No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNHero1670 BBCoLDoR1330 Effective Stacks: 67bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 60, CoLDoR calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) CoLDoR bets 100, Hero calls 100 Turn (320, 2 players) CoLDoR bets 200, Hero raises to 440, CoLDoR calls 240 River (1200, 2 players) CoLDoR checks, Hero bets 840, CoLDoR folds Final Pot: 2040 Hero wins 2040 ( won +600 ) CoLDoR lost -600didn't have many reads on the player, he didn't seem very good and was playing quite fit or fold post flop, leading 20% and x/c 33%. Iraised because the board was quite wet and I thought that I could get called by worse. Agree? or should I just keep calling? or should I have raised the flop? I don't have any reads on what he is leading with.
I think I would have played it exactly the same. It gets a bit sketchy if a 5 6 T, or J comes on the river, and I definitely think you are ahead here most of the time readless. His sizing suggests he isn't going anywhere, so even more reason to raise IMO. When he just flats the raise, then you are almost certainly ahead of his range. I believe he would turn his hand pretty face up and 3 bet the turn there if he had a monster.Well played.
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I think your logic on flop/turn is a little shaky. It's true that he can have more draws on the turn than on the flop, but you're ignoring the strength (or lack there of) of your hand against his range. I'd be more comfortable (and mostly prefer) raising the flop if you felt he wasn't donking many bluffs, because we're further ahead of his calling range and should be happy with our hand on most turn cards. On the turn, however, when he donks again his range is stronger than it was on the flop, and we shouldn't expect him to continue against a raise with anything short of an open ender. Our equity against a range of two pairs, straights, sets, pair+draws, naked open enders isn't as high as you think it is. We also have to fold our hand against a jam which might include a few bluffs that we would've caught by call/calling. Lastly, what is your reason for minraising the turn? Is he making a mistake by continuing his draws against this sizing? If we think we're ahead of his calling range we should make the raise bigger so that he's actually making a bad pot odds decision. If we're not ahead of his range when we raise bigger, we probably shouldn't be raising. As played you're simply reopening the action against a range that, once it calls your raise, will be making no mistakes and winning a bigger pot whenever they make the best hand. Either flat turn to let him bluff the river or raise the flop to get him to incorrectly continue with weak 8x hands that have no draw. If you think he's bluffing too often on the flop to make raising the best play, then call down and don't raise the turn imo.
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Its funny, after I posted, I actually questioned my own thought process. I left it hoping someone else would re-inforce my doubt in my own analysis. I think generally speaking I have a leak when it comes to raising the flop in spots like this. Here's my problem with it (and I guess its gameflow / villain dependant).. What happens if he 3 bets you? I am not too happy stacking off here. Having said that, I suppose the same question is true of the turn lol. Hmm.. Would you agree that calling 3 streets is better than raising flop? My reasoning for min raising the turn was that if he flats, the stack sizes are nice to shove when you're wanting a call. I didn't really think about pot odds to be honest. In that kind of spot, doesnt pot odds go out of the window because you are committing so much of your stack in a format where you can't rebuy? Here's an example to illustrate my question: (completely hypothetical, I have no idea if the math adds up for chip stacks). You have a flush draw (to what you believe is the nuts) and no SDV on the turn, and you have 600 chips left, blinds at 25 50. Villain bets 400 into 1200 pot. You're getting the right pot odds to call, but would you make the call? I seem to remember hearing in some videos that, in spots like that pot odds aren't as important. I could be wrong?
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Knowing how to react to a 3bet is definitely relevant, although I'm not sure I can give a sure fire answer. I know that against some players I'm familiar with I'd make a big fold, and against most players I'm unfamiliar with I'd call and call any turn (or just call if he jams). That said, I think flatting the flop is perfectly fine because you can still get 3 streets of value from most worse pairs and you'll let him bluff more often when he has no equity. Against players with too many low equity bluffs in their donkbetting range this is definitely the best line.As far as the 2nd part, there's never a case where I'd pass on correct pot odds in a husng. I think it's important that if we're raising the turn for value we're not simply putting 200 chips into an 800 chip pot when all hands that villain calls with have 20% or more equity. All this does is make his bluffs fold and lets him put in a correct call with all of his pair+draws or overcard straight draws. We want him to actually make a mistake in the hand, and since his calling range is so draw heavy we want to give those draws an incorrect price to continue if we think raising is the best play. Same on the other side of the hand, if we're villain and get minraised here and have a draw to the nuts with greater than 20% equity (I know this isn't the exact number but just for example), we should never fold, regardless of our remaining chip stack. In a HUSNG where winner takes all, ICM isn't relevant and any decision that wins us chips is going to win us dollars.
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Thanks guysOk so I know that this guy is only leading 20% and only calling 30% so there arn't too many bluffs in his range and I have no reads that he will barrel a weak range or barrel bluffs so that would make a raise on the flop better then a call right? What sort of raise size should I be making it here?