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Laroutchezxz's picture
Questions about a limped pot OOP

I have 3 specific question about that hand.  The villain(Jon) is decent low stake and seem a little tight at this point of the match.

1)Is it decent or standard to allow him to limp, without significant postflop eadge from both of us
2)Should i lead bet this flop
3)I have problem with this turn specially because i'm OOP, i naturally tend to check call but i think its not as good as it seem

for the river i think it's a standard check call because he bet so small   but let me know if Im wrong

PokerStars Game #39252437135: Tournament #283011074, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round VI, Level V (30/60) - 2010/02/05 0:03:11 ET
Table '283011074 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JonKatePlus8 (1790 in chips)
Seat 2: Laroutchez (1210 in chips)
JonKatePlus8: posts small blind 30
Laroutchez: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Laroutchez [7s Kc]
JonKatePlus8: calls 30
Laroutchez: checks
*** FLOP *** [6h 7c 4h]
Laroutchez: checks
JonKatePlus8: bets 120
Laroutchez: raises 180 to 300
JonKatePlus8: calls 180
*** TURN *** [6h 7c 4h] [Ac]
Laroutchez: checks
JonKatePlus8: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 7c 4h Ac] [6s]
Laroutchez: checks
JonKatePlus8: bets 180
Laroutchez: calls 180
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JonKatePlus8: shows [6c 5d] (three of a kind, Sixes)
Laroutchez: mucks hand
JonKatePlus8 collected 1080 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1080 | Rake 0
Board [6h 7c 4h Ac 6s]
Seat 1: JonKatePlus8 (button) (small blind) showed [6c 5d] and won (1080) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 2: Laroutchez (big blind) mucked [7s Kc]

xSCWx's picture
Bet/call on this turn is

Bet/call on this turn is infinitely better than any other line. Your hand is crushing his flat calling range on the flop and the ace turn is basically a blank in a limped pot. The rest of the hand looks fine to me.

Laroutchezxz's picture
Ok , when he flat my check

Ok , when he flat my check raise on flop , i cannot just shut down and give him a free card on river because my hand is relatively strong and he his probably on a draw or a weaker pair . It's definitely a bet on this turn.

Thank you so much  , its look simple but I was wrong by omit to think about is range when he just flat my check raise on flop. I think its the main factor to choose the line for the rest of the hand.

jackoneill's picture
Shouldn't we also bet this

Shouldn't we also bet this flop instead of trying the c/r ?

If we could expect our opponent to bet this flop, then of course the c/r is a lot better, but I really don't want him to check back since so many bad cards can hit on the turn.

I'd always bet this unless I had the read that he's stabbing at most limped pots.


jackoneill's picture
Regarding your question

Regarding your question 1):

No, you shouldn't raise his limp with this hand at these stack sizes, you only hurt yourself by building a huge pot oop with such a weak hand.


Laroutchezxz's picture
Yes , i agree that the stack

Yes , i agree that the stack size is not so deep.

Personnally , I'm a low stake  beginner and I think   the 15-20BB zone give me a lot of problems. Im working on that.

jackoneill's picture
Well, in theory, 20 bb

Well, in theory, 20 bb should be easier than 50 bb or deeper - simply because your opponent doesn't have such great implied odds anymore.

The deeper you are, the more position matters.

Raising someone's limp deepstacked is really terrible because they guy can simply flat your raise with his entire range and then play a bloated pot in position against you.  You really don't want to be in a huge pot out of position with a weak hand.

However, once stacks get shallower, attacking limps becomes a lot more profitable because your big blind becomes a substantial part of your stack.  At 15-20 bb, he also can't call you with trash anymore - hoping to hit two pair against you - and if you make him fold a few times, you already make a profit.

If you do want to attack someone's limp, you should do it with hands that play well post-flop and that aren't easily dominated.  If we were deep, I'd rather raise a limp with 78s than with KJo.


ZAndlamb's picture
  If hes tight leading the

  If hes tight leading the flop is the right idea, we never want him to check back and see any turn pretty much, any 3,5,8 or even an overcard is going to look very ugly. And we are never getting floats from a naked ace on this flop so all we have to worry about is exactly A5-A7 on the A turn, so definitely fire the turn for value vs pair+gutshot, pair+oesd etc. River c/c is fine the bet is so small relative to the pot, although fold can be reasonable depending on reads and perceived tightness of villain.

 

vald3s's picture
Hey

What site do you play? 20+2$  10% rake is not the best rake size, what do you think about it? I was playin a while too on a site with 10% rake, don't do very well though, even against fishy players

WBR's picture
Cmon, it's PokerStars, but

Cmon, it's PokerStars, but it's not usual HUSNG, it's HU MTT, 10% rake is standard