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I donkbet and 3bet over a

I donkbet and 3bet over a raise here. I think it has better expectation than a c/r, doesn't allow villain to check back a wet board he might not cbet a lot.I think A8/K8 are both ok to c/r and get in, but probably pretty marginal and def the bottom of my range if I'm going to play it that way.I'm donking a good amount of hands here though: overs+diamonds (QJdd), some gutshot stuff K5/A7, over+fd (A2hh), A8/K8, gutshot+fd, 97, gutshots....def a lot of hands.check/raising some hands like this: 2 overs + fd, 2pair+check/calling: combo draw stuff and single pair hands -- 87/54/Q8/89/A6 etcI expect the vast majority of peoples strong value/high equity hands to play really fast on low/connected boards like this, so my donkbetting range should have pretty great expectation. Pretty easy to barrel when flatted by a relatively weak range, the donk/3betting hands in my range play well (and likely better than as a c/r).Most of the hands in my donking range don't really take away from the strength of my c/c or c/r ranges either...it actually strengthens my c/c range a bit. I don't think it matters if my c/r frequency is decreased because most people will stack off with a good amount of hands vs a c/r on a board like this...so a strong narrow range is going to do fine. Can slightly adjust these ranges a bit as dynamic develops and villain starts to adjust (put a few stronger hands into donking range, donk a slightly tighter range that can bet/3bet more frequently, donk even wider if villain is playing super transparent/nitty, etc).In conclusion...I just think having a donking range on boards like this is super-important and typically the most +ev line with a lot of different hands. I don't even think u need to know exactly how villain responds, since imo it works fine vs the population tendancy on these type of boards.Hope that helps.hokie

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bottom set gets c/r

Only read I had from a previous match was that he barrelled 3 streets with AA on an 87662 board.  In hindsight, I think I should have 3bet him a lot bigger, but I wanted to give him the illusion of fold-equity. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBJSMDARKMOS1420  SBHero1580  Effective Stacks: 71bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, JSMDARKMOS calls 20   Flop (80, 2 players) JSMDARKMOS checks, Hero bets 40, JSMDARKMOS raises to 120, Hero raises to 280, JSMDARKMOS calls 160   Turn (640, 2 players) JSMDARKMOS checks, Hero bets 320, JSMDARKMOS goes all-in 1100, Hero calls 780   River (2840, 2 players, 1 all-in)   Final Pot: 2840 


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Couple of hands against fish

I played this guy a few times before, so I had some reads.mindonk-3bets with 42o on K43-rb, then bet/calls turn 2
mindonk and c/mr weak, but he seems to look me up anyways whenI come over the top
1/2 ps for value ?
pots river with air
flats ATo, then c/mr on Q8x, chks turn and river
donk/folds 90/120 on 763hh
 Also have some stats on the guy:489 hands, VP$IP 66%, folded BB to steal 22%, fold to flop bet 30%.Even with that read that a psb otr is weak, maybe looking him up with K-high was a bit too light ... ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBpalllle1350  SBHero1650  Effective Stacks: 68bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, palllle calls 20    Flop (80, 2 players) palllle checks, Hero bets 40, palllle calls 40    Turn (160, 2 players) palllle checks, Hero checks    River (160, 2 players) palllle bets 160, Hero calls 160    Final Pot: 480


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Same fish

I think I should have 3bet this otf, but was really afraid of him coming over the top and didn't feel my hand was good enough to gii ?Once he checks ott, should I bet/fold or is checking back and getting some thin value otr ok ?  Unfortunately, the board ran out that ugly that I was afraid he wouldn't call me with anything worse, so I checked it back otr.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBpalllle1500  SBHero1500  Effective Stacks: 50bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, palllle calls 30   Flop (120, 2 players) palllle checks, Hero bets 60, palllle raises to 120, Hero calls 60   Turn (360, 2 players) palllle checks, Hero checks   River (360, 2 players) palllle checks, Hero checks   Final Pot: 360 


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Getting some thin value with 2nd pair

Since this guy wasn't folding to my cbets very much, I decided to check back otf and get some thin value on later streets.Should I have bet bigger ott for value and maybe use a smaller sizing otr ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBpalllle830  SBHero2170  Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 80, palllle calls 40    Flop (160, 2 players) palllle checks, Hero checks    Turn (160, 2 players) palllle checks, Hero bets 80, palllle calls 80    River (320, 2 players) palllle checks, Hero bets 160, palllle folds    Final Pot: 480


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Aggro maniac donkey

This guy here was a complete donkey, but he ran like god against me and I dropped 4 buy-ins against him, always getting it in against the top of his range.Reads:min3bets ATo, then chkdown on Q7893
3x'es @ 20/40 with 33, flats my c/r, then chks back 95T-rb,
flats committing turn bet on 6 and chks back 5
flats 5Q5-rb with 73-npnd, turn 3 chk chk, then he flats 6-river
limps JJd, then chks down QT4dd, turn 6d, flats river 5d (J-high 4-flush)
flats my 3bet with A9s, then flats AATdd, flats turn
c/c 444 with Q7o, then donks turn J and chks river T
flats my lead on Q34-rb, then mr/calls pot-committing on Q and
folds 2-river for 378/1804
c/mr on 864cc and folds to jam
limps trash, then flats my flop lead with 5-high npnd
callsdown super light in limped pot
flats 3bets super light
mr AKs, then minraise/calls my flop lead on 578, flats turn 8 and
my river jam on A
cbets J35 with J7, then raises my turn lead on A, I come ovt for
committing size, he flats and goes broke on blank river
min3bets 33, flats my 4bet, then flats JJ5 and broke on 9-turn
3bets normal size with QQ
overbet-jams river with air several times and showed his bluffs
does not c/r trips with decent kicker
min3bets Q5s, then pots A68, bets turn Q and jams river 5
he had 9% c/r over 260 hands, then he c/r A74hh with K3o,
flats my pot-committing 3bet and gii on turn 3
Cliffs:He's very spewy crazy, likes to flat highly committing bets, does not fold to 3bets (neither pre-flop nor post-flop), big bets are air / super weak Stats:273 hands, VP$IP from SB 76%, VP$IP 64%, PFR 37%Some key hands:No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1210  SBrobertotb1790  Effective Stacks: 30bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB robertotb raises to 80, Hero raises to 240, robertotb calls 160    Flop (480, 2 players) Hero bets 240, robertotb calls 240    Turn (960, 2 players) Hero goes all-in 730, robertotb calls 730    River (2420, 2 players, 1 all-in)    Final Pot: 2420


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Look him up with K-high when he overbet-jams otr ?

After he's already done this a few times before and always shown me his bluffs, should I look him up here ?I really felt like he was FOS, but then again didn't want to make a fool out of my self by calling a jam with King High.  So maybe that's a fold ?What's my calling range here ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBrobertotb1245  SBHero1755  Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 100, robertotb calls 50   Flop (200, 2 players) robertotb checks, Hero bets 100, robertotb calls 100   Turn (400, 2 players) robertotb checks, Hero checks   River (400, 2 players) robertotb goes all-in 1045, Hero folds   Final Pot: 1445 robertotb shows a pair of Fours robertotb wins 1445 ( won +200 ) Hero lost -200 


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Getting c/r with TP -> I trust my read that he's spewy

Ok, so this guy had a 9% c/r over 250+ hands so far, but he also trapped me before with trips (called down 3 streets with JQ on a JxJyQ board, I bet 3 streets with a weaker Jx).I suppose I should ignore his c/r percentage here and trust my read that he's very spewy and big bets are super weak ?Since he literaly did not fold to any of my post-flop 3-bets so far, I decided to come over the top.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1920  BBrobertotb1080  Effective Stacks: 36bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, robertotb calls 30   Flop (120, 2 players) robertotb checks, Hero bets 99, robertotb raises to 198, Hero raises to 559, robertotb calls 361   Turn (1238, 2 players) robertotb checks, Hero goes all-in 1301, robertotb goes all-in 461   River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Final Pot: 3000 


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Non-All-In All-In Bets

Btw. Mers, I am experiencing a bit with these "Non-All-In All-In Bets" - is that a good thing to do or should I just jam ?


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A-high against aggro maniac

This guy really gave me some headaches.  I had an older note that he likes to slowplay - but tonight, he went completely monkeyshit on me.This session, he didn't fold anthing oop - either he 3bet me or he flatted and donked flop.  I already raised his donk before, where he also came over the top like here, also to this size.  So I was thinking he's FOS here.Ok, or is this too light ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1795  BBZufa7771205  Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 100, Zufa777 calls 50   Flop (200, 2 players) Zufa777 bets 100, Hero raises to 300, Zufa777 raises to 500, Hero goes all-in 1695, Zufa777 goes all-in 605   Turn (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Final Pot: 3000 


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Getting max value with the nuts.

Same guy.When he was IP, he barreled 3 streets with complete air a ton.  So I'm wondering how to get max value with the nuts.Give him a rope to let him hang himself or check/jam ott ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1490  SBZufa7771510  Effective Stacks: 75bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Zufa777 raises to 60, Hero calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Zufa777 bets 100, Hero calls 100 Turn (320, 2 players) Hero checks, Zufa777 bets 240, Hero calls 240 River (800, 2 players) Hero checks, Zufa777 checks Final Pot: 800


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Dinner time - and the single-tabling experience :-)

I hope I didn't post too much today (if I did, please let me know!).Tried something new today:I played 40 games and single-tabled the entire day - took me from 9am this morning till now (it's 9pm), but I took a lot of breaks, basically each time some opponent didn't want to rematch me anymore.  Then I went outside into the garden and played a bit with the dog before sitting another lobby.And I'm really amazed how much more I could focus on my opponents!I'm up $252 for the day, PT3 says that's an ROI of 10.53 - but I'm also running aa little bit above equity (it's actually only 20bb, but ~6k chips).However, I'm actually feeling really good about the single-tabling experience - and if I can achieve an ROI of maybe 4-5% long-term with that, then it certainly won't hurt my hourly.  I always had the impression that I'm making a lot less money per hour by just single-tabling - but maybe I was wrong about that, and the higher ROI compensates it ?


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Raise/call looks good with

Raise/call looks good with A8, I'd actually make it bigger on the flop against most.I think your flop size is fine especially in the absence of a flush draw on the 33 hand, and would play it close to the same way.I think the king high call is OK there, but one thing you left out is how you think he would play his Jx. If he check/calls it on the flop, I would fold river for sure.Definitely just call the flop with QQ. I'd bet the turn, though, I think there's a lot of value to be had. Checking the river looks good once the four to a straight comes.I think this is a common fallacy a lot of people have with the QT. I'd still c-bet. You say he's not folding to c-bets a lot - so what is he calling with? If his expanded call a cbet range is hands weaker than QT, then that's a reason to c-bet! For value! I'm definitely betting turn and river as played, though, we have the best hand the vast majority of the time.99 hand is perfectly fine, although I'd usually make it even more pre against this type of player.I'm definitely folding the AT, it's going to be 4x a good amount when the middle card pairs after he c/c flop.AJ hand perfectly standard.As for non-allin bets that are basically everything, I don't really know, they are not going to be much different mathematically, I usually just jam.If you're c/r A9 here, it's because you're inducing a jam. I need pretty big reads to do this and would almost always just c/c flop.Given that read, trapping with A7hh is OK, but I'd usually raise flop or turn.

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By the way, I noticed on 2+2

By the way, I noticed on 2+2 that you were talking about 3betting hands like 97s. Your logic works really well when shorter stacked - flatting has such good expectation, and it's tough to beat that. But the deeper we get, the better it becomes to 3bet with suited connectors - they are hands that cash players love to 3bet, for example, because we're still pretty deep even when we get called, which leads to a lot of good implied odds opportunities with our speculative hand.

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End of May

So there we are, at the end of May - and it has been a very good month for me.Here are some graphs:Total Winnings: Winnings by Chips: Winnings by BB: All in all, I played 400 games at the $60 in the last two weeks of this month with $1k total winnings / ROI 4.26%.And if you add "rakeback", I made 10.744 VPPs this month - that's ~27k FPPs or about $350 - and a little bit more if I save them till I'm SuperNova later this year.I'm very happy with my results so far and am also feeling much more confident in my game at the moment than I was at the beginning of the month.I also did some single-tabling this month, and it really increased my ROI significantly.  Therefor, I'll single-tabling the $100's in June and do some normal 2-table grinding at the $60.  However, since I'm currently using such a nitty BRM, I'm not sure how much I can play at the $100's yet - I basically want to have at least $5k for that.


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Good stuff, congrats!!!

Good stuff, congrats!!!

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QJ - turned two pair on dangerous board

This guy was mostly passive, with tricky / trappy tendencies.What's my plan ott ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBflacojma1500  BBHero1500  Effective Stacks: 75bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB flacojma raises to 40, Hero calls 20   Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, flacojma bets 40, Hero raises to 120, flacojma calls 80   Turn (320, 2 players) Hero bets 190, flacojma calls 190   River (700, 2 players) Hero checks, flacojma bets 400, Hero folds   Final Pot: 1100 


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T9 - TP in limped pot

Random fish, early in the game: No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBstephan22051500  BBHero1500  Effective Stacks: 75bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB stephan2205 calls 10, Hero checks   Flop (40, 2 players) Hero bets 30, stephan2205 raises to 60, Hero raises to 140, stephan2205 calls 80   Turn (320, 2 players) Hero bets 160, stephan2205 calls 160   River (640, 2 players) Hero checks, stephan2205 bets 200, Hero calls 200   Final Pot: 1040 


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66 - weak overpair

Too passive otf ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBnadnadnad691470  BBHero1530  Effective Stacks: 74bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB nadnadnad69 raises to 40, Hero calls 20   Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, nadnadnad69 bets 60, Hero calls 60   Turn (200, 2 players) Hero checks, nadnadnad69 bets 120, Hero calls 120   River (440, 2 players) Hero checks, nadnadnad69 bets 320, Hero calls 320   Final Pot: 1080 


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KQ in rrp

Loose-passive fish, didn't fold to any of my 3bets so far.My normal 3betting size at this blind level is 250, but I made it a little bit bigger with a value hand against this fish.On the turn, I was seriously thinking openfold for a moment - if I check here and he jams, then he always has it ??? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1850  SBDAWARLIEBIRD1150  Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is BB DAWARLIEBIRD raises to 100, Hero raises to 300, DAWARLIEBIRD calls 200   Flop (600, 2 players) Hero bets 300, DAWARLIEBIRD calls 300   Turn (1200, 2 players) Hero goes all-in 1250, DAWARLIEBIRD goes all-in 550   River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Final Pot: 3000 


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turned weak two pair

Ok, I really, really suck at these spots - I know that his line is super strong, but I turned two pair here.Can I really just bet/fold here ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBCurdCokane1520  SBHero1480  Effective Stacks: 74bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, CurdCokane calls 20   Flop (80, 2 players) CurdCokane checks, Hero bets 40, CurdCokane calls 40   Turn (160, 2 players) CurdCokane checks, Hero bets 80, CurdCokane raises to 260, Hero raises to 580, CurdCokane goes all-in 1440, Hero goes all-in 820   River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Final Pot: 3000 


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I think I'd bet/fold the

I think I'd bet/fold the river with the QJ. The board hasn't come great, but I still think we have the best hand the majority of the time and can get value. Passive players are also far less likely to bluffraise a small bet on this board.I'm actually just calling the flat overbet with T9. River is a gross spot and based purely on how much WTF factor is in his range, which with random fish, always makes it possible.Interesting to me that you don't c/r the 66 given your T9 c/r. I'd c/r. As played, calling down is fine.It feels a little weird, but flatting the turn c/r to this size is probably going to be best. Yeah, we have two pair, but we basically have AK here, and I think your instinct would be to flat that hand. 39 reduces his combos of two pair and increases his combos of Kx, but I think call/call works better to get more value out of his air and not lose as much against his big hands.

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I missed the KQ. Pre sizing

I missed the KQ. Pre sizing is good (imo, others would disagree), flop sizing is fine (smaller can be OK), can't love the middle card pairing but we're so short you definitely have to call to get value from draws and bottom pair/worse Kx.

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Heh, I have no idea what you

Heh, I have no idea what you just did - but whatever it was, thanks a lot !It basically turned the doomswitch around and made my EV line go up again instead of just straight down :-)Looks like volume actually does beat variance !  This was such a horrible weekend poker-wise - but after playing 50 games each on Friday, Saturday and today, it's all ok again and I was able to maintain my ~4% ROI over another ~200 games.


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Non-Showdown Winnings

Btw. I played almost exclusively bad fish the last couple of days and realized that my non-showdown winnings are going straight down - it's like if I'm bleeding chips in non-showdown pots and I've no idea how this happens.However, my showdown winnings are ok - is this something to worry about or it it simply because fish go to showdown more often and you can't really effectively bluff them ?


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Regarding the QJ, maybe I

Regarding the QJ, maybe I shouldn't be too obsessed with my non-showdown winnings because I was feeling that it'd really suck to fold here after already investigating so many chips, so better try to see a cheap showdown and if he bets, then I'm beat anyways.Regarding the T9 vs. 66 - I usually don't give people too much credit when I have top pair in a limped pot and even after he raises my lead, I still feel like he can do that with all tons of junk and there's a decent chance that I still have the best hand here, so I want to get a little bit more value.  And with the 66, I'm too afraid of him having an overpair or something like that and have no idea what to do when he comes over the top.Is that a mistake ?And I really should have folded that 93 to that passive fish - you're right, we basically have AK here, even if it's hard to admit that.


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I wouldn't pay too much

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the non-showdown and showdown lines over small samples - there's really no reason why if you were bleeding chips yesterday, but you wouldn't be bleeding chips in general. Against different opponent types your lines will look very different. I dont' think the lines are actually even that important to look at, in general - your style will dictate a lot of it, but it is something for losing players to look at.

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Oops, sorry, I misread the T9

Oops, sorry, I misread the T9 hand - I thought he just overbet flop. Definitely call a flop minraise, of course. But yeah, I do much prefer calling to re-raising. If he has junk, there's no reason to re-raise: Just call and let him spew, rather than folding it out.

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Yeah, volume is great, but it

Yeah, volume is great, but it does strange things to a player sometimes. Sorry about the meh stretch :(

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That's a terrible situation,

That's a terrible situation, I'm also sorry to hear that.If you need anything from me as well, don't hesitate to PM me.When in these terribly emotional situations, we can sometimes lose sight of some potential solutions, so it might help if you talk to somebody in more detail about your situation and see if they have any insight or ideas as to how you can resolve this in a decent manner.

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Hey, thanks a lot ! Well, at

Hey, thanks a lot !

Well, at the moment I'm just totally frustrated, drunk and hoping that things may somehow turn out well. Maybe I can tell my parents that I was just bored and frustrated after getting layed off in my previous job and that this gambling was just some temporary thing or something like that. But maybe that's just some drunk hope.

The only good news is that they don't know my SN - they may guess based on me being a big Stargate fan, but they don't know - and I really don't wanna change that. I really don't want my

parents to read what I post here or on 2+2. To make matters worse, I didn't really win that much at all before I joined fast track and decided to take it more seriously. How could I explain my parents that I lost some money, then mostly ran break-.even - and now all of the sudden I'm a big winner?

They'd just say it's pure luck and I'll eventually lose it all again. And my dad is already mad because I want to wait till August for my former boss to hire me at his new company instead of actively searching for anothwr job right now.


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mersenneary's picture
Yeah, let's talk about it

Yeah, let's talk about it more. Really shitty situation :(

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Goodbye S.G.U

So that was it - just watched the very last episode of Stargate Universe.SPOILER WARNINGDon't read below if you haven't already watched Stargate Universe till the end. SPOILER WARNING  Very sad that the show was cancelled, but also liked the end very much - Eli, the computer nerd from the pilot, now the super hero in the end.Well, the really interesting question is - assuming we know all that happened - Destiny or Novus ?

  • Destiny: You spend the next 3+ years of your life in a stasis chamber on an alien spaceship - without any guarantee whether you'll actually reach the next galaxy alife or not.  If you do survive the trip, then nothing is know about your future - you may eventually be able to return to earth somehow, though it's very unlikely.
  • Novus: You spend the rest of your life on an uninhabited planet in some other galaxy - with the same 200-something people that you'd otherwise stay on Destiny with.  You'll have a family, kinds and create a civilization that will last at least thousand years.  Unfortunately, after a few thousand years, the planet will be destroyed - some will survice, but with uncertain future due to some alien threat in the galaxy that may cause total extinction.

So these are the two options.In the series, there was this time-travel episode, which caused the ship and everyone on it to exist twice - and one version ended up a few thousand years in the past, but they had to give up the ship, so they settled on a planet and built a civilization.Hmm, if I had to make the choice today - being guaranteed to have a great life, a family, kinds, building a civilization - but knowing that civilaztion may come to extinsion in a few thousand years.  Or I stay on an alien space ship, hope to reach the next galaxy, maybe learn the last secrets of the universe ...Well, the first option may sound very tempting - but if I stay on the ship, there's still enough time to settle on some planet later - or even return back to Earth.So yeah, I think Destiny would be my choice.Trying to deal with my own family situation tomorrow - I took a break from everything today, went to town, watched a movie and came back just in time for the series finale.


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omggg why the spoilers bro

omggg why the spoilers bro wtf! :( i pmd u concerning SG btw on 2p2 lol

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Ooops, sorry about the

Ooops, sorry about the spoilers.  Adding a warning.


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Yeah, both Atlantis and

Yeah, both Atlantis and Universe are great - but I liked Universe a lot better.  So sad that everything got cancelled and they're also not doing any of the movies.Btw. this forum lacks a [SPOILER] function.Anyways, 4:30 am, time to sleep, wanna talk to my parents tomorrow


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Dialing the 9th chevron

Called my mom this morning and we talked this through.  She's kinda ok now with me still playing, but doesn't want me to stare at the computer screen all afternoon long - so I suppose I'll have to single-table and get up after each match or something like that.Still not optimal, but a compromise that I can live with.


JackTheShipper's picture
ive quickly read through ur

ive quickly read through ur posts jack and i can definately relate, my parents are also very much against poker, so much even, that i ended up moving outside of the house, because of constant fights now, correct me if im wrong, but cant you tell em youve quit, or play very occassional for rediculou slow stakes ? or do u live with ur parents (i thought i read u didnt, but im very tired so i can definately be mistaken) i ended up moving out with my poker money last december, paid rent in advance for a year on the small but nice appartment i have now and after 2 weeks of not talking, my mom reached out to me and engaged in conversation again, now i just go visit everyother 2 weeks and we are fine, when they ask me about poker i tell em ive as good as quit and am just enjoying the life.but when its my moms bday i still bring her 300$/bottle parfum and we both know how i pay it but we kinda dont talk about it i guess... i really needed to move out for myself, because playing secretly, scared of parents seeing u playy etc, all teh time, will just distract u so much and hurt ur mindset, it got so bad with me at a certain point that my roi in deepstack husngs dropped frmo 21% to 3% just because i was playing fearfull of my surroundings and trying to hide what i was doing, which is definately not how u want to play poker :)what at one point seemed to help for my dad a little bit tho, was when i told him i didnt enjoy poker, like i didnt think it was fun anymore, but that i made XX$/hour on avg, and that it was just a more worthfull spending of my time then for example playing a diff videogame or hanging around in a bar, because i actually gained money. and i solely considered it as a , i have nothing else to do, lets play a little bit and win some money-thing rather then a job or a hobby OR an addiction now things have finally settled down a bit, and we just kinda dont talk about it anymore, and life goes on i guess? but now its about time for me to have the, i want to quit university to chase the poker dream - talk with my parents fuck our lives browished i was born in vegas with a carddealer for a mother and a casino owner for a father haha

jackoneill's picture
I moved out many years ago,

I moved out many years ago, long before I even started to play poker.  Back then, I simply didn't want my dad to say whom I can bring home and whom I can't - especially girls.However, I still drive to my parent's place every day because I want to see our dog.  My dad works in a different city, so it's no problem during the week, he only comes home at the weekends - and then he's often in a very bad mood and doesn't talk very much :-(I had this big fight with him after that Full Tilt incident, where I had to tell him that I quit completely and he wanted to see that email from support saying that they closed my account.  But he never learned about any of the other poker sites that I was playing at.So at the moment, I think I'll simply not play at all while he's around - you're absolutely right about that hostile environment thing, in hindsight I must admit that my play during the weekends when he was around was really bad, always scared that he might have a look at my screen.And during the week, well maybe my mom was right about me being a little bit aggressive the other day - I simply don't want to disturbed while I'm playing and she kinda bugged me constantly.Maybe in a couple of months, after I've actually made some decent money from playing, then I could even talk to my dad about it.


RyPac13's picture
If you don't live at home why

If you don't live at home why can't you come pick up the dog or visit the dog during off peak poker hours and just play poker at your own place, without your parents interfering?  I'm guessing I misread something.

jackoneill's picture
Yeah, I'm now rescheduling my

Yeah, I'm now rescheduling my day to do exactly that.The problem with my old schedule is simply that I usually spend ~2pm till ~7pm at my parent's place and I'm used to staying up very late at night and waking up around noon.  I'm used to this schedule for many years because in my old job, most of my colleagues including my boss were from the US, so staying up late allowed me to hang around in chat and talk to them while working, whereas the European mornings were always extremely boring, everyone else was sleeping.Somehow, this time in the afternoon is also the time where I'm most concentrated and most active.  And while I was still working, I always hated this feeling when I came home to my place around 8pm and hadn't really done that much that day, so I had to stay up and work till like 6am+.Now, I'll try to reschedule things so that I'll wake up earlier, play a session in the morning, then take a long break in the afternoon and play another session in the evening.  Ideally, I should be able to get some 30 games in before lunch, then relax the entire afternoon and play some other 20 games early in the evening.And since my mom seems to be kinda ok with that, I can even use the weekday afternoons for training purposes, read this forum, post hands etc.JTS made some very good argument about how playing scared hurts emotionally - and a big part of the reason why I was so frustrated this week was because I felt like I could never feel "completely safe" while playing at my parent's place.Of course, changing my daily schedule to wake up many hours earlier than I was used to before will be hard in the beginning - and I may need to go back to the old one if I get a job at some American company again - but I think it should work for the next 6+ weeks.


RyPac13's picture
But if you're so focused on

But if you're so focused on playing at your parents, you're not playing with the dog, so why not just only visit for the most part when you can play with the dog for a few hours, otherwise eat a meal with your parents, do any chores or whatever help they may need, conversation then leave?If you really want to give poker a full go, it seems very apparent that they hate poker and your father won't change his mind (and mother obviously disapproves but will turn the other cheek as long as your dad doesn't know).  So why even bother mixing these two toxic things (poker and your parents) if you don't have to? My advice based on what you've said here is to become a master scheduler and never play a single hand of poker at your parent's house again, even avoid poker forums completely at their house.  I'm assuming you don't have to go there for 6 hours at a time either, meaning you shouldn't have to play poker there or quit.

JackTheShipper's picture
tbh, i would just play poker

tbh, i would just play poker at ur place (home) exclusively, like i do and then drive to the parental home eat with them, mow their lawn (or w.e ((i also go see my cat fwiw :P )) ) do some catching up for 30 mins and after those 2 hours im back at my place ( im prolly a worse son tho, because i only do like one 2 hour visit every week or 2 :( )

jackoneill's picture
Morning holiday weekend ! So

Morning holiday weekend !So the plan for this holiday weekend is to grind in the mornings and evenings, then leave the laptop at home when going to my parent's place.


jackoneill's picture
This one was against a new

This one was against a new fish.  He already 3bet me a few times before, but hasn't done any 3bet-jams yet.He just lost a huge pot prior to this hand.Standard to gii this deep - or what's my calling range here ?The guy called me "fish" in chat after this hand ...No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBKardosKitti1867  SBHero1133  Effective Stacks: 38bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, KardosKitti goes all-in 1867, Hero goes all-in 1073   Flop (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Turn (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Final Pot: 3000 KardosKitti shows two pair, Aces and Jacks Hero shows a pair of Aces KardosKitti wins 3000 ( won +1133 ) Hero lost -1133 


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