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chewbaka's picture
$7 hyper line check

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players

$6.85+$0.15

Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter

SB Hero 500  
BB BodpeHbko 500  

Effective Stacks: 25bb

Blinds 10/20

Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)

Hero is SB

dAsK

Hero raises to 40, BodpeHbko calls 20

Flop (80, 2 players)

d3cAdJ

BodpeHbko checks, Hero bets 40, BodpeHbko calls 40

Turn (160, 2 players)

cQ

BodpeHbko checks, Hero bets 80, BodpeHbko calls 80

River (320, 2 players)

dQ

BodpeHbko goes all-in 340, Hero ???

ARRONWILSON's picture
Fold. A lot of his check

Fold. A lot of his check calling range on the flop and turn gets there, flushes and Q 10, and Q K, hands. 

AGT89's picture
yeah, I agree

yeah, I agree

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adam25185's picture
Without additional reads or

Without additional reads or special circumstances, I would suspect he has a flush. I would probably pay it off though, lol.

 

cdon3822's picture
Most villains will be

Most villains will be incredibly imbalanced when they take this line.

Approx pot size bet on river laying you approx 33% pot odds to call.

Villain needs to have approx 1 bluff for every 2 value bets in his river donk jamming range.

Most players won't have any bluffs at all here. As such, it's an easy fold. Not even close imo.

This is essentially the same advice offered above but what you should also think about is the conditions under which the conclusion is falsified.

It becomes a little bit closer if he is sick enough to turn a hand like K3 into a bluff.

Even then he's going to have an imbalanced range here combinatorically.

So to find a call here he needs to also be able to misplay a hand like A5o on this board or have floated 2 streets with air to then bluff the river when the flush hits.

$7 hyper players are very straight forward. Qx is the bottom of his range here. Most of his range is flushes.

adam25185's picture
"$7 hyper players are very

"$7 hyper players are very straight forward. Qx is the bottom of his range here. Most of his range is flushes."

I disagree. I think most $7 players are random enough that you need to call here. Against a bad fish, 2-5, 4-5, J-x, 3-x and ace-rag are all possible here. Facing a larger overbet, I would fold, but mathematically our hand is good more than 1/3 of the time, I think. Obviously all this very much depends on our reads.

 

 

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
2-5, 4-5, J-x, 3-x and

2-5, 4-5, J-x, 3-x and ace-rag are all possible here.

 

if the regular 7$ fish bluffs this river with 52o, he must be on serious tilt or completely braindead. although we can assume that the average population at 7$ is not to be taken all that seriously, assuming to be encountering a complete idiot by default is daring enough to lose your bankroll at the 7$ level.

chewbaka's picture
Villain had the flush.

Villain had the flush.  However, I'm surprised not many of you put him on Jx or Ax.  A fish who overvalues his pairs will play this hand this way IMHO. But then again, based from my experience.  Without proper reads, that shove on the river represents a big hand around 70% of the time.  Should have known better but I called...

cdon3822's picture
Players that would donk jam

Players that would donk jam Jx here for value do not represent enough of the population that you should be basing your readless strategy around them. I would go a step further and run with the assumption that he never has Jx here.

 

Wrt playing Ax like this.

Most fish are aware when the FD hits. And they would also be scared of you having Qx. Plus if they c/c 2 streets it would go against their plan to "trap" you to then start betting without the initiative.

Net effect, villain doesn't play Ax this way very often. You will see it sometimes but not enough relative to all the other hands he c/c 2 streets then donk jam the river on this board run out that you can consider calling here.

 

Most players play a hand strength based strategy.

So when he c/c the flop he has a pair or a draw.

All the draws hit by the river and most players won't turn show down value hands into a bluff.

Therefore villain doesn't have enough bluffs in his range relative to his value donk jams to call here with your bluff catcher.

 

A call here is unprofitable vs villain's range.

chewbaka's picture
Thanks for the great analysis

Thanks for the great analysis as usual.  

cdon3822's picture
Arron pretty much nailed it

Arron pretty much nailed it in one sentence lol :)

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
i think playing an Ace like

i think playing an Ace like that is a tricky line to force out a split. other than that i don´t think shoving the river with an ace is a good idea, because you usually don´t get called by worse.