Hi I come from a cash game background (bumhunting NL100) but college is starting tomorrow and I really don’t have time to bumhunt all day long any more, so I decided to learn something new. So here I am taking shoots with Hyper HU SNGs on Stars. I chose them because I can play them even when I have 1 hour free slot between classes (can’t really bumhunt cash only for 1h :D). I have a little bit of HUSNG background played regular HUSNGs on Stars and double stacked on FTP. Results this year (first 2/3 is FR, and then the summer started and I began to bumhunt HU) A few FTP HUSNGs last year: If I’m honest I’m a little bit scared of Hyper tournaments, but I’m slowly digesting Mers’ videos and now I have so many new articles to study. Hope I’ll have inaf knowledge to start playing them soon. Don’t know yet on which limits should I start, probably really low: 15$ or even 7,5$ for a few hundred tournament (it’s not BR issue, I just don’t want to spew money around and would like to get the feel for the game). I’ll be posting hands, results and some thoughts in this thread. That’s it for now. GL to everybody!
Welcome! Definitely feel free to throw a few questions in my thread as well :)
Crazy stuff 10BI up 10 BI down. I'm armed with all the printed charts from articles, looking them all the time, like i'm playing poker for the first time. Feels like I'm fliping coins all the time. First hadn it's vs str8 forward player, didn't do anything fancy till now. On the river I'm getting really good odds but don't know if I'm good. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBAlania.85560 BTNHero440 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 40, Alania.85 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Alania.85 checks, Hero bets 40, Alania.85 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Alania.85 checks, Hero bets 120, Alania.85 calls 120 River (400, 2 players) Alania.85 bets 240, Hero folds Final Pot: 640 Alania.85 wins 640 ( won +200 ) Hero lost -200 Second hand against big droler could i really fold with geting great odds to call? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBstelkokk720 BTNHero280 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 40, stelkokk calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) stelkokk checks, Hero bets 40, stelkokk calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) stelkokk checks, Hero bets 120, stelkokk calls 120 River (400, 2 players) stelkokk bets 320, Hero calls 80 Final Pot: 800And the third hand, it was the 4th hand of the match really wanted to call and see what he had.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBarhidose490 BTNHero510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 40, arhidose calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) arhidose bets 450, Hero folds Final Pot: 530 arhidose wins 530 ( won +40 ) Hero lost -40
Really awful spots. Have alot of porblem with them to.I think: Hand1 : Fold. Cant see him do this with worse 1pair/busted draws.Hand 2 : Call since we have so little behindHand 3: Readless I look at this like villain protecting his eq. Would fold.
Hand 1: Agree that a fold is best. People don't seem to randomly spaz all in with worse than you.Hand 2: I don't really like your sizing with the stack sizes here. Good open pf, but I'd cbet 3/4 pot and shove most turns. It's okay to make exploitable sizings depending on your hands strength, no need to play equilibrium vs a random/drooler imo. I'd making a crying call on the river but expect your almost never goodHand 3: Snap fold unless you have reads to back up calling.
At the beggining of teh match. should i just flat CB or is raise fine? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero540 BTNddbr460 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB ddbr raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, ddbr bets 60, Hero raises to 150, ddbr calls 90 Turn (380, 2 players) Hero bets 350, ddbr folds Final Pot: 730 Hero wins 730 ( won +190 ) ddbr lost -190
As played I like your line, I'm never smooth calling with this strong of a drawing hand here.I don't like your pf play. I'm 100% 3-betting KQo vs anyone to about 100. KQ plays extremely well in a 3B pot because it dominates so many of his holdings that he'll call your re raise with (J10,K10,QJ, etc).
Yea I f* with 3bet. But if we get it in against AX we have like 40% (i mean there is inuf dead money in the pot allready but still) is it worth putting our tournamenet on the line, cause we can easy steal the pot on the later streat if he's holding air.I'm having a hard time returning to the college after 1 year off so my time management is a little off :(. Played about 150 hypers, i'm brekeven well EV shows 3.1 ROI :). I finally memorized all the charts so i don't time out every time when it's my turn in the tournament :P. And I learned to limp some hands (this part was so hard for me, never limped in my life before EVER).Thinking of adding another table, don't know yet if it's a good idea yet. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBalison080590 BTNHero410 Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 40, alison080 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) alison080 checks, Hero checks Turn (80, 2 players) alison080 bets 100, Hero ?call/jam/fold?
KQ: I'm 100% fine with getting it in with our equity there. Just because sometimes he's going to have an ace doesn't mean he always will. All the other times we take him off a jack, fold a pocket pair, or even get him to call a flop raise with a worse flush draw make up for it. I feel you on the college thing. Just make sure you do your best to always go to class and you'll get back into it in no time :] haha glad to hear you've got all the charts down, just keep in mind that they arean't set in stone. Be willing to change your ranges around fluidly according the the reads that you have on your opponent.I'd be careful about adding another table( I'm assuming your 1 tabling now?). Hokie will probably give you better advice on it than me, but I think it's more important that you build a solid foundation for your game first. Maybe start by playing a 1 tabling session for an hour. If your feeling good about your game then add another table for 30 minutes then take a break. The idea is that multitabling is like a muscle in your body, you have to make small increases in the weight it's going to lift. If you try to do things to quickly you'll overwork yourself and burn out.J6s: As played readless I'd called turn and see what he does on the river. I'd rather cbet that flop though. It's the type of board where if your flatted you can have a lot of opportunities to double and triple barrel against his weak check/calling range.You need to include more information on the hands you post. Stuff like what the buy in is and any kind of reads you have on your opponent. Playing without reads in a husng is burning money imo.
I'm playing 7$ hypers so no solid players (maybe 1%).Tight opener 55% 46% PFR. First hand OOP when we saw flop. Played it fine or should i seee the river? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNFART CODE495 BBHero505 Effective Stacks: 17bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB FART CODE raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, FART CODE bets 60, Hero calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) Hero checks, FART CODE bets 120, Hero folds Final Pot: 360 FART CODE wins 360 ( won +120 ) Hero lost -120 He was raising 30% from the SB and limping the rest never foldet. Should i played it different? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero450 BTNOhhBoyRAIN550 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB OhhBoyRAIN calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, OhhBoyRAIN bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (120, 2 players) Hero checks, OhhBoyRAIN bets 100, Hero calls 100 River (320, 2 players) Hero checks, OhhBoyRAIN bets 80, Hero calls 80 Final Pot: 480He was playing 50% from the BB and donked once before. Is my line to spewy, should i just call, or raise smaller? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNHero440 BBlinoluis560 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 40, linoluis calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) linoluis bets 80, Hero goes all-in 400, linoluis calls 320
welcome. i can understand some hesitancy with hypers. just make sure you spend some time familiarizing yourself with the variance that different hyper winrates equate to. the husng.com variance calculator is the best tool for this. it's suprising how few players really understand variance, and i think a reasonable undersatnding of it will help you to sustain confidence during the inevitable tough stretches.
AT: it's pretty close. quick pot odds calc: for a call to be correct you need to be good 240 (your call) / 880 (pot after called) or about 30%i really don't think you see >30% of missed draws, hands turning into a bluff here. the important thing is just applying the correct thought process to this spot, because if we needed to be right about 15%ish, i'd say it's a call.J5: preflop/flop look good. turn is a wierd bet size though, like almost anyone knows that you are never barreling t120 with only t80 behind and folding to a jam. i think it sets up such wierd stacks that you force villain to make a decision on the turn to check/jam basically - basically if you are going to leave t80 behind you might as well just jam t200 into t160 as i think it's perceived as weaker. this is best versus most thinking players, as most htinking players would correctly assume that you wouldn't be barreling even t80 at these eff stx with any kind of air - so might as well just jam any range that is betting at this point.vs a weaker player jamming is going to do worse, as they don't really perceive a non-allin bet of t90ish as anything really - they just want to call and see a river :). fish hate "going all in with just a draw" or having to make big hero calls against overbets typically. weak players think on a street-to-street basis. they are only thinking about the turn, absolutely no plan for the river. you bet t90-100 here vs a fish and he says to himself "well i have a draw, ill call and see a river" (etc)...then river is whatever and he finds himself with just t100 remaining with a pot of t360ish - and now he says to himself "well i have good odds, i call". i feel silly when i analyze a fish's thought process, bc it's truly so awful. but this is how fish think, and beating fish is absolutely a skill - sure we all beat fish, but not at the same winrates :)K6: ya easy fold, i mean even if his range contains some 6X you beat, it easily could contain lots of 8X, draws we are flipping against, etc. you aren't doing well against that range. good fold.
KQ: definitely 3bet pre to t90ish. KJ as well. these hands dominate even nitty calling ranges. i'm virtually never flatting them.postflop i would just c/c, you have great equity - but not such great equity vs the type of range that is going to bet/3bet this board (and i expect cbet ranges on this board to be kind of nitty). i'm not so worried about folding him off JX on the flop with a c/r exactly, i mean we have like up to 58ish% equity vs some JX combos.J6: cbet flop seems ok to me unless you know villains oop calling range is really defined and connects to this board a lot. cbetting t40 into t80 only needs to work 40/120 or 33% anyways - if you want to check back some i'd rather it be with A/K high type stuff some showdown value.as played, call turn and reevaluate river. i actually dont expect villains to continue bluffs much at all after you call such a big turn bet.89: looks good all streets. 95: as played, i'm not folding any streets. why not lead flop though? 67: i don't mind it. not flatting with his sizing being so big, lots of value in fold equity. i'd flat t50ish. sucks that their is the flush draw out there bc its a lot of combos we don't do well against, but i'd need to know his range is pretty weighted to flush draws/KX to do anything other than jam here. good hands. good luck this month
This hypers are addictive. Player is raising 55% he limped twice before and now this happens. What's the worst hand I could jam over him? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero460 BTNequinoxevinc540 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB equinoxevinc calls 10, Hero raises to 40, equinoxevinc raises to 60, Hero goes all-in 460, equinoxevinc calls 400 This guy played 36% from SB but 70% from BB ( 3betet me twice before). No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$6.85+$0.15 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBmarcccooo510 SBHero490 Effective Stacks: 16bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, marcccooo calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) marcccooo checks, Hero bets 80, marcccooo calls 80 Turn (280, 2 players) marcccooo checks, Hero bets 180, marcccooo goes all-in 370, Hero ? Plays 50% from BB and check raised me once before is my line OK? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$6.85+$0.15 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero450 BBPauluzzz1550 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Pauluzzz1 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Pauluzzz1 checks, Hero bets 60, Pauluzzz1 raises to 160, Hero goes all-in 410
First hand of the match,: No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$6.85+$0.15 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBsomething13500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB something13 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, something13 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, something13 bets 60, Hero calls 60 River (280, 2 players) Hero checks, something13 bets 60, Hero calls 60 Final Pot: 400 Played it fine?
With the 88 - make a 3x or 3.5x pre, not the minraise (if I'm reading the HH correctly). Once he clicks it back I probably still get it in. It's annoying when he has a semi-obvious AA, but it's not like he owned you or anything: He could have just minraised like a normal person and you'd have gladly gotten it in. Of course, that doesn't change the expectation now that we're in this spot, but it's a good reminder not to feel owned. You'll see enough random stuff here that I need a pattern of serious nittiness before I do anything else but jam.Yes, you have to bet/call the turn with K6. Usually you can just c-bet half pot here. I'm assuming you're c-betting less with your air but if you aren't, you definitely should be.T9 hand is standard, nh.T8 hand super annoying but I don't think you should fold anywhere in there. Obviously going to be Kx a ton but you'll see other stuff.
Yea I CB less with air.So 500 tournaments behind me. Obv i'm running like god (why doesn't this happen when i play sunday MTTs :( )EV ROI is 3.4 but the sample size sux.I'm not lost while playing anymore :), so I'm moving to 15$ and we'll see what happens in another 500 hypers.He's calling 100% BB, raised my CB once before, was folding on his river bet. Standard? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$6.85+$0.15 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero470 BBpraktikal1530 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, praktikal1 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) praktikal1 checks, Hero bets 40, praktikal1 raises to 80, Hero calls 40 Turn (240, 2 players) praktikal1 bets 120, Hero calls 120 River (480, 2 players) praktikal1 checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 480
69: ya standard.gl in next 500 :)
Well I feel retarded hope it's just variance, I feel like i'm improving, will see. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero480 SBmixigariba520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB mixigariba calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, mixigariba checks Turn (40, 2 players) Hero bets 40, mixigariba calls 40 River (120, 2 players) Hero bets 60, mixigariba goes all-in 460, Hero folds Final Pot: 640 mixigariba wins 640 ( won +120 ) Hero lost -120He plays 100/55 from the SB, should i call the river raise?
Mah I give up back to the cash game, so disappointed really thought I would be able to beat this shit:
89: his line doesn't make a lot of sense, but u need to be right like 40% of the time and i really doubt we see AK type value and pure bluffs here that often. just going to be a wierdly played value hand a bunch imo.hope you don't actually end up quitting. if you continue to put some time and energy into improving your ST game, you should be able to get profitably at the buyin levels you are playing very quickly.also, there is a lot of red-line ev variance over just a 300 game sample size. just bc you are -1.5% ev roi over 350 games, it doesn't mean its overly close to your long term expected roi.
Mah just steaming a little bit, I played with HUSNG calculator and variance is so sick if you're not 5% winner (and even then) not used to this kind of swings in BI . Definitely not giving up just don't know if i should stay at 15s or should I maybe move down to 7$ and grind 1k+ tournaments to see if i beat them or was it just luck. A few questions.Playing a lot of passive fish we have 20-25BB what do we do with let's say 22-55, A2-A7, KQ when we get shoved on or when we get 3bet. Thought it was just variance allways getting it in against better A but I pokerstoved it a little bit and some of this guys are so passive even A7 is an easy fold against them, is that right or is it to passive? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero420 SBaleksan09580 Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB aleksan09 calls 10, Hero raises to 60, aleksan09 calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero bets 80, aleksan09 calls 80 Turn (280, 2 players) Hero $Jam it, cehck it? He could have OESD, he could have T if we check and he jams, do we call, if he checks back what to do on a river? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBLAKI-STAR52520 BBHero480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB LAKI-STAR52 calls 10, Hero raises to 60, LAKI-STAR52 calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero bets 80, LAKI-STAR52 raises to 240, Hero ?8th hand in match, limped every hand dind't show any aggresion easy fold or rejam? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero490 SBPanatha85510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Panatha85 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, Panatha85 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Panatha85 checks River (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Panatha85 bets 80, Hero calls 80 Final Pot: 280Standard?
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBGti-150435 SBHero565 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Gti-150 goes all-in 435, Hero ?It's our second match really agresive villain. 3beting 47% (8 times out of 17), but he mixes it up, with jaming amd 2,5x 3bet.I need to be good 45% time. But that means he has to bet me wide { 22+, A2s+, K8s+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }. So call or not? :D No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero490 SBspecial 09510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB special 09 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, special 09 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, special 09 bets 80, Hero calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero checks, special 09 bets 160, Hero folds Final Pot: 480 special 09 wins 480 ( won +160 ) Hero lost -160First hand of the match, how's my line?
Weird hand with the K9. At your stakes I actually usually bet flop a little bigger - say t100 - and would still be jamming this turn, but it's a weird one, because we're not getting value a lot. The thing is, we also usually have the best hand - there isn't much Ax in his range, and a lot of Tx will jam the flop. I think people will call you with worse pair+straight draw type hands enough for shoving to be better than checking.With the KQ, that raise size is scary, but I don't think I've ever folded this practically this short. Maybe you can make a hero fold with sick reads on extreme tendencies - but don't worry about it, getting it in will rarely be incorrect. In general the mistake will be to fold here, by a pretty wide margin.The Jx is pretty standard absent additional reads. A lot of players won't bet this size with Qx (often smaller) or Tx (often bigger). You'll be beat a decent amount of course but you should have the equity needed to call.
Well the month is over, here are my results :)My game changed a lot. Learned a ton. I'll try to grind 2k tournaments this month (didn't have much time this month and even when I did I was browsing threads in this forum) and come back to the forum in December when I'll be hopefully playing higher.
look forward to having you back in December. glgl until then.