I think wanting to check behind turn is super results oriented with the AdXx. There's tons of worse pairs and worse pair+draw we really want to get value out of. His small raise size does make me groan big time, but we probably still have the equity to get it in.
With QTcc, I'd reraise, but mostly because of how super valuable it is to get him in with his dominated draws when we crush them that badly. That's the biggest reason for it.
hey mers, Been super busy lately and will be till monday, so just a quick question and be back posting more come monday. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero2050 BBkogot2000950 Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 100, kogot2000 calls 50 Flop (200, 2 players) kogot2000 checks, Hero bets 100, kogot2000 calls 100 Turn (400, 2 players) kogot2000 checks, Hero checks River (400, 2 players) kogot2000 bets 150, Hero raises to 300, kogot2000 calls 150 Final Pot: 1000 Villian is going to call this flop pretty wide. He's passive, and somewhat stationy. I can 3 barrel him off of weak pairs, and I think he'll fold his junk draws to a dbl brl. But he's passive with strong hands as well, and a lot of flushes that would normally cr this flop are going to be in range. Due to stack depth and his range I should probably be bet calling this turn eh? But if we were deeper is a cbh going to be fine? Deeper if I bet and get shoved on its pretty big disaster I think.
Okay so if villian 3 bet shoves 25% and calls under 25% we can open ATC, but if we're folding the majority of the time we're at equilibrium, cause he's gaing 3 bb's 25% to our 1.5 50% of the time, on average,so I'm thinking its stil correct to have a strong limping range vs these opponents @ 20 bb and less. which would increase our equity from raising our junk. sound right?
okay so maybe a couple more questions then I thought. IF villian is cring with a lot of his draws is it going to be correct to reraise on flops such as J9xcc w AJo? Do we always want to be flatting these cr's so that villian continues with air? what about at different stack depths? Like shorter if villian is going to have the odds to call off a shove w most of his draws anyways then its better just to flat and let him brl off his air, but what about deeper vs villians that cr most of their draws? I'm guessing its always correct to reraise vs a merged range, like if villian is cr his middling pairs and weak tp's. Thing is when theres draws available I often don't want to let villian realize his equity, but then I often tighten his range and lose out on value from air. How about clicking it back some of the time vs villians that are polar? don't we have to do this for the most part(if we're getting rematches etc) or then we're pretty much going to have to give up on all dry flops he contests since we're only flatting with our strength?
I'd check back flop with the K7 as standard, if your reasoning was to double barrel and bet/call this turn. If we were deeper I'd bet/fold somewhat smaller often to set up a triple barrel.
"Okay so if villian 3 bet shoves 25% and calls under 25% we can open ATC, but if we're folding the majority of the time we're at equilibrium, cause he's gaing 3 bb's 25% to our 1.5 50% of the time, on average,so I'm thinking its stil correct to have a strong limping range vs these opponents @ 20 bb and less. which would increase our equity from raising our junk. sound right?"I agree that vs someone of those 3betting numbers we should have a limping range, even if raising is "+EV" compared to folding, yep. Sounds like a good candiate for having a polarized raising range.
"J9xcc w AJo" - This is usually going to be a flop 3-bet because of how much we want to get draws and dominated Jx in. If he has the odds to call a shove with his draw, it's usually best just to jam and force him to get the rest of the chips in behind, rather than letting him pick and choose which boards to commit more to. This isn't always the case, though. Find some specific hands and we'll talk about them.The more polar he is, the more willing you should be to flat and/or 3bet small.
If out opponent's vpip is less then 50% oop, but is a super station post flop, what adjustments do you recommend? I find I have trouble since raising pre is + ev, but then post flop I usually have a decision of whether or not to bet my air. Since I can't barrel most of the opponents and my cbet isn't going to be +ev I think I'm forced to minr pre and cbh post often. At first I think I can try having a polar cbet range, and cbh my mrgnal equity hands which will allow me to continue to turn stabs, and still get to showdown. But if he simply won't fold then I'm going to have to cbh hands that have little equity.
This was pretty early on. I thought it was best to just call river. Readless here I think he has more str8 combos then 2 pair in range. $15/$30 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$1440.00 BBGrossPoker$1560.00 Effective Stacks: 48bb Pre-Flop ($45.00, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to $60.00, GrossPoker calls $30.00 Flop ($120.00, 2 players) GrossPoker checks, Hero bets $60.00, GrossPoker calls $60.00 Turn ($240.00, 2 players) GrossPoker checks, Hero bets $140.00, GrossPoker calls $140.00 River ($520.00, 2 players) GrossPoker bets $330.00, Hero calls $330.00 Final Pot: $1180.00
I cbh here, its early on but he's made a couple of weird moves, and sizings by this time so I don't feel comfortable cbetting. CAn we call this turn? I've seen him make a bet size a few times so it seems pretty standard for him. I'm probably ahead of his stab range, although he's going to have decent equity here when I just call, and someone who'll use this sizing is probably going to be abe to 2 barrel. $15/$30 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$865.00 BBGrossPoker$2135.00 Effective Stacks: 29bb Pre-Flop ($45.00, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to $60.00, GrossPoker calls $30.00 Flop ($120.00, 2 players) GrossPoker checks, Hero checks Turn ($120.00, 2 players) GrossPoker bets $90.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $210.00 GrossPoker wins $210.00 ( won +$60.00 ) Hero lost -$60.00
Villian calls 42% and 3 bet 21%. He cc 60% otf and cr 20% over an 80 hand sample. Now I wasn't actually expecting to many crs on this board, at this point and time from this opp. Its an extremely dry board and I figure to be ahead of his range so I go ahead and cbet. Would you float his cr here? Due to board texture and his cr frequency ? $15/$30 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBGrossPoker$1545.00 SBHero$1455.00 Effective Stacks: 49bb Pre-Flop ($45.00, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to $60.00, GrossPoker calls $30.00 Flop ($120.00, 2 players) GrossPoker checks, Hero bets $60.00, GrossPoker raises to $180.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $360.00 GrossPoker wins $360.00 ( won +$120.00 ) Hero lost -$120.00
I have no real reads on villians river bet here. I just feel ingeneral its going to be a blocker/thin v bet. I cbh ott because that spade is going to scare off a ton of his range, but maybe I should be betting here? I don't have the read that villian is a station at this point, turns out he was a pretty big one at that. $20/$40 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$1635.00 BBrietzschi1$1365.00 Effective Stacks: 34bb Pre-Flop ($60.00, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to $80.00, rietzschi1 calls $40.00 Flop ($160.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 checks, Hero bets $90.00, rietzschi1 calls $90.00 Turn ($340.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 checks, Hero checks River ($340.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 bets $80.00, Hero raises to $260.00, rietzschi1 calls $180.00 Final Pot: $860.00
villian had a 10% cr and had not really shown any aggressive tendencies up to this point, so I actually let this go on the turn. I just think that most people shut down with their air when called here. All Jx's are beating me, and he's calling 65% oop so theres a ton of 6x in range too. Turn bet is a bit suspicious with only 1 psb left, why not shove? If I call turn its to call off the river here, and I think his range is actually ahead so I fold. Too nitty? $25/$50 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$2015.00 BBrietzschi1$985.00 Effective Stacks: 20bb Pre-Flop ($75.00, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to $100.00, rietzschi1 calls $50.00 Flop ($200.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 checks, Hero bets $100.00, rietzschi1 raises to $200.00, Hero calls $100.00 Turn ($600.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 bets $300.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $900.00 rietzschi1 wins $900.00 ( won +$300.00 ) Hero lost -$300.00
Should I fold to this minr? I 3 bet A10 because villian snap called my first 3 bet. In that hand he floated Qxxcc and folded to a turn barrel. This is 4 hands later I think. I think he's going to see me as having a wider cr range after having just 3 bet recently so I can see him wanting to float here or contest. In game I was thinking about checking here, but I also thought that it was super early on to make too many assumptions so I cbet. When he clicks it back I decided to peel just because his bluff range is so large here, I'm thinking. Should I have folded because it was early on? Should I have checked due to my previous 3 bet? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1605 SBmanueldenis1395 Effective Stacks: 47bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BBmanueldenis raises to 60, Hero raises to 180, manueldenis calls 120 Flop (360, 2 players) Hero bets 180, manueldenis raises to 360, Hero calls 180 Turn (1080, 2 players) Hero checks, manueldenis bets 435, Hero folds Final Pot: 1515 manueldenis wins 1515 ( won +540 ) Hero lost -540
"If out opponent's vpip is less then 50% oop, but is a super station post flop, what adjustments do you recommend? I find I have trouble since raising pre is + ev, but then post flop I usually have a decision of whether or not to bet my air. Since I can't barrel most of the opponents and my cbet isn't going to be +ev I think I'm forced to minr pre and cbh post often. At first I think I can try having a polar cbet range, and cbh my mrgnal equity hands which will allow me to continue to turn stabs, and still get to showdown. But if he simply won't fold then I'm going to have to cbh hands that have little equity." I'd still open a pretty wide range, but I think it's OK to give up on more flops and not c-bet in situations where you might otherwise, even with no showdown value. Stations also tend to be pretty passive, so you can decrease your c-bet size and expect to not induce too many bluffs, on a good amount of boars, which increases the expectation from c-betting.
Pretty damn weird river decision with the KT. I expect A2/62 to fold a lot on the turn, so you're really only worried about 76/slowplayed sets. I'd raise for value but it's pretty thin especially given the reduced number of plausible two pair combos with this runout.
I'm OK with checking turn with the JT but it's really because you're likely only going to get one street of value against worse spades, I don't expect any of his pairs to call a bet if you check so I don't think the "scare card" aspect is that important. Checking does best against bigger spades of course. I'd make a smaller value raise on the end.
I fold the J4 as well, especially given reads. nh.The flop spot with the AT is always a funky one, peeling is going to be OK. We can have the best hand occasionally, he shouldn't have much 3x in his range, and we're obviously getting a great price to draw against Jx despite the fact that it's only 3 outs. He can occasionally have pocket pairs on this texture, too.
"Pretty damn weird river decision with the KT. I expect A2/62 to fold a lot on the turn, so you're really only worried about 76/slowplayed sets. I'd raise for value but it's pretty thin especially given the reduced number of plausible two pair combos with this runout."I was really thinking about raising for value, but if we raise here are we calling a shove? I'm guessing no? But it would be a super tough lay down considering what he's repping. I mean if he's donking two pair on this river can we assume he's not going to spazz shove over our raise for value?
I've been wondering in what spots should I be flatting a 3 bet w weaker aces. My understanding is that flatting something like a small suited Ax is fine vs certain 3 bet ranges. The clowns is incredibly aggro, I've seen him 3 bet 84. A lot of his 3 bet range is junk because he often flats his stronger hands, KK, AK, etc.. and he definitely flats most of his Ax. So his range is weighted towards bluffs and theres not going to be that much Ax in it that I should be fine to flat. He's 3 betting 23%. Is flatting Axs vs someone that is polar and is 3 betting 20% going to be okay? Thing is we get owned when an Ace flops and they have us outkicked, but does the times when we're up against his junk make a flat okay? Is the fact that he'll perceive our range to be a lot of Ax so when we do hit and he misses we're not going to get paid off anyways lean us to a fold? If so then maybe I should just revert back to throwing away A8s and below? Just not sure about this spot in general. And if I don't want to minr fold is limp calling these hands a decent option? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBTheClowns1720 SBHero1280 Effective Stacks: 32bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 80, TheClowns raises to 200, Hero calls 120 Flop (400, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero checks Turn (400, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero checks River (400, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 400
Now here is one of those spots where I get cr on and I'm not always sure about the correct course of action. In this specific instance it was pretty obvious. Clowns cr range is merged and he continues and gii with really really horrible equity. I remember watching a video where you say that clowns convinced you that he was good, so maybe he's been on monkey tilt or something for the past couple of weeks. So since he's raising merged there is going to be a ton of draws that I don't want to realize equity, a ton of worse 10's, 9's and other weird combo's he'll gii with. So I think my reraise here is fine, but my question is how to proceed on this flop vs various ranges. Vs a polar range should I just flat? I think that the problem with flatting this board is that even villians who tend to cr a polar range are going to be more weighted towards their top end. Strong draws and tens here. People tend to see this board as one that will be contested often, so its not going to be a good candidate to cr your air on as much. Do you agree? So in general think I'm going to be facing stronger draws and 10's. Against an oppenent that's cring this board to gii do we ever want to peel? If our oppenent is only cring hands he's willing to gii with a lot of those hands are going to be flipping with us, but the problem with peeling is there are a ton of turns that are going to be scare cards and I'm not really going to know how to continue. So I'm assuming in this spot we often want to reraise. If we had a weaker ten @ this stack depth I think peel and re-evaluate, but J10 is strong enough to gii here vs most. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1415 BBTheClowns1585 Effective Stacks: 47bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 60, TheClowns calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 60, TheClowns raises to 180, Hero raises to 450, TheClowns goes all-in 1525, Hero goes all-in 905 Turn (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 3000 Hero shows two pair, Tens and Nines TheClowns shows three of a kind, Nines TheClowns wins 3000 ( won +1415 ) Hero lost -1415
The clowns Cr's soo frequently he's at 40% over 372 hands, and he does it often on dry boards. So I peeled here. I'm wondering about the turn bet, and I know that if I do bet I should have made it even smaller, like 120. I'm not sure about it though. I doubt he ever expects me to cbh a king so my range looks weak when I cbh, he's able to vbet pretty thin, and he's super aggro and he might put me on a fd or Ax and bet river. His air does have some equity... yeah not really sure. I think that I can either cbh turn re-evaluate river, but I think a fold is going to be best against anything bigger then half pot? or bet 120 ott. The problem with his river sizing is that I almost expect vs most oppenents for their sizing to be smaller with their stronger holdings and bigger with their air, but I think that clowns overplays a lot of his holdings so I'm not really happy looking at a bet here otr, just don't know what his range is going to be like, half pot looks like a standard vbet and 3/4 looks like a clowns overplay, so betting turn 120 seems like my best option. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBTheClowns1590 SBHero1410 Effective Stacks: 47bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 60, TheClowns calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 60, TheClowns raises to 180, Hero calls 120 Turn (480, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 180, TheClowns calls 180 River (840, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 840
Here I butchered this hand. In 95% of the cases at this stack depth I'm ccing turn and river if no diamond comes off. But vs clowns I'm virtually sure he peels a turn raise with all of his K,Q,J, and maybe even 9 of diamonds.. So I raised turn for value. I think theres a few problems with this. The first is that clowns is happy to gii light, so he can ship with those hands I previously mentioned that I'm ahead of. Plus (and I realized this in game) wtf should I do otr? I think I should check and allow him to bluff, because nothing that I'm beating is calling that shove, so I think the shove is just total spew, I basically got myself in a crap spot and shoved it in cause for no reason other then being tilted at my turn play. So basically this hand is total spewtard. Anyways thought I'd post it, because I'm still wondering if there is any merit for a cr on the turn. I think I did it too big fwiw, and it should be a bit smaller. I'm pretty sure I want to deny express odds here and that I shouldn't be worried about implied. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1500 SBTheClowns1500 Effective Stacks: 50bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BBTheClowns raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, TheClowns bets 80, Hero calls 80 Turn (280, 2 players) Hero checks, TheClowns bets 225, Hero raises to 630, TheClowns calls 405 River (1540, 2 players) Hero goes all-in 730, TheClowns folds Final Pot: 2270 Hero wins 2270 ( won +770 ) TheClowns lost -770
So here again clowns 3 bets me. And again he's got a pretty high frequency, slightly over 20% and he's either ridiculously polar or weighted more towards bluffs. When he checks otf I'm thinking I should bet, I don't want to give off free cards and I want to see where I'm at in the hand. I think knowing what I know now about the clowns play now that I would call a check shove, I'm not super happy about it but he semi bluffs so often that I think I'll have the equity to gii here. When he just peels I'm thinking that he's either trapping or that he's got weak SDV. I've seen him flat AK once, but that doesn't mean that he's not 3 betting those hands as well. So I think theres probably some strong Ax in range. Again I think my turn bet here is too big for what I want to accomplish, because I'm betting this turn for value and to protect. But something a little smaller shoud do the trick, and I'll get more value out of his Ax hand, in game I was actually going to fold the turn to a shove. My reasoning is that I think he'll just station it up with his sdv, if he's going to semi bluff he's going to do it on the flop, he has shown some slowplay tendencies, and so if he's check shoving here on the turn I think his range is way ahead. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBTheClowns1545 SBHero1455 Effective Stacks: 49bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 60, TheClowns raises to 180, Hero calls 120 Flop (360, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 180, TheClowns calls 180 Turn (720, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 420, TheClowns folds Final Pot: 1140 Hero wins 1140 ( won +360 ) TheClowns lost -360
"I was really thinking about raising for value, but if we raise here are we calling a shove? I'm guessing no? But it would be a super tough lay down considering what he's repping. I mean if he's donking two pair on this river can we assume he's not going to spazz shove over our raise for value? "I think once we raise we have to sigh call off the shove.
Against someone with a healthy 3bet bluffing range, the A2s is going to be a jam preflop. I'm fine with flatting it if it were a bit less."Is the fact that he'll perceive our range to be a lot of Ax so when we do hit and he misses we're not going to get paid off anyways lean us to a fold?"I don't think this is really true. he's definitely going to c-bet ace high boards and a lot of people don't have much Ax in their flatting range (you really shouldn't vs his 3bet range.
I'd flat flop with the JT. We're not in great shape against his get it in range and I think we can make a better decision when seeing the turn and seeing his bet (and what size). If we were shallower, it'd be a jam.His play is simply atrocious.
With the A7..."so betting turn 120 seems like my best option."I agree. One cool thing is that you rep Kx really well, and a very small bet just continues to rep Kx, so you shouldn't have to deal with too many bluff raises. I also like a small turn bet for value or to fold out his equity.
With the A6, I agree I'm almost always c/c turn. If you have reads that he'll call raises really light, you can raise/call the turn. I also agree you should be checking the river. The hands he bets this size on on the turn are either way behidn you or ahead of you, there's not much value to be had.
Opponent was stationy and spazzy. Limped 55% of hands. I'm far ahead of his limping range but he'll limp call here often, and put me in tough situations. Should I be 3 xing here or is a jam fine? I guess we kind of want a lot of calls and we're still deep enough to play some poker so 3xing is probably better? If he limps Ax this should be a good spot to jam if he'll Limp call AI though I expect. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero2250 SBdaddysmoney19750 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players)Hero is BB daddysmoney19 calls 25, Hero goes all-in 2250, daddysmoney19 folds Final Pot: 2300 Hero wins 2300 ( won +50 ) daddysmoney19 lost -50
1st hand in. I think I could have called ott there when he donks, and then fold the majority of rivers. I have a blocker for 108, and I think a lot of the time this is going to be some kind of hand that picked up a FD, although I also think that a lot of jacks might donk the turn to protect because the board has developed, also two pair donks here often. Either way looking at it I don't hate folding or peeling one card, but I'm not sure. If I were to peel it helps that we have a one card gutter. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBdaddysmoney191500 SBHero1500 Effective Stacks: 50bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 60, daddysmoney19 calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) daddysmoney19 checks, Hero bets 75, daddysmoney19 calls 75 Turn (270, 2 players) daddysmoney19 bets 120, Hero folds Final Pot: 390 daddysmoney19 wins 390 ( won +135 ) Hero lost -135
His vpip is only 55% so I think opening here is fine. My plan was to triple barrel this board. He cr 27% of the time and cc 45% of the time otf. I think he cc's are the weaker end of his range. So I'm putting a lot of 8x and 3x in range. A lot of gutters, and bkdoor combo draws. I expect to have to 3 barrel him off here. The donk on the river is weird. In game I was strongly considering shoving but I had timed down a bit too much, so I think he would have looked me up more. A lot of his draws missed... but I doubt he's donking missed draws. Two pair is a possibility, but really the only two pair that would take this line is 89, and possibly 39. So being much more weighted to an 8x blocker bet and bckdoor fd's I think I should have shoved.EDIT: I was just thinking about this hand. I'm pretty sure the reason I folded was my perceived range. i think that my perceived range is going to be a lot of Qx on this board, better hand readers will see me barreling my draws, but I'm not sure he vilian is a thinking player. Even if he sees me as barreling draws he'd probably check his 8x, and if my percevied range is Qx then it doesn't make too much sense for him to donk into me. It seems more like a value bet to me now. So all in all I'm kind of meh about this hand I guess. I think the fold is probably best now without reads that he'll block bet river, and I'm not sure if this runout is really a situation where villian will block bet often. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBmanimal1245 SBHero1755 Effective Stacks: 42bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 60, manimal calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) manimal checks, Hero bets 60, manimal calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) manimal checks, Hero bets 140, manimal calls 140 River (520, 2 players) manimal bets 300, Hero foldsFinal Pot: 820 manimal wins 820 ( won +260 ) Hero lost -260
If villian has a vpip hovering around 55% range, but 3 bets wide at what blind level do you start incorporating a polar open range? Do you ever incorporate limps above 30 bb? I don't really ever start limping until I reach 25 and below. usually not till around 20 bb. My reasoning is that up until 20 bb I can easily flat more 3 bets, and minr folding isn't as damaging a loss.
I think a jam pre is just fine/optimal with A8. With stronger aces, I'd 3.5x, but too much stuff can play really well limp/calling against a hand like A8. Add in the expectation from spazzcalls and I think it's a clear jam.I definitely think folding the turn with the T9 is a mistake. You have the best hand some of the time, and decent outs to improve when you don't. I think it's much closer with 96o, but not really a decision with T9.I like your thought process on the 42 hand, and definitely would not have shoved against this size donk bet.
"If villian has a vpip hovering around 55% range, but 3 bets wide at what blind level do you start incorporating a polar open range? Do you ever incorporate limps above 30 bb? I don't really ever start limping until I reach 25 and below. usually not till around 20 bb. My reasoning is that up until 20 bb I can easily flat more 3 bets, and minr folding isn't as damaging a loss."It depends on his 3bet sizing. Often, if a hand can't call a 3bet, put can call a 3x raise of a limp, limping is a very solid option. So hands like J8o, K7o, Q8o, stuff like that. I wouldn't think too much about stuff like "minraise/folding isn't as damaging a loss" - it's all about what has the best expectation, even if losing a couple bbs isn't that big of a deal at deeper stacks.
In my hh review you said you think that I 3 bet hands like Q10s too often and too large. In that instance I was playing against someone who I thought called 3 bets light. So what I was trying to do was open my value range. I think my reads were off all game. He didn't open too wide so that he should be able to flat my 3 bets a decent percentage of the time simply because his range is stronger. So in that case I shouldn't have been 3 betting Q10s. What about villians who open wide and call 3 bets light? In that case isn't Q10s a good hand to add to my value range? Is 2.5xing these hands along with my monsters good for balance? and then 3xing KJ, KQ, 99, 1010, and JJ. Is 2,5 x small enough to accomplish what we want with these hands or should I experiment with smaller 3 bets vs wide openers?
Still kind of unsure about flatting 3 bets in certain spots 76s would be my cut off in most cases. Villian is tight calls 20% and cr 15%. Him being tight is an argument for me calling. At a shorter stack depth I think its an easy fold, deeper I'd call. Here I think @ 25 bb its a bit grey. I have a lot of control over the match at this point and his range is far ahead here. If I had 87s I'd call but 76s I'm thinking is too weak. Too nitty? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1980 BBMaikel_B1020 Effective Stacks: 26bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 80, Maikel_B raises to 200, Hero folds Final Pot: 280 Maikel_B wins 280 ( won +80 ) Hero lost -80
Recently I've run into the situation where I'm BB w something like A5s and the small blind, who is a uber nit, 3x's 10-12 bb. Is it correct to fold here? Or is it always a jam? Doing some math against some nitty ranges it looks like a fold. If he's raise calling off stuff like J10s, Q10s its only a slight fold. If villian is opening the top 13.4% of his range(assuming he shoves 22-55) its -1.4 bb to shove. But this does not take into account card removal. SO I'm guessing that if I'm sure that he's that tight dropping these hands is okay. Do you think that we simply can't be that sure @ these depths? What about a total nits shoving range? It seems pretty clear to me now that I should be folding some of my aces if I think his range is that tight short eff stax. around 10 bb plus. But it seems like standard is you have an Ax at 10 bb its always a snap. Is there any reason I'm missing here? Is it simply card removal? Does card runners ev incorporate card removal? I'm still just learning how to mess around with it.
In Jhub's thread his 3 bet shoving range includes all premium aces as a standard. Which I think is great readless and I figure in turbos you'll have more people calling of shoves readless with weaker Ax's. In turbos where theres more of a 3 bet dynamic I still shove my premiums, but only if I think he's going to be calling off weaker ax's or wider. But if We have a dynamic where villain will flat wide even @ 16bb I think its going to be best to keep these hands in my non AI 3 bet range. Sound right?
How should our oop calling range differ from our 15-25bb being deeper 25-50bb? Atm I'm not really making any adjustments for deeper play. I remember Rypac telling me a long time ago, that when we're deeper, hands like K5 etc have worse expectation because of reverse implied odds. From your videos it seems that it was fairly recent where your idea about this changed and you've been flatting these hands early with good results. Would you say that now your 25 bb + oop calling range looks a lot like your 15-25 bb range?
Reviewing this I was unsure about the turn bet. Villian calls super wide otf. Preflop he calls 39% and flop he cc 67% and cr 33%. He often leads turn if I cbh otf or leads river when I cbh ott. I figure that I'm ahead of his range here a good amount and that if I cbh I'm going to have to call of a lot of rivers where he's going to be determining sizing, plus I give his overs a chance to realize their equity. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1455 BBQJdiamantes1545 Effective Stacks: 36bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 80, QJdiamantes calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) QJdiamantes checks, Hero bets 80, QJdiamantes calls 80 Turn (320, 2 players) QJdiamantes checks, Hero bets 160, QJdiamantes calls 160 River (640, 2 players) QJdiamantes bets 280, Hero folds Final Pot: 920 QJdiamantes wins 920 ( won +320 ) Hero lost -320
I've always had assumptions about playing AQ and AJ vs 3 bets early but never really taked at length with anyone. Early vs a 3 bet I'm jamming AQ, and flatting AJo, jamming AJs. Does that sound right?What I'm really interested in knowing is what sorts of dynamics do we want to be flatting AQ? Against villians who have a 20% polar 3 bet range I think that we should be flatting deep? My ideas concerning this come mostly from Ronintalken's 3 bet article. The way I understand it is that villians strategy plays best against us when we jam our premium hands and flat our middling holdings, since its easy for him to fold his trash and he can call of the top of his range no prob and often be in a dominating pos, or at least a flip. So incorporating AQ into our flatting range is best. Should we incorporate AK? I'm always a fan of jamming because at worst we'll be flipping but we crush his other Ax that will call AQ, AJ. once we get to around 25% I think we should simply be value shoving at this level simply because its hard for us to play poker at this depth with a bloated pot where villian has initiative. So the Ax hands that I'd fat become shoves, and middling range becomes limps. I think that a caveat here is that if villian is 3 betting a large portion of AX and calling off shoves, we should still jam AJ+.Vs opponents who open higher then 20%... 23-25 plus my thought is that we lose too much value from flatting so our premium Ax's become shoves.
"What about villians who open wide and call 3 bets light? In that case isn't Q10s a good hand to add to my value range? Is 2.5xing these hands along with my monsters good for balance? and then 3xing KJ, KQ, 99, 1010, and JJ. Is 2,5 x small enough to accomplish what we want with these hands or should I experiment with smaller 3 bets vs wide openers?"Opens wide and calls 3bets light is definitely the recipe for expanding your 3bet for value range, including QTs. I think 2.5-2.8x tends to be a bit better with these hands, but if your opponent is calling really wide, might as well get full value with 3x. I do think experimenting with smaller 3bets vs wide openers is a good idea, especially if they have a fold button.
River is weird for sure as well with the Qx, but I call due to the missed draws and the fact that he'll raise flop with a decent amount of his Jx.
I think wanting to check behind turn is super results oriented with the AdXx. There's tons of worse pairs and worse pair+draw we really want to get value out of. His small raise size does make me groan big time, but we probably still have the equity to get it in.
With my A9 I expect him to bluff a lot on the river and value bet river so I can check/raise and get max value against a lot of hands.
With QTcc, I'd reraise, but mostly because of how super valuable it is to get him in with his dominated draws when we crush them that badly. That's the biggest reason for it.
J8 hand looks good to me, nh.I would definitely not jam the K4 on the turn. Just flat.
hey mers, Been super busy lately and will be till monday, so just a quick question and be back posting more come monday. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero2050 BBkogot2000950 Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 100, kogot2000 calls 50 Flop (200, 2 players) kogot2000 checks, Hero bets 100, kogot2000 calls 100 Turn (400, 2 players) kogot2000 checks, Hero checks River (400, 2 players) kogot2000 bets 150, Hero raises to 300, kogot2000 calls 150 Final Pot: 1000 Villian is going to call this flop pretty wide. He's passive, and somewhat stationy. I can 3 barrel him off of weak pairs, and I think he'll fold his junk draws to a dbl brl. But he's passive with strong hands as well, and a lot of flushes that would normally cr this flop are going to be in range. Due to stack depth and his range I should probably be bet calling this turn eh? But if we were deeper is a cbh going to be fine? Deeper if I bet and get shoved on its pretty big disaster I think.
Okay so if villian 3 bet shoves 25% and calls under 25% we can open ATC, but if we're folding the majority of the time we're at equilibrium, cause he's gaing 3 bb's 25% to our 1.5 50% of the time, on average,so I'm thinking its stil correct to have a strong limping range vs these opponents @ 20 bb and less. which would increase our equity from raising our junk. sound right?
okay so maybe a couple more questions then I thought. IF villian is cring with a lot of his draws is it going to be correct to reraise on flops such as J9xcc w AJo? Do we always want to be flatting these cr's so that villian continues with air? what about at different stack depths? Like shorter if villian is going to have the odds to call off a shove w most of his draws anyways then its better just to flat and let him brl off his air, but what about deeper vs villians that cr most of their draws? I'm guessing its always correct to reraise vs a merged range, like if villian is cr his middling pairs and weak tp's. Thing is when theres draws available I often don't want to let villian realize his equity, but then I often tighten his range and lose out on value from air. How about clicking it back some of the time vs villians that are polar? don't we have to do this for the most part(if we're getting rematches etc) or then we're pretty much going to have to give up on all dry flops he contests since we're only flatting with our strength?
I'd check back flop with the K7 as standard, if your reasoning was to double barrel and bet/call this turn. If we were deeper I'd bet/fold somewhat smaller often to set up a triple barrel.
"Okay so if villian 3 bet shoves 25% and calls under 25% we can open ATC, but if we're folding the majority of the time we're at equilibrium, cause he's gaing 3 bb's 25% to our 1.5 50% of the time, on average,so I'm thinking its stil correct to have a strong limping range vs these opponents @ 20 bb and less. which would increase our equity from raising our junk. sound right?"I agree that vs someone of those 3betting numbers we should have a limping range, even if raising is "+EV" compared to folding, yep. Sounds like a good candiate for having a polarized raising range.
"J9xcc w AJo" - This is usually going to be a flop 3-bet because of how much we want to get draws and dominated Jx in. If he has the odds to call a shove with his draw, it's usually best just to jam and force him to get the rest of the chips in behind, rather than letting him pick and choose which boards to commit more to. This isn't always the case, though. Find some specific hands and we'll talk about them.The more polar he is, the more willing you should be to flat and/or 3bet small.
If out opponent's vpip is less then 50% oop, but is a super station post flop, what adjustments do you recommend? I find I have trouble since raising pre is + ev, but then post flop I usually have a decision of whether or not to bet my air. Since I can't barrel most of the opponents and my cbet isn't going to be +ev I think I'm forced to minr pre and cbh post often. At first I think I can try having a polar cbet range, and cbh my mrgnal equity hands which will allow me to continue to turn stabs, and still get to showdown. But if he simply won't fold then I'm going to have to cbh hands that have little equity.
This was pretty early on. I thought it was best to just call river. Readless here I think he has more str8 combos then 2 pair in range. $15/$30 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$1440.00 BBGrossPoker$1560.00 Effective Stacks: 48bb Pre-Flop ($45.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $60.00, GrossPoker calls $30.00 Flop ($120.00, 2 players) GrossPoker checks, Hero bets $60.00, GrossPoker calls $60.00 Turn ($240.00, 2 players) GrossPoker checks, Hero bets $140.00, GrossPoker calls $140.00 River ($520.00, 2 players) GrossPoker bets $330.00, Hero calls $330.00 Final Pot: $1180.00
I cbh here, its early on but he's made a couple of weird moves, and sizings by this time so I don't feel comfortable cbetting. CAn we call this turn? I've seen him make a bet size a few times so it seems pretty standard for him. I'm probably ahead of his stab range, although he's going to have decent equity here when I just call, and someone who'll use this sizing is probably going to be abe to 2 barrel. $15/$30 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$865.00 BBGrossPoker$2135.00 Effective Stacks: 29bb Pre-Flop ($45.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $60.00, GrossPoker calls $30.00 Flop ($120.00, 2 players) GrossPoker checks, Hero checks Turn ($120.00, 2 players) GrossPoker bets $90.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $210.00 GrossPoker wins $210.00 ( won +$60.00 ) Hero lost -$60.00
Villian calls 42% and 3 bet 21%. He cc 60% otf and cr 20% over an 80 hand sample. Now I wasn't actually expecting to many crs on this board, at this point and time from this opp. Its an extremely dry board and I figure to be ahead of his range so I go ahead and cbet. Would you float his cr here? Due to board texture and his cr frequency ? $15/$30 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBGrossPoker$1545.00 SBHero$1455.00 Effective Stacks: 49bb Pre-Flop ($45.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $60.00, GrossPoker calls $30.00 Flop ($120.00, 2 players) GrossPoker checks, Hero bets $60.00, GrossPoker raises to $180.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $360.00 GrossPoker wins $360.00 ( won +$120.00 ) Hero lost -$120.00
I have no real reads on villians river bet here. I just feel ingeneral its going to be a blocker/thin v bet. I cbh ott because that spade is going to scare off a ton of his range, but maybe I should be betting here? I don't have the read that villian is a station at this point, turns out he was a pretty big one at that. $20/$40 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$1635.00 BBrietzschi1$1365.00 Effective Stacks: 34bb Pre-Flop ($60.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $80.00, rietzschi1 calls $40.00 Flop ($160.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 checks, Hero bets $90.00, rietzschi1 calls $90.00 Turn ($340.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 checks, Hero checks River ($340.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 bets $80.00, Hero raises to $260.00, rietzschi1 calls $180.00 Final Pot: $860.00
villian had a 10% cr and had not really shown any aggressive tendencies up to this point, so I actually let this go on the turn. I just think that most people shut down with their air when called here. All Jx's are beating me, and he's calling 65% oop so theres a ton of 6x in range too. Turn bet is a bit suspicious with only 1 psb left, why not shove? If I call turn its to call off the river here, and I think his range is actually ahead so I fold. Too nitty? $25/$50 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$2015.00 BBrietzschi1$985.00 Effective Stacks: 20bb Pre-Flop ($75.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $100.00, rietzschi1 calls $50.00 Flop ($200.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 checks, Hero bets $100.00, rietzschi1 raises to $200.00, Hero calls $100.00 Turn ($600.00, 2 players) rietzschi1 bets $300.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $900.00 rietzschi1 wins $900.00 ( won +$300.00 ) Hero lost -$300.00
Should I fold to this minr? I 3 bet A10 because villian snap called my first 3 bet. In that hand he floated Qxxcc and folded to a turn barrel. This is 4 hands later I think. I think he's going to see me as having a wider cr range after having just 3 bet recently so I can see him wanting to float here or contest. In game I was thinking about checking here, but I also thought that it was super early on to make too many assumptions so I cbet. When he clicks it back I decided to peel just because his bluff range is so large here, I'm thinking. Should I have folded because it was early on? Should I have checked due to my previous 3 bet? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1605 SBmanueldenis1395 Effective Stacks: 47bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB manueldenis raises to 60, Hero raises to 180, manueldenis calls 120 Flop (360, 2 players) Hero bets 180, manueldenis raises to 360, Hero calls 180 Turn (1080, 2 players) Hero checks, manueldenis bets 435, Hero folds Final Pot: 1515 manueldenis wins 1515 ( won +540 ) Hero lost -540
"If out opponent's vpip is less then 50% oop, but is a super station post flop, what adjustments do you recommend? I find I have trouble since raising pre is + ev, but then post flop I usually have a decision of whether or not to bet my air. Since I can't barrel most of the opponents and my cbet isn't going to be +ev I think I'm forced to minr pre and cbh post often. At first I think I can try having a polar cbet range, and cbh my mrgnal equity hands which will allow me to continue to turn stabs, and still get to showdown. But if he simply won't fold then I'm going to have to cbh hands that have little equity." I'd still open a pretty wide range, but I think it's OK to give up on more flops and not c-bet in situations where you might otherwise, even with no showdown value. Stations also tend to be pretty passive, so you can decrease your c-bet size and expect to not induce too many bluffs, on a good amount of boars, which increases the expectation from c-betting.
Pretty damn weird river decision with the KT. I expect A2/62 to fold a lot on the turn, so you're really only worried about 76/slowplayed sets. I'd raise for value but it's pretty thin especially given the reduced number of plausible two pair combos with this runout.
A7 is close - I would generally call a street, but don't have a big problem with folding.
I would float the check/raise with AK, yes. Definitely if we had a club.
I'm OK with checking turn with the JT but it's really because you're likely only going to get one street of value against worse spades, I don't expect any of his pairs to call a bet if you check so I don't think the "scare card" aspect is that important. Checking does best against bigger spades of course. I'd make a smaller value raise on the end.
I fold the J4 as well, especially given reads. nh.The flop spot with the AT is always a funky one, peeling is going to be OK. We can have the best hand occasionally, he shouldn't have much 3x in his range, and we're obviously getting a great price to draw against Jx despite the fact that it's only 3 outs. He can occasionally have pocket pairs on this texture, too.
"Pretty damn weird river decision with the KT. I expect A2/62 to fold a lot on the turn, so you're really only worried about 76/slowplayed sets. I'd raise for value but it's pretty thin especially given the reduced number of plausible two pair combos with this runout."I was really thinking about raising for value, but if we raise here are we calling a shove? I'm guessing no? But it would be a super tough lay down considering what he's repping. I mean if he's donking two pair on this river can we assume he's not going to spazz shove over our raise for value?
I've been wondering in what spots should I be flatting a 3 bet w weaker aces. My understanding is that flatting something like a small suited Ax is fine vs certain 3 bet ranges. The clowns is incredibly aggro, I've seen him 3 bet 84. A lot of his 3 bet range is junk because he often flats his stronger hands, KK, AK, etc.. and he definitely flats most of his Ax. So his range is weighted towards bluffs and theres not going to be that much Ax in it that I should be fine to flat. He's 3 betting 23%. Is flatting Axs vs someone that is polar and is 3 betting 20% going to be okay? Thing is we get owned when an Ace flops and they have us outkicked, but does the times when we're up against his junk make a flat okay? Is the fact that he'll perceive our range to be a lot of Ax so when we do hit and he misses we're not going to get paid off anyways lean us to a fold? If so then maybe I should just revert back to throwing away A8s and below? Just not sure about this spot in general. And if I don't want to minr fold is limp calling these hands a decent option? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBTheClowns1720 SBHero1280 Effective Stacks: 32bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 80, TheClowns raises to 200, Hero calls 120 Flop (400, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero checks Turn (400, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero checks River (400, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 400
Now here is one of those spots where I get cr on and I'm not always sure about the correct course of action. In this specific instance it was pretty obvious. Clowns cr range is merged and he continues and gii with really really horrible equity. I remember watching a video where you say that clowns convinced you that he was good, so maybe he's been on monkey tilt or something for the past couple of weeks. So since he's raising merged there is going to be a ton of draws that I don't want to realize equity, a ton of worse 10's, 9's and other weird combo's he'll gii with. So I think my reraise here is fine, but my question is how to proceed on this flop vs various ranges. Vs a polar range should I just flat? I think that the problem with flatting this board is that even villians who tend to cr a polar range are going to be more weighted towards their top end. Strong draws and tens here. People tend to see this board as one that will be contested often, so its not going to be a good candidate to cr your air on as much. Do you agree? So in general think I'm going to be facing stronger draws and 10's. Against an oppenent that's cring this board to gii do we ever want to peel? If our oppenent is only cring hands he's willing to gii with a lot of those hands are going to be flipping with us, but the problem with peeling is there are a ton of turns that are going to be scare cards and I'm not really going to know how to continue. So I'm assuming in this spot we often want to reraise. If we had a weaker ten @ this stack depth I think peel and re-evaluate, but J10 is strong enough to gii here vs most. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1415 BBTheClowns1585 Effective Stacks: 47bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, TheClowns calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 60, TheClowns raises to 180, Hero raises to 450, TheClowns goes all-in 1525, Hero goes all-in 905 Turn (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 3000 Hero shows two pair, Tens and Nines TheClowns shows three of a kind, Nines TheClowns wins 3000 ( won +1415 ) Hero lost -1415
The clowns Cr's soo frequently he's at 40% over 372 hands, and he does it often on dry boards. So I peeled here. I'm wondering about the turn bet, and I know that if I do bet I should have made it even smaller, like 120. I'm not sure about it though. I doubt he ever expects me to cbh a king so my range looks weak when I cbh, he's able to vbet pretty thin, and he's super aggro and he might put me on a fd or Ax and bet river. His air does have some equity... yeah not really sure. I think that I can either cbh turn re-evaluate river, but I think a fold is going to be best against anything bigger then half pot? or bet 120 ott. The problem with his river sizing is that I almost expect vs most oppenents for their sizing to be smaller with their stronger holdings and bigger with their air, but I think that clowns overplays a lot of his holdings so I'm not really happy looking at a bet here otr, just don't know what his range is going to be like, half pot looks like a standard vbet and 3/4 looks like a clowns overplay, so betting turn 120 seems like my best option. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBTheClowns1590 SBHero1410 Effective Stacks: 47bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, TheClowns calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 60, TheClowns raises to 180, Hero calls 120 Turn (480, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 180, TheClowns calls 180 River (840, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 840
Here I butchered this hand. In 95% of the cases at this stack depth I'm ccing turn and river if no diamond comes off. But vs clowns I'm virtually sure he peels a turn raise with all of his K,Q,J, and maybe even 9 of diamonds.. So I raised turn for value. I think theres a few problems with this. The first is that clowns is happy to gii light, so he can ship with those hands I previously mentioned that I'm ahead of. Plus (and I realized this in game) wtf should I do otr? I think I should check and allow him to bluff, because nothing that I'm beating is calling that shove, so I think the shove is just total spew, I basically got myself in a crap spot and shoved it in cause for no reason other then being tilted at my turn play. So basically this hand is total spewtard. Anyways thought I'd post it, because I'm still wondering if there is any merit for a cr on the turn. I think I did it too big fwiw, and it should be a bit smaller. I'm pretty sure I want to deny express odds here and that I shouldn't be worried about implied. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1500 SBTheClowns1500 Effective Stacks: 50bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB TheClowns raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, TheClowns bets 80, Hero calls 80 Turn (280, 2 players) Hero checks, TheClowns bets 225, Hero raises to 630, TheClowns calls 405 River (1540, 2 players) Hero goes all-in 730, TheClowns folds Final Pot: 2270 Hero wins 2270 ( won +770 ) TheClowns lost -770
So here again clowns 3 bets me. And again he's got a pretty high frequency, slightly over 20% and he's either ridiculously polar or weighted more towards bluffs. When he checks otf I'm thinking I should bet, I don't want to give off free cards and I want to see where I'm at in the hand. I think knowing what I know now about the clowns play now that I would call a check shove, I'm not super happy about it but he semi bluffs so often that I think I'll have the equity to gii here. When he just peels I'm thinking that he's either trapping or that he's got weak SDV. I've seen him flat AK once, but that doesn't mean that he's not 3 betting those hands as well. So I think theres probably some strong Ax in range. Again I think my turn bet here is too big for what I want to accomplish, because I'm betting this turn for value and to protect. But something a little smaller shoud do the trick, and I'll get more value out of his Ax hand, in game I was actually going to fold the turn to a shove. My reasoning is that I think he'll just station it up with his sdv, if he's going to semi bluff he's going to do it on the flop, he has shown some slowplay tendencies, and so if he's check shoving here on the turn I think his range is way ahead. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBTheClowns1545 SBHero1455 Effective Stacks: 49bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, TheClowns raises to 180, Hero calls 120 Flop (360, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 180, TheClowns calls 180 Turn (720, 2 players) TheClowns checks, Hero bets 420, TheClowns folds Final Pot: 1140 Hero wins 1140 ( won +360 ) TheClowns lost -360
"I was really thinking about raising for value, but if we raise here are we calling a shove? I'm guessing no? But it would be a super tough lay down considering what he's repping. I mean if he's donking two pair on this river can we assume he's not going to spazz shove over our raise for value? "I think once we raise we have to sigh call off the shove.
Against someone with a healthy 3bet bluffing range, the A2s is going to be a jam preflop. I'm fine with flatting it if it were a bit less."Is the fact that he'll perceive our range to be a lot of Ax so when we do hit and he misses we're not going to get paid off anyways lean us to a fold?"I don't think this is really true. he's definitely going to c-bet ace high boards and a lot of people don't have much Ax in their flatting range (you really shouldn't vs his 3bet range.
I'd flat flop with the JT. We're not in great shape against his get it in range and I think we can make a better decision when seeing the turn and seeing his bet (and what size). If we were shallower, it'd be a jam.His play is simply atrocious.
With the A7..."so betting turn 120 seems like my best option."I agree. One cool thing is that you rep Kx really well, and a very small bet just continues to rep Kx, so you shouldn't have to deal with too many bluff raises. I also like a small turn bet for value or to fold out his equity.
With the A6, I agree I'm almost always c/c turn. If you have reads that he'll call raises really light, you can raise/call the turn. I also agree you should be checking the river. The hands he bets this size on on the turn are either way behidn you or ahead of you, there's not much value to be had.
A9 is again close to a jam pre - I'd be jamming AT for sure.I also think smaller or checking is better on the turn - good self-analysis.
Opponent was stationy and spazzy. Limped 55% of hands. I'm far ahead of his limping range but he'll limp call here often, and put me in tough situations. Should I be 3 xing here or is a jam fine? I guess we kind of want a lot of calls and we're still deep enough to play some poker so 3xing is probably better? If he limps Ax this should be a good spot to jam if he'll Limp call AI though I expect. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero2250 SBdaddysmoney19750 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is BB daddysmoney19 calls 25, Hero goes all-in 2250, daddysmoney19 folds Final Pot: 2300 Hero wins 2300 ( won +50 ) daddysmoney19 lost -50
1st hand in. I think I could have called ott there when he donks, and then fold the majority of rivers. I have a blocker for 108, and I think a lot of the time this is going to be some kind of hand that picked up a FD, although I also think that a lot of jacks might donk the turn to protect because the board has developed, also two pair donks here often. Either way looking at it I don't hate folding or peeling one card, but I'm not sure. If I were to peel it helps that we have a one card gutter. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBdaddysmoney191500 SBHero1500 Effective Stacks: 50bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, daddysmoney19 calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) daddysmoney19 checks, Hero bets 75, daddysmoney19 calls 75 Turn (270, 2 players) daddysmoney19 bets 120, Hero folds Final Pot: 390 daddysmoney19 wins 390 ( won +135 ) Hero lost -135
His vpip is only 55% so I think opening here is fine. My plan was to triple barrel this board. He cr 27% of the time and cc 45% of the time otf. I think he cc's are the weaker end of his range. So I'm putting a lot of 8x and 3x in range. A lot of gutters, and bkdoor combo draws. I expect to have to 3 barrel him off here. The donk on the river is weird. In game I was strongly considering shoving but I had timed down a bit too much, so I think he would have looked me up more. A lot of his draws missed... but I doubt he's donking missed draws. Two pair is a possibility, but really the only two pair that would take this line is 89, and possibly 39. So being much more weighted to an 8x blocker bet and bckdoor fd's I think I should have shoved.EDIT: I was just thinking about this hand. I'm pretty sure the reason I folded was my perceived range. i think that my perceived range is going to be a lot of Qx on this board, better hand readers will see me barreling my draws, but I'm not sure he vilian is a thinking player. Even if he sees me as barreling draws he'd probably check his 8x, and if my percevied range is Qx then it doesn't make too much sense for him to donk into me. It seems more like a value bet to me now. So all in all I'm kind of meh about this hand I guess. I think the fold is probably best now without reads that he'll block bet river, and I'm not sure if this runout is really a situation where villian will block bet often. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBmanimal1245 SBHero1755 Effective Stacks: 42bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, manimal calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) manimal checks, Hero bets 60, manimal calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) manimal checks, Hero bets 140, manimal calls 140 River (520, 2 players) manimal bets 300, Hero folds Final Pot: 820 manimal wins 820 ( won +260 ) Hero lost -260
If villian has a vpip hovering around 55% range, but 3 bets wide at what blind level do you start incorporating a polar open range? Do you ever incorporate limps above 30 bb? I don't really ever start limping until I reach 25 and below. usually not till around 20 bb. My reasoning is that up until 20 bb I can easily flat more 3 bets, and minr folding isn't as damaging a loss.
I think a jam pre is just fine/optimal with A8. With stronger aces, I'd 3.5x, but too much stuff can play really well limp/calling against a hand like A8. Add in the expectation from spazzcalls and I think it's a clear jam.I definitely think folding the turn with the T9 is a mistake. You have the best hand some of the time, and decent outs to improve when you don't. I think it's much closer with 96o, but not really a decision with T9.I like your thought process on the 42 hand, and definitely would not have shoved against this size donk bet.
"If villian has a vpip hovering around 55% range, but 3 bets wide at what blind level do you start incorporating a polar open range? Do you ever incorporate limps above 30 bb? I don't really ever start limping until I reach 25 and below. usually not till around 20 bb. My reasoning is that up until 20 bb I can easily flat more 3 bets, and minr folding isn't as damaging a loss."It depends on his 3bet sizing. Often, if a hand can't call a 3bet, put can call a 3x raise of a limp, limping is a very solid option. So hands like J8o, K7o, Q8o, stuff like that. I wouldn't think too much about stuff like "minraise/folding isn't as damaging a loss" - it's all about what has the best expectation, even if losing a couple bbs isn't that big of a deal at deeper stacks.
In my hh review you said you think that I 3 bet hands like Q10s too often and too large. In that instance I was playing against someone who I thought called 3 bets light. So what I was trying to do was open my value range. I think my reads were off all game. He didn't open too wide so that he should be able to flat my 3 bets a decent percentage of the time simply because his range is stronger. So in that case I shouldn't have been 3 betting Q10s. What about villians who open wide and call 3 bets light? In that case isn't Q10s a good hand to add to my value range? Is 2.5xing these hands along with my monsters good for balance? and then 3xing KJ, KQ, 99, 1010, and JJ. Is 2,5 x small enough to accomplish what we want with these hands or should I experiment with smaller 3 bets vs wide openers?
Still kind of unsure about flatting 3 bets in certain spots 76s would be my cut off in most cases. Villian is tight calls 20% and cr 15%. Him being tight is an argument for me calling. At a shorter stack depth I think its an easy fold, deeper I'd call. Here I think @ 25 bb its a bit grey. I have a lot of control over the match at this point and his range is far ahead here. If I had 87s I'd call but 76s I'm thinking is too weak. Too nitty? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1980 BBMaikel_B1020 Effective Stacks: 26bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 80, Maikel_B raises to 200, Hero folds Final Pot: 280 Maikel_B wins 280 ( won +80 ) Hero lost -80
Recently I've run into the situation where I'm BB w something like A5s and the small blind, who is a uber nit, 3x's 10-12 bb. Is it correct to fold here? Or is it always a jam? Doing some math against some nitty ranges it looks like a fold. If he's raise calling off stuff like J10s, Q10s its only a slight fold. If villian is opening the top 13.4% of his range(assuming he shoves 22-55) its -1.4 bb to shove. But this does not take into account card removal. SO I'm guessing that if I'm sure that he's that tight dropping these hands is okay. Do you think that we simply can't be that sure @ these depths? What about a total nits shoving range? It seems pretty clear to me now that I should be folding some of my aces if I think his range is that tight short eff stax. around 10 bb plus. But it seems like standard is you have an Ax at 10 bb its always a snap. Is there any reason I'm missing here? Is it simply card removal? Does card runners ev incorporate card removal? I'm still just learning how to mess around with it.
In Jhub's thread his 3 bet shoving range includes all premium aces as a standard. Which I think is great readless and I figure in turbos you'll have more people calling of shoves readless with weaker Ax's. In turbos where theres more of a 3 bet dynamic I still shove my premiums, but only if I think he's going to be calling off weaker ax's or wider. But if We have a dynamic where villain will flat wide even @ 16bb I think its going to be best to keep these hands in my non AI 3 bet range. Sound right?
How should our oop calling range differ from our 15-25bb being deeper 25-50bb? Atm I'm not really making any adjustments for deeper play. I remember Rypac telling me a long time ago, that when we're deeper, hands like K5 etc have worse expectation because of reverse implied odds. From your videos it seems that it was fairly recent where your idea about this changed and you've been flatting these hands early with good results. Would you say that now your 25 bb + oop calling range looks a lot like your 15-25 bb range?
Reviewing this I was unsure about the turn bet. Villian calls super wide otf. Preflop he calls 39% and flop he cc 67% and cr 33%. He often leads turn if I cbh otf or leads river when I cbh ott. I figure that I'm ahead of his range here a good amount and that if I cbh I'm going to have to call of a lot of rivers where he's going to be determining sizing, plus I give his overs a chance to realize their equity. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1455 BBQJdiamantes1545 Effective Stacks: 36bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 80, QJdiamantes calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) QJdiamantes checks, Hero bets 80, QJdiamantes calls 80 Turn (320, 2 players) QJdiamantes checks, Hero bets 160, QJdiamantes calls 160 River (640, 2 players) QJdiamantes bets 280, Hero folds Final Pot: 920 QJdiamantes wins 920 ( won +320 ) Hero lost -320
I've always had assumptions about playing AQ and AJ vs 3 bets early but never really taked at length with anyone. Early vs a 3 bet I'm jamming AQ, and flatting AJo, jamming AJs. Does that sound right?What I'm really interested in knowing is what sorts of dynamics do we want to be flatting AQ? Against villians who have a 20% polar 3 bet range I think that we should be flatting deep? My ideas concerning this come mostly from Ronintalken's 3 bet article. The way I understand it is that villians strategy plays best against us when we jam our premium hands and flat our middling holdings, since its easy for him to fold his trash and he can call of the top of his range no prob and often be in a dominating pos, or at least a flip. So incorporating AQ into our flatting range is best. Should we incorporate AK? I'm always a fan of jamming because at worst we'll be flipping but we crush his other Ax that will call AQ, AJ. once we get to around 25% I think we should simply be value shoving at this level simply because its hard for us to play poker at this depth with a bloated pot where villian has initiative. So the Ax hands that I'd fat become shoves, and middling range becomes limps. I think that a caveat here is that if villian is 3 betting a large portion of AX and calling off shoves, we should still jam AJ+.Vs opponents who open higher then 20%... 23-25 plus my thought is that we lose too much value from flatting so our premium Ax's become shoves.
"What about villians who open wide and call 3 bets light? In that case isn't Q10s a good hand to add to my value range? Is 2.5xing these hands along with my monsters good for balance? and then 3xing KJ, KQ, 99, 1010, and JJ. Is 2,5 x small enough to accomplish what we want with these hands or should I experiment with smaller 3 bets vs wide openers?"Opens wide and calls 3bets light is definitely the recipe for expanding your 3bet for value range, including QTs. I think 2.5-2.8x tends to be a bit better with these hands, but if your opponent is calling really wide, might as well get full value with 3x. I do think experimenting with smaller 3bets vs wide openers is a good idea, especially if they have a fold button.
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