if i'm barreling this turn it's going to at least be with some equity i picked up on the turn like bd straight or fd.76: if a line is going to work as a bluff, it's often not the best line to take for value.you barreled turn bc barreling this type of river card was +ev as a bluff, so that means we wouldn't expect to be called by 7X or worse when we jam here very often. since a bluff would be +ev still, i'd just be comfortably c/f here. there aren't any believable missed draw combos in villains range, so he at least has some showdown value. i doubt many villains are turning sd value like 2X into a bluff when checked to here.good questions though. seems like we found a leak, let's keep going with it.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBDonKev77650 BBHero350 Effective Stacks: 9bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is BB DonKev77 calls 20, Hero checks Flop (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, DonKev77 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero bets 80, DonKev77 calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero goes all-in 190, DonKev77 folds Final Pot: 510 Hero wins 510 ( won +160 ) DonKev77 lost -160 You think i should have mayb ebet smaller on the turn? How do you feel about the river bluff being a relatively small % of the pot?
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBdzudo064500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BB dzudo064 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero ... Final Pot: 40 Would def lead here vs relative unknown, how many barrels do you think this is worth depending on how the board turns out. Imo I woudn't be too psyched about a 6-9 or 2 coming off since i expect a flop call to consist of gutters, bottom and second pair and some floats. a 7 and 8 are bad for his pairs and give us a gutshot, overcards are bad for most of his range and im not sure what a 6 to 9 would do to his gutters but my ten high will have decent equity vs most of them. so i guess this would be a good one to barrel?
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero580 SBGILLANATOR420 Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BB GILLANATOR calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, GILLANATOR checks Turn (40, 2 players) Final Pot: 40 Not really sure on this one, in genereal i dont lead king or ace high, i think its a leak beacause i play them like a weak made hand and it just seems illogical that i take all my potshots with hands with worse equity and play passively with stuff with better equity which will mostly fold to pressure.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBspunky111888490 BBHero510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BB spunky111888 calls 10, Hero checksFlop (40, 2 players) Hero bets 20, spunky111888 calls 20Turn (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, spunky111888 foldsFinal Pot: 120Hero wins 120 ( won +40 )spunky111888 lost -40Kind of like the hand with the 962 flop, i think i would normally give up on this turn without equity normally, im not even sure if i like my bet with the turned gutshot tbh. villain was about 40% raise 40% limps with his ranges all over the place, saw him limp ax. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBDonMikki77540 SBHero460 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, DonMikki77 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) DonMikki77 checks, Hero bets 40, DonMikki77 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) DonMikki77 checks, Hero bets 95, DonMikki77 calls 95 River (350, 2 players) DonMikki77 checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 350350 ( won +175 ) This one stood out to me because of the whole if it's good to bluff it's not good to value bet thing you said, i have a big sample vs this guy and is prob the person i have the biggest edge on because he never adjusts, he folds to second or third barrels quite often, always (and i mean ALWAYS) calling the first. Here I thought this would be a good bluff spot and so didnt think there was value aqgainst this particular person though im torn between that and thinkin i likely have the best hand. Against desrcibed opponent you think a bet or check? Would your decision change when lookin at this spot in a vacuum? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBNevr_Played455 BBHero545 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BB Nevr_Played calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero bets 30, Nevr_Played calls 30 Turn (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Nevr_Played checks River (120, 2 players) Hero bets 90, Nevr_Played calls 90 Final Pot: 300 Good spot to give up turn?
62s: definitely smaller on the turn, probably 55-60ish. sets up river stacks well. as played, im still jamming river, only needs to work 37.2% of the time...probably going to work that often.T3: eh, i actually don't like a lead here so much. think about the average players limping range - there are just so many combos that connect to this board, and you are barreling with very little equity. if you are leading T3o here, you are basically leading atc - i think you can come up with plenty of gutshot+ type hands that have decent equity to be leading this board quite frequently.K6: i would lead both K/A high here to protect equity. you can't really c/c either hand, as they both get barreled off super easily. also, when we check we give his total air a free 15% on the turn...no bueno. lead and shut down on most turns imo.T4: very similar to 962...just lots of limping combos are all over this board. i dont think leading atc is good, but i do think leading a wide range of equity is good.J9: ya i think checking is good if that 3rd barrel is going to work so much vs him. nice.92: meh, still such a gross board to being stabbing with no equity. i'd prefer flop to go check/check and then stabbing dry turns maybe. just too many combos that limp connect to this board and you have to give up turns.T4s: this is a lot better. backdoor flush and straight draws and an overcard to 2nd pair. a board texture that can change drastically for the relative hand strength of villains 6X 3X hands - his 2nd/3rd pairs can become 3rd/4th pair with a 7-A turn. this is a much better board to lead atc imo, since it doesnt connect to a limping range as much, we have some equity, and we have plenty of turn/river runouts that we can barrel. sorry for delay on responding. good questions.
What do you think is the best way to adjust to opponents employing a polarised 3b strategy?In the opening levels i get a few people 3betting to t80-90 after they realise I open a lot, I am drawing a bit of a blank on my own opinions on this and am wondering what kind of flat and 4b ranges you would have against these type of opponents.For ex i played a good reg twice who 3b me to 90 twice once with TT once with 46h
I feel my play with my middling hands (9-K) oop may have gone a bit robotic, ever since mers showed the tracker stuff to show that flatting was better than 3betting iv been flatting them for the most part down to 10bb, am i leaking my balls off against some opponent types when i do this? this is even despite his example being with 20bb so i feel this is a leak for sure, some directions oh what type of hh to post to discuss this more would be helpful
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero600 SBColinja8400 Effective Stacks: 13bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BB Colinja8 calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero bets 30, Colinja8 calls 30 Turn (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Colinja8 checks River (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Colinja8 checks This one i was wondering what your barreling plans would be on a j/9 or an A/k. Would i be right in saying without one of these cards (or a ten obv) we are likely giving up here?
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBSiMViT480 SBHero520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, SiMViT calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) SiMViT checks, Hero bets 40, SiMViT calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) SiMViT checks, Hero bets 90, SiMViT calls 90 River (340, 2 players) SiMViT checks, Hero bets 340 not sure about this one especially since i can just ck back and beat all his gutters and no pair FD hands.would you like the line with no SD value?
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero595 BBdiegolosina405 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SB Hero calls 15, diegolosina checks Flop (60, 2 players) diegolosina checks, Hero bets 30, diegolosina calls 30 Turn (120, 2 players) diegolosina checks, Hero bets 60, diegolosina goes all-in 345, Hero calls 285 River (810, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 810 This one is kinda pointless without reads but wondering what u genereal thoughts were on this spot in genereal
What do you think is the best way to adjust to opponents employing a polarised 3b strategy?In the opening levels i get a few people 3betting to t80-90 after they realise I open a lot, I am drawing a bit of a blank on my own opinions on this and am wondering what kind of flat and 4b ranges you would have against these type of opponents.For ex i played a good reg twice who 3b me to 90 twice once with TT once with 46hit's definitely the correct adjustment to a wide opening range.some villains will over-adjust (3betting to t90 at 25ish stacks with around 25%+ of hands), we can then shove all AX/KJ+/some low suited KX (card removal hands basically, the KXs would be against someone 3betting more like 30-40%+). basically when someone is clearly over-adjusting and 3betting us way too wide, we need to expand our 4bet shoving range quite a bit. we can also expand our flatting range vs this opponent: T8o+ 87s+ basically. we just need our call to show better expectation than a fold, and with these type hands realizing equity quite well vs a wide 3betting range that is usually going to be the case.some villains adjust only slightly though, and this is where i think a lot of people get in trouble over-adjusting their flatting and 4bet-shoving ranges. against a villain who was previously 3betting you to t90 with a pure-value range that equated to about 12% of hands (almost all of this range will call a 4bet shove), if he expands his range including a few more bluffs and his range increases to 15-16% - it would be a pretty huge mistake to make the adjustments i mentioned above. i think that seems obvious and simple, but the problem for players is when they catch their opponent 3bet bluffing 64s but then fail to realize the frequency villain is 3bet bluffing is still so low - these players often end up over-adjusting themselves. against a villain who is adjusting gradually, just adjust your ranges gradually - flat slightly wider than your standard, add a few more AX hands to your 4bet shoving range.feel like i'm rambling. does that answer your question?
I feel my play with my middling hands (9-K) oop may have gone a bit robotic, ever since mers showed the tracker stuff to show that flatting was better than 3betting iv been flatting them for the most part down to 10bb, am i leaking my balls off against some opponent types when i do this?this is even despite his example being with 20bb so i feel this is a leak for sure, some directions oh what type of hh to post to discuss this more would be helpfulIf your opponent is opening 60-65%+ or so at <15/16 bb stacks, 3bet shoving >>> flatting. A lot of players don't open that wide at these stack sizes though, giving flatting better expectation. I would just make sure you are paying attention to villain's opening frequency...I'd imagine you are only leaking really hard if you are flatting vs a wide opener.
J9; I would definitely still barrel this turn, and possibly a decent amount of rivers. I expect the average player's flop calling range to be 8X or worse and some draws - i definitely expect QX or big draws to play fast at such short stacks. This means barreling should have good expectation, especially when we are barreling with decent equity with our J9. The turn 4 misses villain's range mostly, aside from 57 - would definitely barrel here and barrel a lot of rivers (2/3/A/K for example).A2: check back river. like you said, you beat missed draws. 7X is definitely a believable part of his range, so is a turned K with the Kh. considering the amount of missed draws, i would probably be barreling this river with air but probably not as a jam since i expect showdown value to call almost always and missed draws to always fold - so risking the max amount with a jam is pretty unnecessary.J9: you are ahead of draws obv, and that's about it. i think though that if someone is going to play their draw fast, it would be on the flop with a lead or a c/r, not with a turn check/shove (especially when you bet a size that a draw could comfortably flat) - don't think the average player does this much at all with the draws on this board. i expect to be behind too often here, feel like a huge nit, and fold.
call minraise with j8ss, flop 997, villain cbets 120 in to 120 with 500eff at beginning of hand.c/shove?
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call minraise with j8ss, flop 997, villain cbets 120 in to 120 with 500eff at beginning of hand.c/shove?
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$50 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero390 BBgavh94610 Effective Stacks: 10bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 20, gavh94 checks Flop (80, 2 players) gavh94 checks, Hero bets 40, gavh94 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) gavh94 checks, Hero bets 100, gavh94 goes all-in 530, Hero goes all-in 210 River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 1000 Was at the end of the session and remember pondering this one for a bit, not sure if turn is a bet call or check (when for the bet call because i was running like god at the time). Im not sure how much i can expect the avg population to c/shove weaker combo draws in this spot.
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I'd fold the J8 unless this was a sizing you've seen him make with air, I think he's pretty much always bet/calling with better.I'm usually raise/folding the 58o if I'm playing it, but there are opponents who it's best to limp against. As played...hmm. I think I'd bet/call. He should have very little Jx and strong 8x are likely to raise flop as well, and while 76/95 make a good deal of sense, that's just too narrow of a range to be that scared of. Grit teeth and bet/call imo.
What criteria would need to be filled to justify folding k rag to a minraise?
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The factors in play:1. How strong the rag is.2. How wide the opening range is.3. How well he plays postflop.4. Stack depth (I suspect 20-35bb is much better to flat than <20bb or >35bb).Readless, 25bb deep, I think K2o-K3o are probably folds and K4o/K5o calls, but my sense of that could be off.
what are your thought on this hand...http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/200-super-turbo-river-spot-1059398/
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I'm calling as well. This opponent will likely jam over with Ax a lot pre, people often pot with their 7x (or raise flop), and nothing else really makes sense. Plenty of missed draws and we only need 30% or so.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$50 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBjagsidhu88450 BBHero550 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB jagsidhu88 raises to 60, Hero calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, jagsidhu88 checks Turn (120, 2 players) Hero bets 100, jagsidhu88 calls 100 River (320, 2 players) Hero checks, jagsidhu88 checks Final Pot: 320 jagsidhu88 shows Hero shows a pair of Tens Hero wins 320 ( won +160 ) jagsidhu88 lost -160 could i have bet foldeed this river say t80?
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$50 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero575 SBAidos425 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB Aidos calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero bets 50, Aidos calls 50 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero bets 120, Aidos calls 120 River (400, 2 players) Hero checks, Aidos bets 135, Hero folds Final Pot: 535 Aidos wins 535 ( won +200 ) Hero lost -200
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$50 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBheltonlinhares510 BBHero490 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB heltonlinhares raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, heltonlinhares bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, heltonlinhares bets 80, Hero calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero checks, heltonlinhares checks Final Pot: 320 heltonlinhares shows Hero shows a flush, Jack high Hero wins 320 ( won +160 ) heltonlinhares lost -160 flat flop given we dont fold out anything we beat?should i have went for c/r turn, my plan was to c/c and donk river but then with the extra spade i guess i decided to just use it as a bluff catcher.
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not really sure the context of these hands but thought i would post a few since i havent made the most of this the second half of this month and its my last day. wont be continuing next month thanks to our friends at ftp, was going to get read only but if its definately going to be made avaiable to husng prem members i will just get it all then.The programme has helped a bunch, had my sickest month by far, just under $10k from 4 tabling 50 supers (got just over 4.5k in), also topped the husng leaderboard but guess I wont be seeing the money from that.one thing i forgot to do that i intended to was discuss shoving over limps, (appropriate times, depths and hand ranges), i'd be interested to see your results of comparing the ev of checking middle hands and v bad hands vs shoving them over limps, but i'm guessing there wont be a large enoguh samples to draw any concrete conclusions. So i guess any comments on that subject would be welcome.Sucks that the fast track is finishing after this month as i would have definately come back after then, if you keep your poker mind sharp despite this 9 to 5 (lol 9 to 5) then it should come back for a one off month down the line me thinks. Thanks for all the tips,Chad.
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if villain is fish who will bet call any pair/draw do we flat jt on 9q2 to a 60 into 80 cbet with startin stacks in a sT or c/shove still
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Pretty odd hand with the T8s - There shouldn't be many better hands in his range, but it's hard to get value. 290 behind. I think we should bet 90 or so, yeah.Again, I really think leading Qx on Q23r is a huge mistake. People will be follow up on their limp here and bet on the dry board with a big percentage of their air. River is a strange spot, but I think I'd call getting such a great price. There's always the WTF factor.I raise flop with T6s. We're doing it for value. We get lots of value from worse draws, and some from some worse value hands. Everything else we're flipping against really. As played, I'd for sure check/raise turn as well. I think I actually prefer leading the turn the best - people will call with a lot of marginal hands that they would check behind.Congrats on the big month!!! Love to hear it.The biggest factor to your JT question is c-bet %. If he has a lot of air in his range, we jam, if he doesn't, we flat.
I don't know if this'll get an answer since we are in july now but figured worth a try :)Shoving a2-a7 over limps; at what depth are you shoving a2 over a limp readless, will you ever 3x oop with weaker aces or is it mostly shove or fold. I only ask becuase noticed a thread on 2p2 where someone 3x A6dd to a limp 23bb deep and it just didnt seem right to me, but thoac said it was fine and hundrye had no comments other than don't check behind.
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Feel free to keep asking questions. "July" will start a little late this month :)A2-A7 over limps is a really interesting question. I think it's actually correct against many opponents just to jam for 20bb - the more you know they never trap, the more it becomes a jam. And it's interesting because regardless, it's not like you're ever getting exploited by jamming - you were jamming over a minraise anyway. But that's never why we take a line, we should do it because it has the best expectation.A6s 23bb deep is very close to a raise and a check behind. I'd raise A7s, but often check back A6s. It's "fine".
bump for ease of finding later,and if mers ir around maybe he can help me with this:What maths would we use to find the distribution of likeilhoods of a specific outcome given a finite sample, for ex say someone raised 4/5 buttons and we are looking to find the likelihood of their pfr being greater than 70% how would we go about this (or just point me in thew direction of the right theory and i'l give it a shot). Thinking in the context of making significant adjustments in the face of small samples.
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hey man. we have a Mers-only thread for any questions you have for him. i will bump it now.
two questions;1- I have a toenail split in the middle horizontally and has half come off, it's a gonner for sure but i'm not sure whether to wait it out or premtively and possibly painfully tear it off now so a new nail can shine, thoughts?2-I never 3bet bluff readless, I don't really like 3bet bluffing that isnt a shove less than 20bb. I normally think it's a waste of time playing a hand sub optimally in order to set up a dynamic that can later be taken advantage of especially in the midstakes when running into the same opponents is less common. I add in a 3b bluff range maybe a couple of games into the same person if they are opening more than 65%ish, otherwise i don't really get out of line. Leak or ok? I feel like this is fine for midstakes but not working on these aspects will bite me in the ass by the time i move up to 100s/200s. I think in genereal I stick to an optimal strategy and dont get fancy, which is what I think should be done readless, but I dont know when to transistion to a fancy one, where im making plays to disguise my range and force a mistake on my opponent instead of taking a faceup line to maximise bb/hand. Could this be a few hands in with the slightest of reads? A few games in? Or from the get go should i have a repertoire of moves which i should pick at random from to see how an opponent responds (an idea i actually hate the thought of tbh but i know some people do).
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2 is a really good question! I've been thinking a lot about that myself.Also, I hope Mers will be able to chime in on your previous question about small sample size, otherwise I'll dig up some Stats formulas and try to come up with something reasonable.I think you can actually come up with pretty decent estimators in just 5 hands, but it would require background probabilities. Perhaps the FastTrack community can work together to mine our data and come up with some population tendencies, and then we can use those to come up with player type estimator formulas that should be quite accurate even with very small sample sizes. Together with some tuned exploitative strategies it could be a systematic approach to transitioning from a static vacuum strategy into a dynamic read dependent maximally exploitative strategy.
^that was a sexy combination of words, but are you implying question 1 wasn't good!? Gonna be a looooooong month. Another thing i used to think about a lot was the the spot to donk readless, i asked about and i got nobody who could give me a concise description of their readless donking strategy, (other than your nugget of donking wet flops with gutshots, the only spot i think warrants it). but i think realised donking kinda shouldnt be done readless (in raised pots) but should likely be one of the first adjustments we make in face of a less than aggressive opponent, for example if i see someone check back any ace high flop or 2-3 dry flops thats me going donk crazy with a value and bluff range, kinda using my perception of spots which i consider mandatory cbets for say 80%+ of villains range to extrapolate that their will be a lot of checking back.Speaking of donks mers is a midonk air in limped pot kinda guy, this is a spot where im not sure how much of a sample i need to start adjusting strategy, 3 calls in a row on dry flops and im lost as to whether to reign it in and give up more spots or to just start unloading the clip (not that im really a fan of running big bluffs in limped pots oop).Also any thoughts on this flat to 3x first hand readless, posted in mers thread too if u think hes better suited to answer with some numbers or stuff.
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Oh cool, you're back :-)Looks like we'll have a very exciting months full of good strategy discussions.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero600 BBprzemekzzz88400 Effective Stacks: 13bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, przemekzzz88 calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) przemekzzz88 checks, Hero bets 60, przemekzzz88 calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) przemekzzz88 checks, Hero checks River (240, 2 players) przemekzzz88 checks, Hero bets 90, przemekzzz88 calls 90 Final Pot: 420 Hero shows two pair, Tens and Fours villain was nit, 5 hands in or so this was his first defend and he hadnt raised hit button once, wasnt sure whether to bet turn or not.
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question 1: It's best to wait and let it grow back. Tearing it off is super high variance and I think overall very -ev. The pain you endure with a poor tear is far greater than the satisfaction you gain from successfully removing it pain-free. It took me a couple days to respond to that question, so I assume you made a decision on your own - results?question 2: Just make +ev plays through the natural progression of the game. I would very rarely worry about "creating an image" - I think playing a certain style or building an image is absolute bull shit and almost always involves players making -ev plays to create style/image. I do not have a style. I make +ev plays, see how my image develops through that, and adjust accordingly. Sometimes I make +ev plays that lead to me having a tight image, I adjust to that. Sometimes more aggro, etc. What you were saying about 3bet bluffing sounds good, and I definitely think it's going to be a big leak to 3bet bluff non-allin readless vs the average opponent at any buyin level really. It requires people opening a wide range, and most do not. It also requires fold equity, and that's uncertain with a lot of players as well. Like you said though, it is important to be "capable" of 3bet bluffing - i.e., understanding how to 3bet bluff optimally when the situation arises. It would be very incorrect to just say "never 3bet bluff" obv. If you are playing someone who has folded to a few of your non-allin 3bets at 25ish stacks, and they are opening a healthy range from the button (65%+), then I think trying some non-ai 3bets down to about 18 bb stacks can be fine. Any shorter and you are commiting yourself with a 3bet and jamming will just do a ton better. Post more questions on this, I feel like I'm only touching the surface of what you are asking :)
Another thing i used to think about a lot was the the spot to donk readless, i asked about and i got nobody who could give me a concise description of their readless donking strategy, (other than your nugget of donking wet flops with gutshots, the only spot i think warrants it). but i think realised donking kinda shouldnt be done readless (in raised pots) but should likely be one of the first adjustments we make in face of a less than aggressive opponent, for example if i see someone check back any ace high flop or 2-3 dry flops thats me going donk crazy with a value and bluff range, kinda using my perception of spots which i consider mandatory cbets for say 80%+ of villains range to extrapolate that their will be a lot of checking back.Not just wet boards with gutshots. Think about how your hand plays if you c/c or c/r and then compare that to donkbetting. I think when you think about more situations this way it should be more clear.QT6hh flop we flatted K3hh oop. 24bb stacks. options: check/call - definitely +ev, we do get barreled off some though. when we hit a lot of villains will be shutting down their value range a ton due to scare card (also the K is a card most villains shut down on too), so it will be hard to get a lot of value. check/raise - marginally +ev to +ev, if villain is cbetting a really wide range this will be our best option since we get value from the fold equity we have with his wide cbetting range. most villains dont cbet this board that wide though, so i dont think this is the best option typically. we will have maybe 40-45% equity vs the typical stacking off range if our c/r get jammed on probably, so not that great.donkbet (and donk/3bet) - best option if villain isnt cbetting really wide. most villains respect a donkbet less than a c/r on a board like this, so the range that continues flatting or raising us we should be doing better against than vs a c/r. if our donkbet gets raised we can comfortably 3bet jam - no awkward turn stack size situations like when our c/r gets flatted. also we take initiative away from villain, his flatting range should be relatively weak on a wet board like this so we will still have some opportunities to barrel off as a bluff unimproved. some other hands that i would donkbet (again, if someone is cbetting really wide on all boards then i think donkbetting is far less relavent): also, depending on stack sizes these can bet donkbet/calls or donkbet/3bets - most of them will be donk/3bets since stacks are short in super turbo and ranges will be wider bc of that, deeper stack games you can bet call some of them more.T9 on 872 86 on 752QJ on 982JThh on 752h (overs+backdoor fd)87 on J94What do you think?
Speaking of donks mers is a midonk air in limped pot kinda guy, this is a spot where im not sure how much of a sample i need to start adjusting strategy, 3 calls in a row on dry flops and im lost as to whether to reign it in and give up more spots or to just start unloading the clip (not that im really a fan of running big bluffs in limped pots oop).Donkbetting and leading are two different plays. Donkbetting is when you call a raise and lead out the following street. Leading/stabbing limped we did not call a raise. Villains will treat these 2 plays very differently because: a) we are taking iniative away from them in a raised pot, and b) they are more committed to a raise pot so will be willing to stack off lighter (think about this in relation to raised pots vs 3bet pots vs 4bet pots, etc). "Not that im really a fan of running big bluffs in limped pots oop"^^Huge leak. Think about it. You don't like running big bluffs in limped pots is the exact same thought process as the average player who doesn't like to stack off wide in limped pots - or feels the need to fight for limped pots. The average player gives up limped pots very easily for this exact thought process - it's why fighting for limped pots is so +ev!Post some hands in limped pots and let's expand from there
is that first hand of a ST facing a 3x? Seems way too wide to me facing the average player's 3x'ing range 25bb deep. Remember when someone risks more to win our bb, we don't have to call as often as we do vs a 2x. Interested to see what Mers says though he's the whiz with that type stuff, but I definitely think it's too wide. I would cut out the K6o 87o K5s type stuff.
AT hand:If it's his first flat oop it's pretty unlikely he has much 4X in his oop range (possibly none). Also would expect a lot of QX to play fast on this board, especially this short. I'm betting turn for value against draws/worse TX and so I'm not giving free equity. I'm assuming ur still ahead of a lot of his range and I expect it to call another bet.
ok so the toenail is still hanging in there and will be free to do so for however long it needs good to hear we are on the same page about 3bet bluffs and i 100% agree with the whole not creating an image aspect.when i referenced donking gutshots on wet flops i was speaking in terms of being absolutely readless, so like first or second hand, as far as spots to donk when opponent has shown a low cbet % even over a small sample I think all are good spots to donk, additionaly I think the 872 and 982 flops would likely be the best to donk bluff with any overcard/straight drawish type hands. I don't know why but I get the feeling that flops 8-J high are best for donk bluffing on.Gonna start marking hands in limped pots oop and post a bunch of them after my next couple of sessions.AT hand i agree with, i think described villain was may more likely to flat draws than i have him credit for in the moment and i like the turn bet more in hindsight
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ah one thing i didnt notice was that one of those donk examples was just overcards, not sure how i feel about that one other than the fact that the clip will have to be unloaded for 3 stsin fact i guess all of these are 3 sts, would you keep unloading if an ace turns? i think i would in the j8x board, the 89x is close for me and the other 3 i would be more inclined to slow down on the ace, mainly based on my perception of which boards are more likely to get an ace high call.
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ya i would barrel most of those situations on an A turn. remember that our 3rd barrel doesn't have to work 100% to be correct. if we're betting like 300 into 280 on river or something it only needs to work 300/580 or about 52% or so. so just make sure you are considering villains full range, it's very unlikely AX makes up even close to enough of their range in any of those situations to make barreling bad. embrace "unloading 3 clips". the reason you are hesitant to unload 3 is the same reason that it works so well - villains hate calling 3 :)
im having this really brain dead moment about whether to barrel 2nd pairs on A high flops, AQ73J, my default line with q5 would probably be bet check bet(?)With KJ i would fire all 3 sts to try and fold out a queen.thoughts?been pretty lax last few days because was galavanting round London eating tasty shit all weekend, will get back on it tomorrow. edit; assume 25bb deep for examples with minraise/40/100/320 bets
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with Q5, i would need to know that villain is calling 2 barrels REALLY light to be barreling for value. bet/check/bet looks good to me. if your opponent respects your bet/check/bet line, i would just bet/check/check as you probably just valuetown yourself with a bet here vs that type. in general, bet/check/bet looks good to me.hmm, i think you are drastically overrating how much you can fold out QX on AQ73J. imo wayyyy too many players call down QX on this board. it's a dangerous board to barrel wide on because their is no change in relative hand strength from street to street. what i mean by that is that QX will likely remain 2nd pair on the turn and river, barring the rare overcard K where you might get some folds from QX bc it has now become 3rd pair. if you trying to fold out villains 6X with barrels on a Q63 board, thats a lot different imo. the chances of 6X going from 2nd pair on the flop, to 3rd or even 4th pair with overcards on the turn/river is pretty high. most players DO NOT think about ranges and they just perceive overcards as scared cards because they change their relative hand strength. hope that makes sense.so i'm a lot less likely to barrel light on AQXXX, a lot more likely on A63XX, and even more likely on 862 J K or something. see?
some barreling spots...i randomly marked these during the days session, unfortunately my reads arent best now that im lookin at them at the end of the day but will make sure to note them at same time too in future.. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero560 SBvodyanoj777440 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB vodyanoj777 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero bets 30, vodyanoj777 calls 30 Turn (100, 2 players) Hero bets 60, vodyanoj777 calls 60 River (220, 2 players) Hero checks, vodyanoj777 bets 60, Hero folds Final Pot: 280 vodyanoj777 wins 280 ( won +110 ) Hero lost -110 If iirc correctly nothing noteworthy happened here, though i was wondering if you thought it was worth firing the third bullet here. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBLe Duc Belge410 SBHero590 Effective Stacks: 10bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 20, Le Duc Belge checks Flop (80, 2 players) Le Duc Belge checks, Hero bets 40, Le Duc Belge calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Le Duc Belge checks, Hero checks River (160, 2 players) Le Duc Belge checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 160 Le Duc Belge shows a pair of Eights Hero shows Le Duc Belge wins 160 ( won +80 ) Hero lost -80 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero550 SBShaunn1450 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB Shaunn1 calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero bets 30, Shaunn1 calls 30 Turn (120, 2 players) Hero bets 80, Shaunn1 calls 80 River (280, 2 players) Hero bets 180, Shaunn1 calls 180 Final Pot: 640 Hero shows high card Ace Shaunn1 shows a pair of Queens Shaunn1 wins 640 ( won +320 ) Hero lost -320 in this spot i think i should have fired the second barrel and not the third No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBcyraxis365 BBHero635 Effective Stacks: 9bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB cyraxis calls 20, Hero checks Flop (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, cyraxis calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero bets 80, cyraxis calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero bets 320, cyraxis goes all-in 205 Final Pot: 845 In this spot I was intending to triple barrel just because i thought it would be so hard to call down with a 2 or 3 here, and when i hit my 7 i thought i likely had the best hand and just shipped for value, i have no particular reads that villain could turn a 2 or 3 into a bluff if i checked to him here so i think check fold may be the next best option. Tbh these arent the best hands to get a discussion going, am just a stone throw from super nova so volume has become a bit more of a priority last week but better stuff will come.
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89: i just give up turn. only thing we can realistically fold out on the turn is 2x. flush draws/QX/straights/KX etc - just way too many hands in his range that can continue. as played, river is def best to c/f.J7: this is a MUCH better spot to barrel! most villains are not c/c flop with TX or any strong draws here. you can rep all of this believably, plus you have equity. i'm barreling off my stack here a ton.83s: again, just give up turn. what are we folding out? K high floats and maybe 5X? it's a dry board that most people aren't floating on (if he is floating, we shouldn't be stabbing air with no equity). if i'm barreling this turn it's going to at least be with some equity i picked up on the turn like bd straight or fd.76: if a line is going to work as a bluff, it's often not the best line to take for value.you barreled turn bc barreling this type of river card was +ev as a bluff, so that means we wouldn't expect to be called by 7X or worse when we jam here very often. since a bluff would be +ev still, i'd just be comfortably c/f here. there aren't any believable missed draw combos in villains range, so he at least has some showdown value. i doubt many villains are turning sd value like 2X into a bluff when checked to here.good questions though. seems like we found a leak, let's keep going with it.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBDonKev77650 BBHero350 Effective Stacks: 9bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB DonKev77 calls 20, Hero checks Flop (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, DonKev77 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero bets 80, DonKev77 calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero goes all-in 190, DonKev77 folds Final Pot: 510 Hero wins 510 ( won +160 ) DonKev77 lost -160 You think i should have mayb ebet smaller on the turn? How do you feel about the river bluff being a relatively small % of the pot?
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBdzudo064500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB dzudo064 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero ... Final Pot: 40 Would def lead here vs relative unknown, how many barrels do you think this is worth depending on how the board turns out. Imo I woudn't be too psyched about a 6-9 or 2 coming off since i expect a flop call to consist of gutters, bottom and second pair and some floats. a 7 and 8 are bad for his pairs and give us a gutshot, overcards are bad for most of his range and im not sure what a 6 to 9 would do to his gutters but my ten high will have decent equity vs most of them. so i guess this would be a good one to barrel?
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero580 SBGILLANATOR420 Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB GILLANATOR calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, GILLANATOR checks Turn (40, 2 players) Final Pot: 40 Not really sure on this one, in genereal i dont lead king or ace high, i think its a leak beacause i play them like a weak made hand and it just seems illogical that i take all my potshots with hands with worse equity and play passively with stuff with better equity which will mostly fold to pressure.
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBspunky111888490 BBHero510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB spunky111888 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero bets 20, spunky111888 calls 20Turn (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, spunky111888 folds Final Pot: 120 Hero wins 120 ( won +40 ) spunky111888 lost -40Kind of like the hand with the 962 flop, i think i would normally give up on this turn without equity normally, im not even sure if i like my bet with the turned gutshot tbh. villain was about 40% raise 40% limps with his ranges all over the place, saw him limp ax. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBDonMikki77540 SBHero460 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, DonMikki77 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) DonMikki77 checks, Hero bets 40, DonMikki77 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) DonMikki77 checks, Hero bets 95, DonMikki77 calls 95 River (350, 2 players) DonMikki77 checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 350 350 ( won +175 ) This one stood out to me because of the whole if it's good to bluff it's not good to value bet thing you said, i have a big sample vs this guy and is prob the person i have the biggest edge on because he never adjusts, he folds to second or third barrels quite often, always (and i mean ALWAYS) calling the first. Here I thought this would be a good bluff spot and so didnt think there was value aqgainst this particular person though im torn between that and thinkin i likely have the best hand. Against desrcibed opponent you think a bet or check? Would your decision change when lookin at this spot in a vacuum? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBNevr_Played455 BBHero545 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB Nevr_Played calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero bets 30, Nevr_Played calls 30 Turn (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Nevr_Played checks River (120, 2 players) Hero bets 90, Nevr_Played calls 90 Final Pot: 300 Good spot to give up turn?
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero510 SBbabozi66490 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB babozi66 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero bets 20, babozi66 calls 20 Turn (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, babozi66 calls 40 River (160, 2 players) Hero bets 100
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4 days an no posts :(thought it would be a bit more regular like last time so there could be more back and forth
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62s: definitely smaller on the turn, probably 55-60ish. sets up river stacks well. as played, im still jamming river, only needs to work 37.2% of the time...probably going to work that often.T3: eh, i actually don't like a lead here so much. think about the average players limping range - there are just so many combos that connect to this board, and you are barreling with very little equity. if you are leading T3o here, you are basically leading atc - i think you can come up with plenty of gutshot+ type hands that have decent equity to be leading this board quite frequently.K6: i would lead both K/A high here to protect equity. you can't really c/c either hand, as they both get barreled off super easily. also, when we check we give his total air a free 15% on the turn...no bueno. lead and shut down on most turns imo.T4: very similar to 962...just lots of limping combos are all over this board. i dont think leading atc is good, but i do think leading a wide range of equity is good.J9: ya i think checking is good if that 3rd barrel is going to work so much vs him. nice.92: meh, still such a gross board to being stabbing with no equity. i'd prefer flop to go check/check and then stabbing dry turns maybe. just too many combos that limp connect to this board and you have to give up turns.T4s: this is a lot better. backdoor flush and straight draws and an overcard to 2nd pair. a board texture that can change drastically for the relative hand strength of villains 6X 3X hands - his 2nd/3rd pairs can become 3rd/4th pair with a 7-A turn. this is a much better board to lead atc imo, since it doesnt connect to a limping range as much, we have some equity, and we have plenty of turn/river runouts that we can barrel. sorry for delay on responding. good questions.
What do you think is the best way to adjust to opponents employing a polarised 3b strategy?In the opening levels i get a few people 3betting to t80-90 after they realise I open a lot, I am drawing a bit of a blank on my own opinions on this and am wondering what kind of flat and 4b ranges you would have against these type of opponents.For ex i played a good reg twice who 3b me to 90 twice once with TT once with 46h
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I feel my play with my middling hands (9-K) oop may have gone a bit robotic, ever since mers showed the tracker stuff to show that flatting was better than 3betting iv been flatting them for the most part down to 10bb, am i leaking my balls off against some opponent types when i do this? this is even despite his example being with 20bb so i feel this is a leak for sure, some directions oh what type of hh to post to discuss this more would be helpful
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero600 SBColinja8400 Effective Stacks: 13bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB Colinja8 calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero bets 30, Colinja8 calls 30 Turn (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Colinja8 checks River (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Colinja8 checks This one i was wondering what your barreling plans would be on a j/9 or an A/k. Would i be right in saying without one of these cards (or a ten obv) we are likely giving up here?
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBSiMViT480 SBHero520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, SiMViT calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) SiMViT checks, Hero bets 40, SiMViT calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) SiMViT checks, Hero bets 90, SiMViT calls 90 River (340, 2 players) SiMViT checks, Hero bets 340 not sure about this one especially since i can just ck back and beat all his gutters and no pair FD hands.would you like the line with no SD value?
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero595 BBdiegolosina405 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, diegolosina checks Flop (60, 2 players) diegolosina checks, Hero bets 30, diegolosina calls 30 Turn (120, 2 players) diegolosina checks, Hero bets 60, diegolosina goes all-in 345, Hero calls 285 River (810, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 810 This one is kinda pointless without reads but wondering what u genereal thoughts were on this spot in genereal
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What do you think is the best way to adjust to opponents employing a polarised 3b strategy?In the opening levels i get a few people 3betting to t80-90 after they realise I open a lot, I am drawing a bit of a blank on my own opinions on this and am wondering what kind of flat and 4b ranges you would have against these type of opponents.For ex i played a good reg twice who 3b me to 90 twice once with TT once with 46hit's definitely the correct adjustment to a wide opening range.some villains will over-adjust (3betting to t90 at 25ish stacks with around 25%+ of hands), we can then shove all AX/KJ+/some low suited KX (card removal hands basically, the KXs would be against someone 3betting more like 30-40%+). basically when someone is clearly over-adjusting and 3betting us way too wide, we need to expand our 4bet shoving range quite a bit. we can also expand our flatting range vs this opponent: T8o+ 87s+ basically. we just need our call to show better expectation than a fold, and with these type hands realizing equity quite well vs a wide 3betting range that is usually going to be the case.some villains adjust only slightly though, and this is where i think a lot of people get in trouble over-adjusting their flatting and 4bet-shoving ranges. against a villain who was previously 3betting you to t90 with a pure-value range that equated to about 12% of hands (almost all of this range will call a 4bet shove), if he expands his range including a few more bluffs and his range increases to 15-16% - it would be a pretty huge mistake to make the adjustments i mentioned above. i think that seems obvious and simple, but the problem for players is when they catch their opponent 3bet bluffing 64s but then fail to realize the frequency villain is 3bet bluffing is still so low - these players often end up over-adjusting themselves. against a villain who is adjusting gradually, just adjust your ranges gradually - flat slightly wider than your standard, add a few more AX hands to your 4bet shoving range.feel like i'm rambling. does that answer your question?
I feel my play with my middling hands (9-K) oop may have gone a bit robotic, ever since mers showed the tracker stuff to show that flatting was better than 3betting iv been flatting them for the most part down to 10bb, am i leaking my balls off against some opponent types when i do this? this is even despite his example being with 20bb so i feel this is a leak for sure, some directions oh what type of hh to post to discuss this more would be helpfulIf your opponent is opening 60-65%+ or so at <15/16 bb stacks, 3bet shoving >>> flatting. A lot of players don't open that wide at these stack sizes though, giving flatting better expectation. I would just make sure you are paying attention to villain's opening frequency...I'd imagine you are only leaking really hard if you are flatting vs a wide opener.
J9; I would definitely still barrel this turn, and possibly a decent amount of rivers. I expect the average player's flop calling range to be 8X or worse and some draws - i definitely expect QX or big draws to play fast at such short stacks. This means barreling should have good expectation, especially when we are barreling with decent equity with our J9. The turn 4 misses villain's range mostly, aside from 57 - would definitely barrel here and barrel a lot of rivers (2/3/A/K for example).A2: check back river. like you said, you beat missed draws. 7X is definitely a believable part of his range, so is a turned K with the Kh. considering the amount of missed draws, i would probably be barreling this river with air but probably not as a jam since i expect showdown value to call almost always and missed draws to always fold - so risking the max amount with a jam is pretty unnecessary.J9: you are ahead of draws obv, and that's about it. i think though that if someone is going to play their draw fast, it would be on the flop with a lead or a c/r, not with a turn check/shove (especially when you bet a size that a draw could comfortably flat) - don't think the average player does this much at all with the draws on this board. i expect to be behind too often here, feel like a huge nit, and fold.
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