Hi, i just see the H2OLGA video "H2OLga, 1 turbo, 2 hypers" and in the hyper match against Eric2441989, he is 3 bet shoving 74S whoaaa. He says that against a 75% opener that's a good shove but personaly it's something i never thought to do. What are your thoughts about this unusual move ? Thanks
Ok, so I played around a bit with this on ICMIZER.
If he feels villain is a bit tight, folding stuff like A2-A4, A2s, K9s, QJo, then you might get a calling range of about 20% of total hands (raising range 74.x % of total hands).
And that would make it a +EV play.
It was the first range I actually calculated, but play around on ICMIZER and see what you get. Here's what I did:
I was just about to answer this but you beat me to it.
To explain a bit further the hands in green above are the cards that you can shove profitably , provided, as Ryan stated ,that the villian is only calling with 20% of total possible hands. And he is opening 75% of all possible hands.
The hands in red are hands that can't be shoved profitably using the same criteria.
btw, ICMIZER is the nuts!
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Thanks for the quick replies ! So do you think H2Olga 3bet shoves every hands +ev or does he have (for the +ev hands) a range to call (for example, hands that play well postlop), a 3bet range for value and a 3bet shove range consisting of the hands just above ev and tricky to play postflop ?
The 20% is certainly an "if" though. It depends what H2Olga's perception of his opponent's calling range is. Michael mentioned that 25% makes it unprofitable, so it certainly can be a close decision.
H2Olga likely is strictly thinking along the lines of "shoving hands that have a higher expectation than calling, small 3betting or folding" in that situation, and likely sees his opponent as a tight all in player in that situation that opens a little too wide for having such a tight calling range.
I'm sure though he does exactly what you talk about, he facts in the postflop playability, the small 3bet value and the fold option into these decisions each time.
Whats your opinion on the QTo call he got If i recall it was the first hand. Im fine with the 47s shove since it has some pretty decent equity, Its a much harder call with QTo to me personally.
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Well, another way to look at it is that if he is opening 75% vs an aggressive player and folding QT, he's likely getting crushed, so it's a call that is correct in the situation.
As far as being standard, it's too loose of a call without some information.
It's tough to really say much more though without knowing more specifics about the history between these guys, but it looks like they both made the right play.