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deanster's picture
$7 Hyper Turbo over bet bluff on the turn. Bad move/spot for this kind of thing?

This is what had happened up to the hand in question.1st hand I fold to his continuation bet.2nd hand I open fold.3rd hand I fold to his continuation bet.4th hand I open fold.5th hand I shove over his min raise.6th hand he 1/2 pot donks the flop then folds to my turn bet.This is the 7th hand:No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$6.85+$0.15 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBabarth44480  BBHero520  Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB abarth44 raises to 40, Hero calls 20    Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, abarth44 bets 40, Hero raises to 120, abarth44 calls 80    Turn (320, 2 players)  Hero goes all-in 360I was going to raise/fold his continuation bet but then when he flatted I figured he didn't have an ace so shoved the turn.What do you think?Thanks in advance!     

nekrogovner's picture
I doubt villain ever folds

I doubt villain ever folds turn jam with anything he called flop raise with. Imo thats not even a good flop to checkraise as a bluff.

deanster's picture
nekrogovner

Yes I agree bad move to check raise this wet flop and villain calls shove most of the time I think. 

batman's picture
I may have 3-bet to about

I may have 3-bet to about 100ish pre flop with that hand. I know you only have a small sample but villain seems pretty loose so far.I'm still a beginner but to me the flat seems strong from villain - he could have 9x or Jx or a strong draw.  I guess only 9x is going to call your shove on the turn which is unlikely.

ka5321's picture
  From the HH that u

 From the HH that u provided... Villain seems like a pretty LAGish opponent...his button frequency must be pretty high... so we really cant coin a specific hand range for villain, since he could be raising with anything here ranging from AX, Pocket pair, Broadways, to even low SC.....idk... i personally dont like ur flop check raise...  since board texture:9JAhits alot of hand ranges..... TJ,QT,TK,JQ,JK,9T, broadways are all going to call, since they either hit a pair, or has some kind of backdoor straight equity...1) if he has AX, he's clearly not folding, and u could probably see a bet/3-bet jam from villain, where u lost max equity with ur bluff...with ur check raise, ur basically hoping to bluff on flops, where ur perceived calling range has value...For example: 89Tsince ur mBB flatting range has more hands like suited connectors, or weak broadways, which hits this flop strongly...basically with ur checkraise flop.. ur only repping 1-paired Ace, which looks odd, since u wouldve 3-bet pre if u had AT+...so ur line didnt make sense.... Turn:1) paired boards are worst boards to bluff on....basically it comes down to villains continuance range....think of it like this..... what would villain bet/call u with??Air??- i really doubt tht...From the HH u provided above... villain seems like an aggressive opponent, so i would be expecting him to be jamming more of his FD+SD than flatting with them, since drawing equity decreases alot through each advancing street...most likely hand ranges tht villain would flat u here, consists mostly of 9X,JX.hands like: 9T,89,9K,9Q,JQ,JK,TJslowplayed:9J,AJ that boated on turnur reasoning that villain jams with AX is because stacks are shallow and he's jamming for equity protection:::1) however, what happens, if villain was slowplaying AJ,9J,AK,AQ- since he wants to trap u for multiple streets???in retrospect.. the 9 improves more of villains hand range than urs, since ur repping the Ace, while he's repping the JX,9X, or slowplayed set/2-pair..... at best ur jam gets a fold from JX, and factoring the fact that villain is not a station... i wouldnt jam turn

deanster's picture
Thanks ka5321

Thanks for your analysis.I agree it's a bad flop to check raise and villain will call turn shove more often than not.Could have had any two hearts though, or T8, KQ or Jx like you say but therre's definitely far more he would call the turn shove with.I wouldn't make this move now thanks to everyones analysis and advice.Cheers!