I think I remember reading that the $55s is the highest level where Stars won't intervene, but I could wrong about that. Either way, I'd advise just playing it out against anyone who doesn't have a reputation to lose if they rip you off.

All you can do right now is out him as being a douchebag to as many regs as you can. Maybe if you get enough people to sit him out of spite he will cough up the money.

You should get your money back.

I'll see if I can talk to dmoney and Stars security and see if one of them steps up here.

Actually, get me the tournament ID of the game in question please.

I'm pretty sure you will get your money back within a week, it's tough because it's the holidays and a lot of people are on vacations and such.

No problem.

I may not have word back about this until Monday or Tuesday, but I'll let you know if/when I hear back.

See if you can find me that 2p2 post.

I'll have a response back from somebody at Stars by Tuesday hopefully.

Thanks.

If you have his AIM name, you can send it to me as well.  It seems he's won some games recently, so he should have money in his account.

One player has received their money from this player due to Stars stepping in.  At least two others it appears have not.

Apparently they inserted that "no deal making allowed" notice into the 2 man lobbies for awhile.

Why they have held up some chat agreements but not a few here, I don't know.

I'm working on finding out, getting your money back and preventing this dmoney asshole from screwing more people out of money.

Any of the higher stakes members here, feel free to sit dmoney at the $55 turbos on Stars if you see him.  I will be doing the same if I see him.

That "no deal making" thing is for turbos only, AFAIK there is no such notice at regspeeds. I wonder why...

It's in the regular speeds as well.

When you open up a specific game and get ready to register, there is a rotating message in the top right of the box.

You can definitely register and get a game well before it shows up though, since it's the 2nd of the 2 messages that rotate.

Indeed, it is there. I didn't notice it the last time I checked. I must've been holding the cursor over the 1st message. BTW check your mail

Me?

I don't see an email about this anywhere.

Still waiting on this issue to be resolved, I haven't forgotten.

IMO Stars should just fix the underlying problem by opening a new empty table once someone is sitting.

During peak hours, you just can't find any empty tournament - you'll always find some other regular already registerd, so you need to use the "Register to any" function to get a match.  The problem here is, if two regulars are doing this, they'll end up playing against each other.

Happened to me at least 5 times today, twice against taedium (where we chopped) and a few more times against random SuperNova's (where I didn't even ask because I didn't know them).

There is no underlying problem, people should just play with whoever sits with them at their buyin level.

There's no way a good player at $57 or $115 doesn't have an edge over a player like Dmoney.  Too often people just look at stats and assume it's impossible to get an edge or that the other player is good.  It is true sometimes, but you don't know until you play them.

Moreover, even if you play somebody much stronger than you, if you find a leak or two and they don't recognize any particular leaks to exploit of your's, you could easily have an edge.

HS players can back me up on this one, nobody is ever as good as you think when you're intimidated, and you're never as good as you think either.

Well, imo the additional lobby would almost eliminate the risk of two regulars sitting each other if both don't want to play each other.  All regs would simply sit first at an empty table and wait for fish to join.  That's how it works on Full Tilt or Absolute.

Regarding having an edge, sure I probably have one against a lot of the regulars, but it's just a lot easier to play fish.  It doesn't require that much thinking or concentrating, I can play three tables - and I still have a significant edge over fish when I'm tired after a long and stressful workday.

Playing regulars doesn't only require me to be focused all the time, it also makes me get tired much more quickly, so I'd need to shorten my sessions.

At the moment, I play poker to quickly build back a bankroll which'd be sufficient to play the $200's - and for that, I need to lower my variance and also get a lot of volume.

Without the threat of getting sat by other regulars, a ton of the weaker regulars would then sit first under the unlimited lobby creation rule.

Then the better regulars, forced to wait much longer for a game, would end up just sitting the weaker regulars and you'd probably see more reg vs reg wars and a ton more whining.

I wouldn't wait 30 minutes for a $115 game, I'd just sit people I normally wait to register for a match before I sit first, even if it's a 1-4% ROI type edge on them.  If I couldn't improve my edge on those regulars I'd just move down a level or two.

Hi,

This is RyPac on xSCWx's account.

I've been in the process of moving and still don't have permanent internet setup yet.  I'll check with my Stars security source in the next few days, he has not emailed me back yet about a resolution to this issue.

Thanks for the patience, I'm looking forward to finding a long term solution not only for your issue but for other people with the same issues.

RyPac again.

I'm not sure the rationale behind the no chopping rule, but I would guess it's likely to avoid tying up support with extra p2p problems.

Also, what would Stars do if a user agreed to chop in chat, did not send the money and went broke?  They would be on the hook for the transfer if they allowed chat agreed upon chops universally.

I think FTP is like you say it is, they don't allow chat chops.

Long term, I think the best solution is to make it clear and known to husng players that you cannot chop in the chat of 2 man games.  I like this rule better than allowing a chop chat (for various reasons), but it has to be known to all players, otherwise it puts players in spots like you, which is unfair.  Dmoney is basically taking advantage of a rule change and is angleshooting/scamming people out of their money.

I'm guessing Stars will make it more clear in the lobby in the future and I can help out by putting someting up in HuNL for the husng users to see about the rule change so that regulars don't get scammed by other regulars that are used to chopping with one another.

Currently, Stars has this on the 2nd page of a rotating message in the individual game lobby.  You can actually register for a 2 man husng and get a game launched before you even see the message come up.  That is not enough and should be plenty to get your money back (not to mention this user's history of doing the same to other people).

They gotta do what FT does, the "make deal" button eliminates this issue entirely....maybe they are working on it.

RyPac here again.

The security person that I brought this issue to has not had a chance to review the matter entirely.  It's on his list, so it's only a matter of time.

I'll update when I hear more.

He's backlogged for now from the holidays, but said he'll likely get to it this week and if misbehavior went on you will be compensated.

So it looks like your issue will almost certainly be fixed and then I'll talk about the larger issue of preventing this from happening as frequently as it does long term.

He was the first one to not send me on a agreed chop,  Unreal POS
 

what goes around comes around   fu.xk    him   :)
 

I'll email him back tomorrow if he doesn't get back to me.  He should be caught up with his vacation work by now.

Email back from Stars security:

"I expect to have a comprehensive answer to each of the issues you've
raised by the end of the week."

I accidently sat down on a 55 deep no blind raise against a regular desmo88 and he did the same thing to me once he saw that I was a descent player. I followed him around for a few days asking and he said he had problems with his account that wouldn't let him. This week he just won't respond at all. Stars said the same thing execpt I kept sending stuff back saying that its BS that they let people do this and I threatened to make a carreer out of the same move if they didn't do somthing about it. They replied saying that if a player did it twice then they'd get banned but they were going to give the benefit of the doubt for the 1st time. I'm checking in on his tables every now and then to see if he's up to anything.

Can you please copy the email where they say that the person is banned if they do it multiple times?

I'd love to say goodbye to dmoney over this.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/husng-beware-chopping-o...

Somebody had the same thing happen to them with dmoney again, that's at least 4 people now in 2 months.

> Hello Alex,
>
> Thank you for your email.
>
> We are completely aware that this situation can arise and if any player does
> it more than once, that player's account would be closed. Also, if we have
> evidence that the player knew the rule, we would close the player's account.
>
> I trust that this has been helpful to you, but please feel free to contact
> us again anytime, if we can help you further.
>
> Regards,
>
> Will L.
> PokerStars Support Team

I just posted in the 2p2 thread here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/husng-beware-chopping-o...

We'll start emailing Stars tomorrow and asking them to fix this issue right away.

I'll also contact the security person I've been talking with about this again and try to get him to take care of this.

Dmoney's chat has been banned.

Working on getting refunds and putting the rule change in a more visible area of the lobby.

I check this site just as often :)

I was waiting for a reply from security on my last email.  He was talking about not refunding people's accounts since it's against their new policy, but I made some valid points.

We'll have to set up a chain email thread this week on 2p2 to get everybody we can to complain about this.  It's pretty insane that they won't honor the chop when the player was clearly manipulating people and the rule in order to steal their money.

I agree it sucks and is a time sink.

But it doesn't just benefit you, it benefits others, so that's why we do it.  If we only think of ourselves, we don't really have a right to bitch in these situations.  If people don't speak up as a whole, Stars surely will enact policies we don't agree with or do not think is fair from time to time, and we don't have much of a right to bitch on relatively minor ones such as this one.

But if we put in a bit of time (and for most just an email in a situation like this), we can make the husng games a lot more fair and make the poker sites much more accountable for bad decisions.

In this instance, we've given Stars plenty of time to do the right thing, so we'll have to bring this public now.