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Climbing the stakes, 2013 goals and advice for players looking to beat the micros and move up

Hey I thought it was about time i wrote one of these as its something i always meant to do this but never got around too it.  Basically just going to tell you my story so far in poker and progressing through the stakes and my goals for end of this year and i am happy to answer any questions to anyone regarding husngs.

I got started in poker through my friends as they had a regular home game every Friday night, I played it just because I liked the social aspect of it, all your friends around the table playing a game and hanging out.  I immediately loved the game and did everything i could to get better, I started with sngs then moved to cash and mtts, in between i would sometimes play husngs and did reasonably well but at the time I was more interested in binking a mtt for a big score so husngs didn't interest me as much at the time.  

I have always been competitive and I love games in which you have to try and outthink your opponent or solve something better or faster than they can using your brain power and creativity.  I always hear players asking pros what makes a good poker player and think there is some magic secret or strategy out there the pros must be using and not telling anyone but I think the core reason and the boring truth is that all good poker players have better analytical skills and come up with solutions and better decisions than your average person and in general can learn new things faster and soak up information better.  

I have always found people that i consider to have high common sense do a whole lot better in poker than most people, even people with lots of qualifications and degrees who you would assume to be smarter.  Although I think that's because poker is different from education in the fact that modern education is more a process of where you are repetitively told what to think to the point you have to memorize it and eventually after you learn so much you become an expert at that subject.  Whereas poker is more a way of testing your natural brain power, instincts, creativity and coming to the right decision in game with your own skills and thought process.  Sure you can learn online from video training sites and learn a more successful effective way to play but when your 1 on 1 and in a tough spot its you who has to come to the right answer and trust your read.  That doesn't mean you cant learn and get better with coaching and experience because you will, I just think the naturals like isildur and antonious who never read poker books or watch training videos have a big head start and advantage as they are already thinking on a very high level that regular players cant comprehend or it will take an awful amount of time to get too, I guess some players are lucky and just born with a lot of talent and others have to work a lot harder to be good.  

I like most players myself wasn't naturally good at poker at first i was a losing player but once i understood the game better and learned the basics I started to win.  After playing mtts, cash games and sngs I thought about getting more into husngs as i think it is the purest form of poker and the one with less variance and more skill.  I saw a husng stake and applied for that.  I was already beating the 15s but I had to start with 7s and each level required 1k sample size with EVROI targets, within 6 months or so i went from 7s to 15s to 30s to 60s and 80s without ever needing a reload.  

Maybe its luck or maybe i have developed a pretty solid consistent style but one thing i do know for sure is that my game has come along way in a pretty quick time this year.  Every hand I play I am always thinking about my opponents style and ranges in every spot and what he thinks about my hand/ image or maybe he is just playing his hand in connection to the board, in that case I can get away with a lot more and don't have to be worried about being face up in certain spots when value betting.  I think once you start thinking like this you will notice a vast improvement in your game and hand reading skills and hands your involved in should no longer be boring as your brain is constantly thinking about your opponents range and your perceived range aswell as the dynamics of the game and the mood your opponent is in and how he may feel he needs to adjust to you.  

The big difference with a losing player and a winning husng player is that he is thinking about your range and acting accordingly, his actions just aren't based on his hand strength in relation to the board.  I see so many people losing chips by folding out his opponents bluffs as they just get excited when they get raised and reraise their monster holdings not realising his opponent has just polarized his hand with a checkraise and the fact he has for example say top set on a dry board, there is very small combinations your opponent is raising for value so the majority of his range in that spot is just air that missed the board that needs to bluff to win the pot.  Learn the way ahead way behind concept and once you use that effectively you will starting winning all those chips you may of been folding out.  

Id advise anyone who is serious about poker and improving to surround themselves with poker friends who live and breath poker the way you do, talking to them day in day out will speed up your progression and watch as many good coaching husng videos as you can. But, be careful, i have seen some guys offering terrible advise on certain sites and doing horrible plays like its standard that will end up doing more harm than good to your game.

Id recommend finding someone whose style and teaching you like.  I myself loved mersonarys videos the most with how simple and fast he could explain his thought process about a hand or concept he was going over, maybe its just me but if you can explain something in 2mins don't take 20mins dissecting a hand beating it to death boring people when you could of just gotten to the point a lot quicker, some of these new coaches i feel on sites are way too much into their math and there seems to be less emphasis on the instinct / read on hands anymore which really good players can pick up on and its always fascinating to me to hear their thought process about why they did a creative play or made a hero call which doesn't seem standard at first. Other videos i liked are Hokies,  PhermcPrimoAA BernardC and Big tuna fish aswell.  

I now run my own stake on the side which I find satisfying helping my players get better with guidance and talking to them about hands etc, at first it was just something i did for friends when they approached me then I thought I might aswell try and expand this as poker is something i love and coaching and staking is something I want to get more into as i find enjoyment out of helping people.  

Any questions you guys want to ask i am willing to reply too when i come back on every now and again.  As of now I am transitioning into hypers and started quite well but i am still playing 60s and 80s turbos on the side when the lobbies are free ( which isn't as much when you get to 60s, dame those regs), small sample of close to 200 with 15% evroi, i don't expect that to stay that high but my goal is be playing 100s and 200s by December so even if i have half of that evroi by 1k games that will be enough to start 100s.  I will try and update this every so often, ask away and thanks for reading gl

ps if there is an interest i may post some pt4 pics and some videos vs regs and maybe go over some marked hands explaining my reasoning behind them

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gj bro. can i add you on

gj bro. can i add you on skype? i would love to talk to you about the hypers and since your starting your own stable i'd like to get a spot if there's one available. i can you show my graphs from pt4 on skype.
 
skype: dwyt84

ARRONWILSON's picture
I believe we already are

I believe we already are friends on skype 

vherreral's picture
Hi there

Nice written history. Got some questions, are you just switching to hts by trial and error, or are u getting coached or watching some specific videos from here??
I myself play only turbos, but been toying with the idea of mixing them with hts, I played like 100 hts on stars at the 7s level, and got kinda crushed. so I left the idea floating for now.
Also, i feel a bit frustrated cuz i dont think I got anyone to talk about poker (not that i´ve put a lot of effort in findding someone tho), I´m member of a latinamerican poker forum, but dont know anyone there that plays husngs.
Anyways, would be cool if u add me on skype: vherreral1
 
cheers

VHL

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Both getting coached and

Both getting coached and watching videos.  Id recommend watching mersonarys videos, especially the stats ones where he talks about how limping hands you would normally fold at endgame can be better expectation than folding.  Too many people fold at endgame waiting for a good hand and bleed chips away.  
 
I can add you on skype 

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Are these mersonarys videos

Are these mersonarys videos as part of the premium videos pack? I see that he only has 4 in the 'standard video pack'. I'm just wondering if it's worth getting the premium pack over the standard one.

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Mersonarys videos are

Mersonarys videos are premium, I would recommend watching them all

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Here is my pokertracker graph

Here is my pokertracker graph so far, started playing turbos again

RyPac13's picture
Graph is looking solid

Graph is looking solid there.
Do you feel comfortable mixing turbos and hypers or do you tend to play one instead of the other when you play?

ARRONWILSON's picture
Hey thanks Ryan Yeah when I

Hey thanks Ryan
Yeah when I play its usually one or the other as I filter my lobbies and 2 table them till I take a break.  I love hypers but been getting more into the turbos again as i want to be playing $100 turbos in a few months time.  

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Heres a small video going

Heres a small video going over a hand I played recently against a reg

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And heres a boomplayer of a

And heres a boomplayer of a interesting hand which I make a tough fold as I dont realy see any bluffs in my oppenents range taking the line he took.
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/5371764_CF905D956B

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that was a really interesting

that was a really interesting fold......the only hands beating you are 7-9 and 9-Q? it is only 480 to call, the pot is already 1320. So you're getting 480*100 / 1800 = 26.6% pot odds. I don't see how we can fold here, you having one of the 7's makes 7-9 that tiny bit less likely. Can you explain your reasoning on this one? Surely he could have had a hand like 6-6, 4-4, J-10 - All possible hands to flat you with pre, 4-4 he could easily check that flop, 6-6 or J-10 he could check the flop to try check raise you or just disguise his hand. Then he would bet the turn for value, when you bet the river he may still raise top two or a set? plus there is still the chance he's tried to pull off some kind of sick bluff. With all that in mind and the pot odds being offered I would think there is value in a call, however I don't have any reads on the villain.

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Also can I just add, if i'm

Also can I just add, if i'm him: I think you look weak - I would conclude you would have bet the flop or raised turn with any kind of Jack to protect it from draws. When the 8 comes on the river I would still not think it's that likely you have hit a straight or anything premum, especially as if you had Q-9 i'd expect you with position to try semi bluff at some point earlier in the hand. So I think it's entirely possible he checked river to try enduce you to steal the pot with nothing, and then either thought he could raise you on the river to represent a monster with a bluff to get you to fold, or just to gain value with a set if you happen to have some random 2 pair or something. I guess my point is here that I feel like there are so many possibilities, that to narrow him down to having Q-9 himself is just too specific, you have to be right an incredible amount of the time for this to be the right play. Especially as you are not even risking your entire stack i feel as though it's worth the call.

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You are right I do look weak

You are right I do look weak to him on the river and thats part of the reason his bluffs can never check this river first to act because im checking behind my bluffcatchers.  So his bluffs have to continue betting to blow me off my hand.  Going for a checkraise with air is going to fail as im checking back most of the time with what looks like a bluffcatcher trying to get to showdown.  
I also expect his worse value hands ( jack x, 2pair )  to lead river as again I should be checking back a decent amount as played.  His thin value like 10x  can even bet fold this river.  So the only hands that make sense for him to checkraise is hands that want max value, hands like q9 he bet on the turn and rivered straight with.   I guess he hopes this river would somehow help my hand that i would bet when checked too as he wants to get more chips with a checkraise than just leading for value.  Villian is a 100s reg and I showed him my hand and he said I made a sick fold and cant believe i didnt pay him off. I mean, I do have a straight and its hu but i dont see any bluffs or worse value in his range here with his line, I am getting very good odds to call but when you go through his range like this I think we can find a fold here and save ourselves some chips.  

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Fair enough - thanks for the

Fair enough - thanks for the insight.Still not sure I ever can make this fold here lol. But it all depends on you read on the player which you have and I don't. I just believe that regardless of everything, the fact that he check raised the river meant that for whatever reason he believed you were more likely to bet the river than check back to him. If he believes that you were more likely to bet the river if he checks to you, this means he would have seen extra value in a check raise bluff compared to leading the river with a bluff. Perhaps he also was concerned that you would call his river bet if he lead out, and if he did believe you were going to call his river bet then he would assume you might also over value your hand and bet out if he checks, meaning he can come over the top and rep a monster. Just a thought any way - But like I said, you are the one that had been playing with him and knows his tendancies, if you are able to rule theories like this out or check raising a set - Then it probably is the correct fold.

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hello, but you have suite

hello, but you have suite 45678! Why you fold


wolfgang03's picture
Hey man just saw this post

Hey man just saw this post and really like your story. Could you add me on Skype so we can discuss more about hypers? I'm currently looking for a stake and maybe we could work something out :) 
Skype: benjaminlee93 

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Here is my stats for 60s so

Here is my stats for 60s so far

wagsthedog5's picture
Your graphs are quite

Your graphs are quite sexy...
 
Do you prefer turbo's because of the less swings, or just what you're vibing atm? 
 
1. Tip for grinding $1.50 hypers on stars? 
 
Thanks mate, and gl! 

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Ty I like turbos because

Ty
I like turbos because there is more stack depth and the edges are bigger than in hypers, but hypers are great for volume and multi tabling.  
My advice for beating the 1.50 hypers.  
Raise close to 100% preflop 13bbs or more until villian gives you a reason not too, then you can start introducing some limps around 12bbs to see how villian reacts to it.  If hes passive you can limpstab a bunch rather than open folding your trash hands which will be better expectation.
 Also people that isolate shove ( when you limp he goes all in) too much i would limptrap your monsters, keep minraising with your garbage vs them if his 3bet percentage is smaller than his isolate stats.  Vice versa people that dont isolate but 3bet alot you should be limpstabbing more vs those players.  For the most part players at the 1.50s are passive postflop when they miss and over value their 2nd and 3rd pair a lot so good fundamental poker is all it should take. Value betting when you have it and giving up when you get called and you think he has middle pair etc, people dont like folding at that level so your going to get called down too much.  

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Thanks for the advice mate, I

Thanks for the advice mate, I miss read your post yesterday and was 3 betting heaps wondering wtf was going on. Had to read it again lol.
Solid advice! 

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Ty your welcome

Ty your welcome

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Part 1 of my video for

Part 1 of my video for husng.com went up today, you can view it here http://www.husng.com/content/arronwilson-turbo-speed-hu-hands-1

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Heres a crazy hand i played

Heres a crazy hand i played vs Ricestud recently
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/5652018_E73CA0FBE7

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Interesting hand

Hey pretty interesting hand.
In hindsight I'd be expanding my 3b value range rather than 3b a polarised range.
The value of 3b bluffing 52s is radically reduced vs someone who will continue with Q5s.
Takes balls of steel to bluff catch vs a [Jx, FD] range assuming villain will barrel his stack off with his bare FDs ;)

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  Hey Ciaran I have always

 
Hey Ciaran I have always found a more polarised 3betting range to be tougher to play against.  When we 3bet with hands we dont feel comfortable getting 4bet with we may aswell just be bluffing so I find it better to do it your your value and total junk hands and flat hands in between that plays well postflop.  We also fold out his hands that we dominate when we expand our 3betting range, for example we 3bet ace 9 we fold out his dominated hands like a4, 7 9 etc.  My standard is usually just to flat ace 2 to ace 10 deep and 3bet aj or better.  
When i 3bet 52s its for fold equity and if i get called i have a hand if i flop a FD i can continue vs a C/R, I also do it with this hand as its hard to flop top pair and go broke here, although in this situation I found myself calling it off with bottom pair 
I didnt expect ricestud to take this line with a jack esp when the king hits the river and he still shoves, unless he has KJ but i still think he flats flop with that hand. Iexpect his c/r range that barrels small on the turn to be mostly a flush draw.  If you notice the sizing he makes the turn, he bets enough so he can jam river when he misses that will put me in a tough position with my bluffcatchers vs betting bigger on turn and jamming smaller on river which is going to get called more often because of the odds I will be getting.  Only hand I was worried about was KX clubs,  but I think there was more combos of flush draws that had no showdown that have to shove to win this pot, 89 clubs q 10 clubs etc

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Hey Arron, nice breakdown of

Hey Arron, nice breakdown of your thought process.
Villain's willingness to continue vs you NAI 3b with Q5s suggests he doesn't give your 3b a lot of credit (he knows you're 3b a polarised range?) and you do not have the fold equity required to 3b hands like 52s profitably. 
You can take advantage of this by 3b more hands like QJ, QT, K9 etc to create super profitable situations in 3b pots at lowers SPRs?

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This was our first game and

This was our first game and was actually only like the 4th hand so I dont think he knew much about my style or 3betting range other than the fact i was a reg, but i suspect the next time we play it wont get much credit lol So ill keep that in mind and adjust accordingly

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Hey thought I would update

Hey thought I would update how I have been doing, been on a downswing atm, running over 3k under ev for 60s, still aim to start playing 100s sometime in december and do some more videos going over marked hands and maybe some reg matches

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Transitioned to hypers

Transitioned to hypers recently and been working hard moving up the levels as quick as possible putting in a lot of time studying and playing. Here is graph for 30s. Got 4.2% evroi after nearly 2.5k games.  Hope to begin 60s soon then im gona concentrate on stepping up to 100 turbos and putting out a few more vids.  

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nice graph there!

Love your story really inspire me, dont you mind posting stats for each stakes (volume ev roi, roi buyin levels) for hu hyper? Send me a msg here or on skype if you want to
skype: tremblay17

Dont Let Variance Affect You!

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Rocky montage incoming
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BR ?

Hi Arron,

I see you are moving up through the stakes fast through hard work and study. Myself grinding out on a minimum BR has always been a leak. Just out of interest how many BI did you perceive as comfortable for you move up's ? Was it flexible ? Did you adjust it for different levels ?  Or adjust it for you perceived skill level against population at a certain level ?

I think my BI / BR position is difficult as in wanting to move up quick with something like 20/15 up down ratio to reach my desired level. But doesn't leave a lot of room for the inevitable swings, swings in the negative are always disappointing and in the past have tilted me, getting better with that slowly over time as my game improves both on and off the table. 

Any  insight to you thoughts and how you approached it would be really interesting. 

GL !

Go forth and CRUSH !

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BR / BI continued.

I just been reading Some stuff on 2p2, about Kelly, BR management and BI for moving up etc. 

Nothing conclusive there and thought to ask what 'stakers' like yourself or at HUSNG use for their stable. As I imagine they go for steady growth and a realistic consideration of players ROI at a certain level ?

Cheers. 

GL !

Go forth and CRUSH !

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Hi Stephen, I think this

Hi Stephen, I think this affects a lot of players that cant really afford to have a brutal downswing.  Fortunately I don't have to worry about this as I have backers and can just concentrate on my game and don't have to worry about getting low on buyins and not being able to play if I go bust.  If that is something that concerns your game when your BR gets low id suggest a deeper BRM for stakes your playing ( especially hypers with the variance) or maybe you could look around for a stake yourself, Id recommend getting one with group coaching if possible,  

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Pretty cool to see solid

Pretty cool to see solid success, keep up the good work and everyone is looking forward to future videos as well.

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Thanks Ryan i enjoyed making

Thanks Ryan i enjoyed making the first series and the feedback they got so defs plan to make a lot more in the future.  Glad to hear this has inspired you Iamgenius, that was one of my reasons to start a blog. I dont mind putting up some hyper graphs for you.  Heres some ordered from 7s to 60s with roi (green) and evroi included (orange)  Iv only a small sample on 60s so far so will update later how they go
7s below

15s below

30s below

60s below

hypersuccess's picture
hey

hi would you mind if i watched you play sometime, i've played 1,300 games of 7's and am about $400 down. Really frustrating. Can show you my graph etc. I wouldn't interrupt you while playing but it would be great to watch a decent player play.

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:O

intresting stuff :)


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I'm in. Gl ! Your first post

I'm in. Gl ! Your first post woke up some interest because I have same thoughts on poker and poker players. I also like your other posts and your thought processes in general. I will follow your blog. Keep some updates comin' :)