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Still have kind of a headache after a great St. Patrick's Day, so let me start with something simple.  I don't have any specific hand history for this, it's more a general question.Let's say we have a pretty solid read that someone is very loose-passive, limping a lot of junk and only opening (3x) premiums.  He also only bets or raises if he has the nuts or close to it.a) What's a decent enough sample size for this read to be accurate enough to laydown big hands ?b) What's our calling-range in the BB if he does open for 3x ?c) If we do call, is lead/folding flop with top pair a good strategy against an opponent like this ?  I mean, if he never cbets, but calls down very light, then our only way of getting value from him is donking into him for 3 streets, right ?d) What's our plan with AK / 99-JJ ?e) What's our getting-it-in range if we're below 20/15/10 BB ?I'm afraid, I've payed off these loose-passives way too much in the past, especially when we get shallower and they pretty much telegraph their hand strength.Jack 

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  Opponent was some random

 Opponent was some random Platinum-Stars, he opened pretty much all of his buttons so farPokerStars - $55+$2.50|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 playersHero (BB): 1,510.00SB: 1,490.00SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has Th AhSB raises to 60.00, Hero raises to 160.00, SB calls 100.00Flop: (320.00, 2 players) 3h 8s 3sHero bets 175.00, SB calls 175.00Turn: (670.00, 2 players) AcHero checks, SB bets 335.00, Hero raises to 1,175.00 and is all-in, SB calls 820.00 and is all-inRiver: (2980.00, 2 players) 5c  


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Horrible, horrible weekend so

Horrible, horrible weekend so far, and I'm away from the tables for at least a week after posting this.  Just a few more questions, these are more general nature again, not specific hands, hope that's ok.I've been thinking a bit about this session, and my biggest problem were with loose passive / trappy kind of guys, not the normal regulars.One guy was extremely loose passive, I've seen him call flop and turn for full pot with king high no pair no draw, for instance - but he never bet himself unless he had the nuts.  And I've also seen him put like 80% of his stack into the pot and then fold the river.  Against a guy like that, should I just jam turn for value - risking that he'll fold - or just bet full pot or a little over full pot, but not All-In, even if that sets up very weird stack sizes at the river with less than half a PSB left ?And what's our plan at the river if the scarecard hits and there's just about 1/3rd of a PSB left ?  Check/fold or throw away the match and let him win ?  Let's say we still have 650 chips left, so the pot is 1700.  Laydown a straight when the flush hits ?  The nut-flush when the board pairs ?  Top set after backdoor gutshot hit ?Then, some other guy started the match by overbet jamming a ton at the flop, he also showed them a few times and I saw that he had complete air.  But then, all of a sudden, he donked for about half pot, flatted my raise, donked again at the turn, flatted my raise again, then jammed the river.  I had Aces and snapped him off - of course, he had a set !  Should I have slowplayed instead or is it just bad luck ?  Then, in the rematch, he switched to check/calling super light, then all of a sudden overbet-jammed some river where all that could possibly beat me was a backdoor gutshot.Don't know, maybe I'm too stupid for this, maybe I just can't laydown good hands.And I'm also not very good at that trapping business myself:Some other guy constantly floated me in position in reraised pots, basically always bet the turn after I cbet flop and checked turn.  Then I got Aces, cbet some ragged low-card flop and checked turn - but this time, he checked back.  River was a blank, I checked again, hoping he'll fire a bet now - and ran into a set.I just have this feeling that whenever I see someone do crazy bluffs and spew around a lot of chips, then I don't give them credit for some weird runner runner type hand.Maybe I'm just running exceptionally bad, but that's like this entire year.Well, time for me to go to a bar and get drunk, good luck at the tables guys. 


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a) What's a decent enough

a) What's a decent enough sample size for this read to be accurate enough to laydown big hands ?Too general of a question, unfortunately, it depends on what type of big hand. Sample size is also a continuum, so there's no point in which it becomes a real read or anything like that. b) What's our calling-range in the BB if he does open for 3x?A lot of Ace-rag, king-rag stuff isn't playable anymore, but it doesn't really affect our play with hands like 87s, where the implied odds for when we hit are even bigger. Again, the exact calling range will depend on stack size and exact opening frequency. But in general, the value of high card plus low card type hands goes way way down, while strong suited connectors are still good to continue with. c) If we do call, is lead/folding flop with top pair a good strategy against an opponent like this ?  I mean, if he never cbets, but calls down very light, then our only way of getting value from him is donking into him for 3 streets, right ?I hate to give annoying answers, but I also like giving right answers :) It depends way too much on board texture and other things. Donking is a great strategy from someone who refuses to bet anything but the nuts, though. d) What's our plan with AK / 99-JJ ?3bet/get it in. Those are still way too strong. Even with 99 we still have >50% equity vs a reasonable top 10% of hands (66+,ATs+,KQs,ATo+,KQo) e) What's our getting-it-in range if we're below 20/15/10 BB ?Hate to give you another "depends", but we need more precise frequencies. In general though, any pair is still good 15bb deep but you can fold weaker aces, 10bb deep you can fold the very weakest aces.

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With the AT, I would probably

With the AT, I would probably just call the turn (and check/call river). We really want his bluffs to continue on the river rather than fold them out, and I don't expect very much 8x with this line. Jamming does a little better against Ax because it doesn't risk him making a hero check on the river, but I don't think that will happen that often.

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As for the last post, one

As for the last post, one piece of advice I can give you is that you're thinking way too generally about the game and not enough about the specifics of the situation. "Can I fold when the scarecard hits vs a loose passive?" is just way too general to be asking yourself in the way of a broad strategy. Start practicing evaluating individual situations and thinking about how to apply those situations to a general philosophy more effectively, because that seems to be a big leak of yours at the start of this training month.One way to do this is post different hands and your thought process about them, and we'll talk about the dynamics at play in each of the hands. That will help you think about when you're overgeneralizing.So find some good hands to post! :)

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Ok, found a few interesting

Ok, found a few interesting spots.  These were all from a short session where I only played one table, so I could fully concentrate on the game.This one was against some random fish.History:Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1530  BBSPANKY1161470  Effective Stacks: 147bb Blinds 5/10 Pre-Flop (15, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 30, SPANKY116 calls 20 Flop (60, 2 players) SPANKY116 checks, Hero bets 50, SPANKY116 calls 50 Turn (160, 2 players) SPANKY116 checks, Hero bets 120, SPANKY116 calls 120 River (400, 2 players) SPANKY116 checks, Hero bets 325, SPANKY116 folds Final Pot: 725After folding, he showed me 9sJs.Next hand, I flatted his 3x open in the BB, and check/folded to his pot-sized cbet on a rainbow Q4J board.Then, this hand happend, this was the 4. hand of the match. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1700  BBSPANKY1161300  Effective Stacks: 130bb Blinds 5/10 Pre-Flop (15, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 30, SPANKY116 raises to 90, Hero calls 60 Flop (180, 2 players) SPANKY116 bets 100, Hero calls 100 Turn (380, 2 players) SPANKY116 bets 160, Hero calls 160 River (700, 2 players) SPANKY116 bets 700, Hero .... ?I think the flop call with middle pair is pretty much standard this deep, and I also wanted to figure out whether he fires a 2nd barrel at the turn or just gives up in a reraised pot.Turn was interesting ... my thinking was that he doesn't have that much 6x in his range, while I could have floated his smallish 3bet with almost any two cards in position this deep.  So 6x should definitely be a decent part of my range, so getting raised when he bets would really suck.  So this should make his range pretty much polarized between 6x, good Kx and air.My plan here was to flat and then re-evaluate river - he didn't bluff his busted flush-draw that hand before, which made me believe that I'd probably see a cheap showdown by flatting here.I was also thinking about raising for a moment, but which worse hand could ever call me ?River .... well, the King pairing made it less likely that he'll actually have one.  And this sizing, for full pot, looked like either a full house or complete air.Hero call ... ?


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This one was against a shark

This one was against a shark - he has a 10% ROI with $100k total winnings on SharkScope.  No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBVULCAIN9991455  BBHero1545  Effective Stacks: 146bb Blinds 5/10 Pre-Flop (15, 2 players) Hero is BB VULCAIN999 raises to 30, Hero calls 20   Flop (60, 2 players) Hero checks, VULCAIN999 bets 30, Hero calls 30   Turn (120, 2 players) Hero checks, VULCAIN999 bets 70, Hero raises to 165, VULCAIN999 calls 95   River (450, 2 players) Hero bets 280, VULCAIN999 calls 280   Final Pot: 1010Did not want to c/r him at the flop with just a single pair this deep, but after turning trips, I wanted to get some value and protect my hand against draws.River was really tough - when I bet here and get raised, my hand is almost never good, but I also don't really rep a King with this weird line of check/calling flop and then check/raising turn, so there's a decent change he won't believe me and look me up.  There's also no draw that missed and he won't bet a weakish hand for value again on this river - so by checking, I basically give up and even have to be worried that I'm beat when he does bet.So bet / fold here for some thin value ?


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A couple of hands later.  He

A couple of hands later.  He opened close to 100% of his buttons so far, and I folded a decent amount.  I already bluff-3bet him before a few times, where he always folded.  After folding a few hands in a row, I thought it was a good spot to try it again ... but this time he called.Since he folded to 3bets before, I gave him a stronger than usual range here - should I still cbet this flop or just give up ?He did fold to my cbets a lot when I was at the button.Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBVULCAIN9991030  BBHero1970  Effective Stacks: 34bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB VULCAIN999 raises to 60, Hero raises to 150, VULCAIN999 calls 90   Flop (300, 2 players) Hero bets 165, VULCAIN999 raises to 390, Hero folds   Final Pot: 855 


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So far, he has been opening

So far, he has been opening almost 100% of his buttons and then cbet any flop.  I c/r a few of his cbets before, both with and without a hand, where he folded.My plan here was to c/r and snap it off if he comes over the top.But then, he checks back - I think that was even the very first time that he actually checked back a flop.And the turn is like the worst card of the entire deck.Problem is, if I check here, I basically turn my hand face up - he could barrel a ton and my hand basically just turned from the nuts into a bluff-catcher - so I decided to bet/fold this turn.After I rivered trips, I wanted to get some value from Jx, so I fired a bet.  I my sizing ok like this, maybe make it a bit smaller ?  And if he comes over the top and jams .... ?Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBVULCAIN9991125  BBHero1875  Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 30/60 Pre-Flop (90, 2 players) Hero is BB VULCAIN999 raises to 120, Hero calls 60 Flop (240, 2 players) Hero checks, VULCAIN999 checks Turn (240, 2 players) Hero bets 180, VULCAIN999 calls 180 River (600, 2 players) Hero bets 380, VULCAIN999 folds Final Pot: 980


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I think a little smaller on

I think a little smaller on the river with K5 is going to be best, the majority of his range is going to be Tx/9x and we'd like to make a smaller sizing to target those. It doesn't need to be too much less, though.I probably fold the river with the QJ, his line reps Kx perfectly and while it's hard to have, it's also hard for him to have pure bluff hands here after 3betting pre and choosing this turn size that doesn't really look like it's trying to force you out of anything.

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With the KT, I think your

With the KT, I think your evaluation of the situation is much too nitty. He can have worse kings, pocket pairs, and strong 6x, especially given your turn sizing, which I think is too small. I'd rather call turn and check/raise river than use this turn sizing, which announces the possible strength of your hand but doesn't get you a ton of extra value. After you take this line, though, you definitely need to bet on the river, and your sizing is fine. I'd be calling a small raise but folding to a big one.

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62s hand looks fine absent

62s hand looks fine absent further reads. I definitely prefer c-betting, but there's going to be a good amount of Jx in his flatting range and not a lot of draws to raise here. With the Q9, I think your turn sizing is a little too big - it valuetowns yourself against some Jx while causing more ace high/lower pairs to fold. But again, only by 40 chips or so. On the river your size is good. If he jams you shrug and call, he reps nothing and you have a very strong holding.

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Thanks a lot for your

Thanks a lot for your comments !I'll try to find some more interesting hands later.


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Just finished a really great

Just finished a really great session - didn't get much volume in, I think just 6 or 7 matches in total, but I'm up 5 buy-ins and feel I played very well - for the first time this year, actually :-)


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jack, this is just a comment

jack, this is just a comment on something you said in another thread, but in terms of finding hands to post, here's what I do:1. Play poker 2. ?????3. Have a hand come up where I'm curious about other directions it could have gone, paste it into a gmail thread along with maybe villain name and how far we are into the match, and then send it to myself. I also try to do some spots that aren't all-ins or massive pots.4. Keep going with the match.I find this works better for me than actually going back and trying to find hands.

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You also can mark hands with

You also can mark hands with Holdem Manager during you play.

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Just got an idea ... I'll get

Just got an idea ... I'll get some coffee and then intentionally sit a reg at lower stakes.  Just single-table against him, make comments smf mark hands while playing.


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Very interesting match and I

Very interesting match and I think I identified some leaks in his game.

opens very tight, mixes opens and limps, but seems to flat most of my openspot-sized cbets strong ?  chks back A-high and 2nd paircbets pot (60) on T34cc, I make it 200 and he jams for 1455 with ???limp/calls QJ, then flats F+T on Q44J for half pot each, vbets river for half potcalls cbets lightlimp/calls K9o at 11 bb effc/Rai with J9 on QJx when shallow3bets 80 to 240, then bets 265 into 480 with 405 behind and folds to shove on 94Jhh

I would have played some of these hands differently with these reads.  Unfortunately, he's not sitting anymore, my plan was to play him a 2nd time - with the reads that I developed in the first match.


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This was very early in the

This was very early in the match, one of the first couple of hands, so no reads yet.My idea here was that I did not want to check/call this down having no idea what he may have here.  Since he's a winning regular, I'd expect him to cbet this board with his entire range, so he could basically have almost atc here.  We're extremely deep and by check/calling here, I basically tell him that my hand can't withstand much heat.I also would not expect him to come over the top with anything that I beat, so I'd have a very easy laydown to a smallish 3bet, while I could still get some value from draws, 55-99 and random floats if he just flats.After he jams, I think that's a no-brainer fold.However, what's my calling range here ?  Would you also fold AT ?  This deep, I would not 3bet AT against an unknown for 150 bb.And let's look at this from his perspective - which value hands could I possibly have here that continue to a shove ?  Well, that's only 33, 44, T3 and T4 - maybe 34.  All that junk is definitely in my flatting range at 150 bb, and I'd 3bet him with TT+.But I'd also c/r him here with a lot of hands like good Tx, combo draws, etc.So was this a good jam on his part ?And if it was, then I should call here with AT ... ? SB Villain 1485BB Hero 1515Effective Stacks: 149bb Blinds 5/10Pre-Flop (15, 2 players)Hero is BB Villain raises to 30, Hero calls 20 Flop (60, 2 players) Hero checks, Villain bets 60, Hero raises to 200, Villain goes all-in 1455, Hero folds Final Pot: 1775


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Same opponents, a few hands

Same opponents, a few hands later.  He has been opening very tight so far and also limped a few hands.This is the weakest Qx that I'd raise a limp with, but I felt that QTo dominates a lot of his junk that he might limp/call with while he most likely opens everything that dominates me.The cbet on this dry flop is standard, I think.  Turn adds some draws, though it's a bit unlikely that he actually has any of these after limp/calling and flatting this flop.  However, I was still feeling my hand was good against random A-high etc. floats or smaller pairs, so I wanted to get some additional value.Really didn't like that river card and his bet really screamed value to me.  However, he doesn't really rep anything here besides a randomly floated heart draw.  Look him up here ?SB Villain 1745BB Hero 1255Effective Stacks: 126 bbBlinds 5/10Pre-Flop (15, 2 players) Hero is BB Villain calls 5, Hero raises to 50, Villain calls 40Flop (100, 2 players) Hero bets 50, Villain calls 50Turn (200, 2 players) Hero bets 100, Villain calls 100River (400, 2 players) Hero checks, Villain bets 200, Hero ???


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Towards the end of the match,

Towards the end of the match, I already had the read that he checks back weak hands on the flop and that he likes to slowplay.Should I better lead this flop for value and protection since he does not seem to cbet weaker hands ?  As played, the turn is standard, I think.However, the river is a really tough spot.In hindsight, I think check/calling is really terrible here against this guy.  Check/folding also looks a bit too weak, so I think bet/folding is best here, what do you think ?SB Villain 1585BB Hero 1415Effective Stacks: 35bbBlinds 20/40Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is BB Villain raises to 100, Hero calls 60Flop (200, 2 players) Hero checks, Villain checksTurn (200, 2 players)  Hero bets 100, Villain calls 100 River (400, 2 players)   Hero checks, Villain bets 220, Hero ??  


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OK, cool, some things to talk

OK, cool, some things to talk about here. First of all, the T9 hand. I really, really hate check/raise/folding on this board: He's just destroying you with his flush draws when you play it this way. Secondly, I think your reasoning is really flawed when you say that if you check/call, he knows your hand can't withstand much heat. If that's so true, then check call and call him down!!! If you're that worried about getting bluffed out a big frequency, if you really think that's so big of an issue, then that means it's actually correct to call him down. If it's not correct to call him down, then he's not bluffing all that much and you shouldn't worry so much about it in your flop decision. Do you see why that makes sense?I would check/call the flop bet. If we had AT here, I would probably check/raise/get it in.

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Very easy call with the QTo

Very easy call with the QTo on the end, we're chopping a large amount of the time, he's bluffing sometimes, has Jx sometimes even, has better occasionally too, but you'd expect a bigger size usually. Folding would be pretty bad.

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With the A7, I'm not that big

With the A7, I'm not that big of a fan of leading flop, he should still c-bet flop with all of his air which is very valuable to you. I think the turn bet should be bigger, around 150 - he's never folding a pair (other than small pps) and pairs are the vast majority of his continuing range. I think the river is a pretty simple bet/fold: The 3 is a blank, and there are still tons of worse pairs to get value out of. As played, though, you definitely have to call this sized bet, you're basically banking on a weird slowplay or a rivered weird two pair in order to fold, to a sizing that's not particularly strong. Again, if you check I think this is a super simple call - I think this might be something to look at in your game, making too many hero folds with top pair to smallish river bets that have a far wider range, not understanding that you only need to be good 25% of the time here and you're definitely good that often.

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Cool, thanks a lot for your

Cool, thanks a lot for your comments !I've one question regarding that A7 hand, though:After I developed this read that he will not cbet air or 2nd pairs (he had Q3o here), would leading be better in this case ?  Or should I just think that I'll most likely get at most two streets of value from Qx anyways, so I won't lose anything by checking ?


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It depend how solid your read

It depend how solid your read is that he won't cbet air very often at all. Given that read, leading is good.

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Looks like no fish wants to

Looks like no fish wants to play with me tonight - neither at Cereus nor at Merge.And I'm done reading this excellent trip report: http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50799 - it's really worth reading it all :-)  Thanks a lot to mjw006 for posting this !However, I think I'll end this little experiment soon and go back to Stars.  I'm still a bit scared of going back and unsure whether I should actually do it - but I think I really need to post some recent hands from Stars during this training month.There's one thing I really learned from this little Cereus experiment - and Mers just totally confirmed it last night with his excellent article - I suck terribly at the endgame !I played some lower stakes super turbos just for training purpused this week - the $20's were kinda ok, but I got completely destroyed at the $35's and lost a ton of money there.  Lucky me, I also ran like god in the normal turbos at $50-$80 at the same time, so I'm now up $1500 in total, which is really, really cool :-)But no more super turbos for me !I just reached $2500 total again tonight (had $4k at New Year's Eve), which means that I can now play some $55 4-mans at Stars again and even take some shots at the $100's again pretty soon.No matter whether I'll go back to Stars are stay at Cereus, I'll absolutely keep single-tabling for a while - it worked out so great for me, and I also realized that I wasn't really paying attention to my opponent's tendencies in the past, especially their bet sizing.  This got a lot better with single-tabling, taking breaks between the matches and only playing short sessions.


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First hand against

First hand against unknown:What's my line here, jam turn with pair + flush draw + overcard ? Hero 1500BB 1500 Effective Stacks: 150bbBlinds 5/10 Pre-Flop (15, 2 players)Hero is SB Hero raises to 30, WTIINC140 raises to 50, Hero calls 20 Flop (100, 2 players) Villain bets 100, Hero calls 100 Turn (300, 2 players) Villain bets 300, Hero calls 300 River (900, 2 players) Villain bets 900, Hero ... ???? 


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Back at Stars, and I blindly

Back at Stars, and I blindly jumped into some 4-man without looking who was sitting, so this happened .... No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55.00+$2.50 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1705 BBFrankThomas81295  Effective Stacks: 43bb Blinds 15/30

  • Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB

Hero raises to 60, FrankThomas8 raises to 165, Hero calls 105

  • Flop (330, 2 players)

FrankThomas8 bets 165, Hero raises to 420, FrankThomas8 goes all-in 1130, Hero calls 710

  • Turn (2590, 2 players, 1 all-in)
  • River (2590, 2 players, 1 all-in)
  • Final Pot: 2590


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In the AJ hand...why would

In the AJ hand...why would you jam turn???????????????????????No hand that you're ahead of is folding, the only worse hand that's (maybe) calling is like KJ, and you have sick equity vs. the range that is ahead of you.On the river...ask yourself what his range is pre, and how often the part of that range you're ahead of is barrelling off post. The answer has to be roughly 30% for you to call, and I'm pretty sure you're not there.

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In the FrankThomas hand, your

In the FrankThomas hand, your flop play is good if he  is 3betting a wide range pre and cbetting most of it on the flop. I think that the first is true, but I'm not sure about the second part on this board. He would know that people LOVE to raise draws and pairs on this type of low board, and it's hard for a normal 3bet flatting range to NOT have a draw or pair here. KT/KQ/KJ are the only hands that don't. On the other hand, the only part of his 3betting range that hits anything here is pairs.If he's expecting to get raised on the flop a lot, raise/calling gets a lot worse, but I'm not sure of that. But the thing in favor of flatting here is that I think it plays best vs. his whole range. We have 31% equity vs. 88-AA (the part that crushes us), which pretty much gives us direct odds to flat.  While the 6 sucks (worse implied odds on a 7 hitting), we IMPROVE those implied odds (imo) by flatting flop. Also, if it does turn out that he is cbet/giving up with AQ/KQ type hands, we have sick implied odds when a Q hits.Basically I think that if we don't know his cbetting range, our hand is too strong vs. his whole cbet range to need to raise him off trash/whiffs, and too weak vs. his jamming range to want to raise/call vs. that part. Willing to be corrected here though. 

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Yeah, that makes sense. I was

Yeah, that makes sense.I was basically thinking oesd plus two overs == 14 outs plus fold equity, but didn't consider that a good player's cbetting range on a board like this is mostly strong.He had A8, btw. - so I actually had 14 outs against his particular hand, but now I'm really worried that I might have caught him with the bottom end of his range here.


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Well, the main thing it shows

Well, the main thing it shows you is that he was expecting to get raise/called by most draws and pairs, which means he might play his air a bit differently on this board.His play is fine as long as you're raise/calling it off with your gutter+over hands and straight draws, which a lot of people will do.  I'm not sure whether regs will raise worse 8x though, but he clearly thinks they will.

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As rmi points out, I think

As rmi points out, I think the AJcc is a great learning point on the turn. For the most part, raising should be justified in terms of getting better hands to fold, or getting worse hands to call. Neither of those things is going to happen very often. Yes, we have a lot of equity, but when you raise with a lot of equity it should be to accomplish one of those two things.I'm folding the river without thinking too hard about it. Remember that all our glorious equity on the turn didn't get there, so our hand is basically a bluffcatcher. Especially given the small 3bet pre and bet/bet/bet line, I think he's going to have it too much, and we should fold.

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I think the flop decision

I think the flop decision with the JT is really close - if it were a 982 board, I'd definitely say raise/call it off, but as rmi alludes to on the 986 board, a lot of regs won't c-bet this board very wide. In addition, when they do c-bet, they often shut down on the turn with AK type stuff and give you a great opportunity to take the pot away even when you don't hit. I don't hate raise/calling, though.

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This guy seems to be a top

This guy seems to be a top MTT winner; he's 76% over 19k @ $26 / +$173k ability 86, but he only played a handfull HUSNG's.He sat me at $115, I was only single-tabling, thus closely paying attention.First blind level was pretty much just trading blinds, he opened 3x, I minraised close to 100% of my buttons.  Got 3bet maybe 3-4 times, where I folded, but mostly could take it down either pre- or at the flop.He also 3x'ed it first hand at 15/30 full stacks and folded to my 3bet.  After that, he tightened up significantly at his button, folded really a lot, but kept his 3x opening size.  I 3bet him once more where he folded, then he limped his button once and folded to a turn stab, then minraised his next button where I folded.  After that, he went back to folding and 3x'ing.This was the first hand at 25/50. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 115 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (BB) (t1845)SB (t1155)Hero's M: 24.60Preflop: Hero is BB with K, QSB bets t150, Hero calls t100Flop: (t300) Q, 2, A (2 players)Hero checks, SB checksTurn: (t300) J (2 players)Hero bets t175, SB calls t175River: (t650) 9 (2 players)Hero bets t310, SB calls t310Total pot: t1270After he checked back this flop, I didn't put him on the Ace, so I decided to go for some thin value.  My plan was to bet/fold here.  Is my sizing ok or should I make it bigger because of the many draws ?After he just flatted and both flush draws missed, I wasn't sure whether to bluffcatch or bet myself for value.


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This forum really sucks wrt.


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Looks like I can finally win


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http://www.husng.com/content/

http://www.husng.com/content/how-post-hands Make sure you've read that.

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With the KQ, I would 3-bet

With the KQ, I would 3-bet pre unless he's gotten really tight with his 3xing. It's a great spot for a go-and-go. As played, I like your line and sizings. 

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I agree completely with the

I agree completely with the 2+2 commenter in the QT hand :)

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/55-fd-2-ocs-vs-pot-si...I would also raise turn with no reads that this is an unusual sizing from him, probably just a little bit bigger sizing. I'd probably flat on the end.

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Thanks a lot for your quick

Thanks a lot for your quick replies !As for posting hands, I had this "Filtered HTML" option turned on ... trying with full HTML.This one is against a calling statation.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110+$5Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1490  SBBIGBADBRAD581510  Effective Stacks: 75bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB BIGBADBRAD58 raises to 80, Hero calls 60    Flop (160, 2 players) Hero checks, BIGBADBRAD58 bets 80, Hero raises to 220, BIGBADBRAD58 calls 140    Turn (600, 2 players) Hero bets 400, BIGBADBRAD58 calls 400    River (1400, 2 players) Hero goes all-in 790, BIGBADBRAD58 calls 790    Final Pot: 2980


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Villain was a huge donkey, he

Villain was a huge donkey, he was very spewy and already ran a few bluffs before - nothing All-In, though.Do I snap this off with 2nd full house, or laydown and wait for a better spot ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110+$5 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1500  BBDonSnowmen1500  Effective Stacks: 75bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, DonSnowmen calls 40    Flop (120, 2 players) DonSnowmen checks, Hero bets 100, DonSnowmen calls 100    Turn (320, 2 players) DonSnowmen checks, Hero checks    River (320, 2 players) DonSnowmen goes all-in 1340, Hero goes all-in 1340    Final Pot: 3000


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And finally, I can win at

And finally, I can win at Stars again :-)1443 VPP in one afternoon - and I'm up quite a bit !BR now at $3788 ... and I payed this coaching from it, which means ... yes I did it !  I'm back at New Year's Eve !And this time, no more crazy chasing Platinum Stars or SuperNova before August - if I can make that, fine, if not, then so be it.  Making money and actually beating the $115 is far more important for me at the moment.Off to the pub, and tomorrow I'll do a study day, without any playing.Have a nice weekend,Jack


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I'd check/raise bigger with

I'd check/raise bigger with the A8 especially against a station. River decision is going to be a weird one, but I think jamming is OK.

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I'd fold the river with KK

I'd fold the river with KK without thinking too hard about it.  We have a bluff catcher and he has plenty of Ax in his range.

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Nice job on the stars

Nice job on the stars winnings! :)

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Thanks !  Played another

Thanks !  Played another short session, and finished it 5:0 :-)I've read your great article about people who're 3betting wide and the same thing happend to me tonight.  He 3bet my first 3 buttons, then folded a hand and flatted my next button.  After that, I got Queens.  What's my plan here, should I just jam or 4bet - and to which size ?  And then the horrible flop came ... No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110+$5 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1250  BBtolrock61750  Effective Stacks: 63bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, tolrock6 raises to 140, Hero raises to 380, tolrock6 calls 240 Flop (760, 2 players) tolrock6 checks, Hero goes all-in 870, tolrock6 folds Final Pot: 1630


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Very early in the match

Very early in the match against some random fish.I think I played it fine on flop and turn, but was a bit unsure whether to jam the river or bet this size. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110+$5 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1550  BBMichabom1450  Effective Stacks: 73bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Michabom calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Michabom bets 40, Hero raises to 140, Michabom calls 100 Turn (360, 2 players) Michabom checks, Hero bets 280, Michabom calls 280 River (920, 2 players) Michabom checks, Hero bets 535, Michabom calls 535 Final Pot: 1990


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