Katipo Hyper Turbos vs SDoGOod Part III

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Here is part three in Katipo's series of games against SDoGOod on Black Chip Poker. Here, as in the second part, Katipo and SDoGOod are still battling it out at BCP's $600 level.

If you missed the first two parts originally or would like to watch them again, check here: part I ; part II

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is this dude serious

is this dude serious

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can you elaborate?

can you elaborate?

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I won't reply to toxic

I won't reply to toxic comments in the future but I will give the benefit of the doubt this time and address some of the YouTube comments. There are many bitter regs who hold a grudge vs me and I normally won't bother with comments written in an obnoxious tone.

lol at the comment beginning at 6:54: if I had a NAI3b sizing at >13bb deep (which is...idk...super useful and good to have), I'd use it...but I don't!  wheeeee ez game
this guy is no arronwilson, that's for sure

I'd argue that doing this even at 14bb may put you in rather unpleasant spots both post-flop and preflop. It's hard to create a reasonable na-i 3b bluffing range that shallow while also not being basically priced in after a 4b shove. Moreover, it will split your range and likely weaken your 3bS range (since you're forced to make the na-i 3b range stronger because you'll actually see a lot of flops with it). It becomes a huge mess trying to pull that off and I'm not convinced it's good as a general strategy even if you do. It would be best reserved for players still aggressively minraising (which is no longer that common).

It's also not just a matter of "omg I can't do this, too bad." It's that I showed a certain playstyle and changes have to be added factoring that in. If I suddenly just na-i 3b QQ after previously 3bS only, it's rather suspicious. The range changes have to be made considering the full impact and not for just a few nutted hands. Moreover, that was NOT even a 3b pot so that self-serving comment is fairly nonsensical. I said "if I had a non-allin sizing" and never mentioned anything about a 3-bet. 

sorry i'm getting annoying now but the 10:05 really butchered the concept behind why we want to include hands like 65s in our ~11bb open jam range under nash (it's not because "even if...you're not really winning when you're getting called, the fold equity should compensate..."), it has to do with how villain need construct his responsive range once he knows these hands are in ours

(there's a reason 65s is 20+ but 65o is 2-3 or something like that, and it isn't just the extra equity added from being suited--but this isn't the place to expound to far upon such the topic)

Keep in mind that this is a live play video and I don't have the luxury to go into excruciating detail every hand. When I say 65s plays "pretty well as all-in", I'm implying that despite being an underdog, 65s has reliable good equity vs a typical calling range. With just a little fold equity, it becomes an attractive shove and it doesn't seriously weaken your OS range either. If you were doing the same with 65o, your OS range would be more significantly weakened and that could allow a larger calling range for them. Please don't use quotes where you are just inserting your own words as someone else's.

The difficulty 65s creates in constructing response ranges is mostly a function of equity. Even though 65s is ahead of 22 or 33, it's not as if people will now fold these hands. I would be curious what specific difficulty you're referring to outside of the equity considerations. As you stated, 65o is a much worse open-shove.

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Keep in mind that the youtube

Keep in mind that the youtube comments can be pretty ridiculous. It's one of those sites, like say ESPN, that seems to attract aggressive and ignorant people to the comments.

Granted, there are legitimate questions and good comments and knowledgable people on youtube as well, but it's a smaller % in my 4+ years experience using it. The comments on this site and 2p2 are of a far higher quality, and far more polite on average (that doesn't mean there aren't ignorant or aggressive comments on both of those places too).

I wouldn't worry about it, if you look at what a lot of the negative people post all over the place, you'll see a pattern of aggressive attacks in their comments to others.

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You seem to have a lot

You seem to have a lot smaller (one third) c bet sizing than a vast majority of players that I play. If villian started to check raise or check call more often would your sizing change? I think a lot of players do not vary there bet sizing enough (including myself) against different opponents.

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The 1/3 cbet sizing is best

The 1/3 cbet sizing is best on bds which are strongly hit/miss. If villain c/rs a lot, then that is only an advantage for a 1/3 cbet sizing. Your smaller cbet makes their c/r smaller than normal (or they risk a lot to win little) and you have deeper stacks to play in position (often with their c/r giving you meaningful information). Smaller bet-sizes are actually a counteradjustment to frequent c/rs. By bloating the pot with a c/r, they fix one of the biggest disadvantages of smaller bet sizes - getting value.

The better adjustment from them is to call a lot more. In this case, especially if they aren't folding to barrels much, I'd want to increase my cbet size and add some check-backs for marginal showdown value (balanced with some stronger hands on occasion).

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Cheers for all replys I like

Cheers for all replys

I like the way the stacks are deeper with the smaller sizing. I do bet small on static flops but i think i can bet smaller

This was the video with the turn bet on the last video. Would have fold the river if a heart came on. It is hard to fold that river as if you folding non heart rivers you have to fold all heart rivers aswell although your call kind of hurts on the river? Is shoving the turn missing value and also missing to chance for villian to C/R bluff turn or bluff rivers ?