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Ellzebub's picture
river cards I can bluff in this spot?

Villain had 3bet 4 times in the first 15 hands, this was my first 3bet of the match and i felt villain could easily call with a wide range due to how aggressively he was playing, so when he flats the flop I instantly put him on a weak pair, draw or overcards.

I think I played this hand slightly bad due to villains preflop raise size throwing me off a bit. Looking at the hand I feel like I should have bet the turn smaller, maybe like 240. I bet the turn planning on jamming the river on any card that I improved on for value, but when thinking of good cards for a river bluff only a Q, A or deuce come to mind and I am unsure of the ace or deuce, what river cards should I be betting here that don't improve my hand.

Any advice appreciated, I'm a bit lost in this spot.

Thanks

 

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players • PokerStars
$14.39+$0.61

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight.com

SB Villain 1425  
BB hero 1575  

Effective Stacks: 48bb

Blinds 15/30

  • Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB
  • dJdK
Villain raises to 68, hero raises to 165, Villain calls 97
  • Flop (330, 2 players)
  • c7s5d4
hero bets 180, Villain calls 180
  • Turn (690, 2 players)
  • dT
hero bets 330, villain calls 330
Dipl.Komp.'s picture
just personal taste: i like

just personal taste: i like my first 3bet of a match to be a bluff usually (except i have a real premium hand of course), because the first 3bet tends to get more credit in general.

 

another reason why i don´t like 3betting at this depth with broadways is that they play horribly OOP when you miss. if the board comes down AQ3, you´ll cbet and villain folds, but if the board comes with at least two lows, a halfway competent villain will float you with any2. whereas if you 3bet 76s, you can credibly rep high boards and succesfully bluff, plus if the board comes low, you have playability, because you actually hit the board.
 

plus: i wouldn´t like villain to fold J3 to a 3bet here. if the board comes J8622, you´ll more often than not stack an aggressive opponent.

 

as for the river: i´d probably give up on any card but one of my 15 outs.

 

cheers

s.

Ellzebub's picture
Thanks,Can I ask why you

Thanks,

Can I ask why you would give up on a queen?

This seems like the perfect card to bluff to me, and after investing so many chips are we not burning money by not shoving on that card. Villains range is so weak in this spot and mostly consists of busted draws and weak pairs, all of which are not calling a river jam. If he has the queen then so be it. In the long run I think it is going to be far more profitable than c/folding. 

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
you´re right. a queen is

you´re right. a queen is actually a good card for you. it´s pretty much read dependant if you want to barrel on a queen. if you have the typical calling station who will call a river shove with 85, well, you´d better give up if you miss.

 

cheers

s.

4 card brett's picture
give up on the river if u

give up on the river if u don't improve

a queen plays into your range but it also plays into villains range too especially if he is floating flop / turn with over cards

the KJ hero has will sometimes be good if the river goes c/c

considering villain could have a set here too i think its best just to give up hope for a showdown and hope u win

adam25185's picture
Hi there Ellzebub First

Hi there Ellzebub

First point, your preflop sizing could be a little bigger. I would not expect many folds for only 97 chips more. You could argue it's good to price your opponent in with a hand that flops well, I suppose. We get a low flop, which is typically bad to cbet as a bluff against a recreational player. If villain is a reg, I could still cbet however.

While we pick up equity on the Td turn, it's not a card which will typically scare our opponent all that much, as it doesn't really hit our 3betting range all that much. An ace (or possibly a king) would really be much better to bluff here, especially if it's a diamond. Personally, I would c/c on Td; I don't know if that's a mistake.

On the river, we're really looking for a card that doesn't coordinate with the board. If we had a value hand, we would slow down on a 6, 3, or 8 and repping a straight is not very plausible, since we 3bet preflop. 

Hope this helps. Be interested to hear your comments guys.