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HUwnb's picture
Q8s against station

So the villain is huge station, call oop 100%, i.e call flop. 35o 9TKr board , mindonked some weak pairs, only floated all street with JT ip at TQ358r board. First "harder" agression...stats: PFR 33%, limp 67%20/40 BlindsSB (t940)Hero (BB) (t2060)Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 8SB calls t20, Hero checksFlop: (t80) 10, Q, 3 (2 players)Hero bets t60, SB raises to t120, Hero calls t60Turn: (t320) 9 (2 players)Hero checks, SB bets t200, Hero ?

happy's picture
you know he calls oop 100 %

you know he calls oop 100 % but not his sb tendencies?pre:as a standard i'd raise limps with Q8s flop: i'd c/r here most people tend to bet in limped pot. that being said i do not hate leading since i have seen people call down vs leads with a really weak range but still prefer c/r. when he raises i think reraising to 250-300 is the best play as it allows him to spazz or call in case hes doing seomthing wierd with like Tx. as for his range do you expect him to be limping weaker Qx?.turn: as played im just letting him barrel not folding many rivers  

HUwnb's picture
sb his limping 100%, seen him

sb his limping 100%, seen him limping A8o and JTo. Mostly checks and did that minbet once when I checked paired board. And that JT chk flop behind when got mp, called turn undercard to T and also river undercard. I know he can't have much here but since limped all he's hand and shown first real "harder" agression I took that line, thought I had a decent edge on this guy... So maybe 3bet would still be better??

ka5321's picture
i think its a bet/call flop,

i think its a bet/call flop, and check/fold turn, except on 8,Q boards...if u coin villain a station.. then, when he does raise, its 100% for value. ur QX top pair range clearly diminishes in value, as its now just bluffcatching villain on turn...i really dont think its a bluff, due to villains tendencies.. if his limping range is 67%, hands like AQ, is totally possible in his limping range, which he used to trap u with... the most optimal line vs this station, is bet/call to evaluate another street. if unimproved, fold...since he's clearly not turning his TX or 3X into bluffs, as we can see from earlier hand where he called you down with TJ second pair, on TQ358 board....when he does raise flop, its so polarized, weighted towards nuts... basic calculation of villains value range here vs 8Q  38,610  games     0.000 secs     7,722,000  games/sec Board: Tc 3c QdDead:    equity win tie      pots won pots tied Hand 0: 14.351%   13.08% 01.27%          5049      492.00   { Qs8s }Hand 1: 85.649%   84.37% 01.27%         32577      492.00   { AQs, KQs, QTs+, T3s, AQo, KQo, QTo+, T3o }these hands tht i set as villains value range is clearly within villains limping parameters, as he's limping even hands like 39s 67% limp range:(22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,93s+,84s+,74s+,64s+,53s+,A2o+,K2o+,Q4o+,J6o+,T6o+,96o+,86o+,76o)