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IKSecret's picture
Hypers River decision against fish.

$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players

Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter

BB Pastaculo $520.00  
BTN Hero $480.00  

Effective Stacks: 24bb

  • Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BTN
  • cAd4
Hero raises to $40.00, Pastaculo calls $20.00
  • Flop ($80.00, 2 players)
  • c5s7sJ
Pastaculo checks, Hero checks
  • Turn ($80.00, 2 players)
  • hA
Pastaculo bets $40.00, Hero raises to $100.00, Pastaculo calls $60.00
  • River ($280.00, 2 players)
  • c6
Pastaculo checks, Hero bets $140.00, Pastaculo raises to $280.00, Hero ?
Readless against fish. Call, fold and why?
Thanks in advance !
ka5321's picture
the way u played the hand is

the way u played the hand is so awkward... i need stats for villains river play/ and his river jamming range... for example, how does villain play his value range/ or bluff range on river... a line i see consistently from fish with nuts, is check/call  check/call  jam river.....etc.it looks so much like a value CR jam, since he knws tht u'r going to call him a high % of the times on the river, since his jam on river a zero FE in terms of expectation...imo since ur pot commited on the river, call  since odds is in favor of calling... its borderline for me, since in essence ur AX has no kicker, which is in the bottom of ur value range.....i clearlyt disagree with ur turn play... since u set up awkward stack sizes on river.....turn pot size:120effective stack size:400with ur 100 raise, ur not commiting urself enough to pot, and ur not really setting up play for stacks by river./....either for pot control on river and evaluate another street, or jam on turn so u can protect ur hand equity with AX TP hand range on a fairly wet board........  

shawnty's picture
I'm no expert but I'm gonna

I'm no expert but I'm gonna give it a shot.  Why are you checking behind on flop? I would've put in a c-bet and fired a 2nd barrel at most turn cards greater than a 7 if called.I think this looks like a rivered two pair or a rivered straight, all tho it might be a missed flushdraw who's trying to get you off the hand, seems unlikely tho since he shouldn't think he has much fold EQ. I don't think there's many aces in his range since he just flatted pre flop. As played the river is kind of a tough spot since you're pretty much repping exactly what you have? Not sure if you can fold tho given the pot odds and the fact that he's a fish that might be spewing

danzig's picture
Call expecting to see 2pair

Call expecting to see 2pair or 98.Checking the flop behind is completely fine.Turn I'd either call and vbet or call river, or I'd raise to 120 and shove river. Don't think raising to 100 is bad but I feel like it's offering a little bit too good odds with too vulnerable a hand, you give good odds with draws or a Jack to peel one without getting too invested. ye, I think you lose value from both, on the upside it becomes a little bit likelier that something random will peel. It feels much nicer if the pot is 300 and stack 260 than 280 280.As played I still shove the river and hope a Jack calls. with only a potsizedbet left I like that better than betting half pot, I don't think a half pot bet will get called twice as often as a shove. And we can't really fold after putting in that much for value.As played we're probably beat since villain is unlikely to betcall/turn and mincheckraise river with air and he would have to be braindead to do that with a worse hand for value(maybe A2-A4) but I still think folding would be horrible. We have too good of a hand with too much committed, it's too volatile to fold in these spots, it's too much second guessing if you can't pay off with reasonably good hands after putting more than 2/3 of your stack in.So ok-line imho, turn raise slightly bigger to make your life easier, river potsized bet left with toppair and no obvious hands that beat you = committed. I would shove.