- Reads: Villain is a regular (but not very good IMO). VPIP BB is: 53% (Call: 43% 3Bet: 10% and fold 47%), AF: 2.3 and leading turns vs missed cbet 0% (Samples: 0/1). Sample is very small, only 63 hands. No other special reads.
- Question: What we do on the river? Pot is t340 on the river, villain have t320 left. I think shove and check bad options, bet/folding ~t90-t110 is best but not sure.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players $58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter Villain is a BB with 490 chips Hero is a SB/BTN with 510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) BB checks, Hero checks Turn (80, 2 players) BB bets 40, Hero raises to 130, BB calls 90 River (340, 2 players) BB checks, Hero (320 chips effective now) EDIT: also HH converter sucks so badly, please fix your editor extra line/breaks problem then we can paste handconverter HTML type hands.
Full HTML is an option under the reply box (under "input") as specified in the HH converter instructions stickied at the top of this forum.Is there anything else wrong with the above format? It looks pretty legible to me.
Thanks. But what about hand? :)
I was going to let another person comment.I think raising the turn to 150 is a bit better and makes a loose caller make a larger mistake, and not likely fold out anything that is a mistake to call vs a 130 size.I'm not really sure about the river, I would probably jam and not feel too bad if it's slightly incorrect, as most rivers jamming should be best.That's not a great answer though, so that's why I didn't post initially. I'll see what others say though.
I would cbet the flop every time because your range contains a lot of air. When you check back, your range is usually A/K high, so raising turn is pretty transparent. I think betting slightly less than half pot (~t32 is what I like), works best in these situations. Smaller bets are all you need on dry boards, and some regs might recognize this and play back at you. When you bet t40, it makes it more expensive to play back at you. As played, I would either raise bigger or smaller on the turn. By raising smaller, you can look FOS (something like clicking it back) trying to pick up the pot as cheaply as possible (since many regs will auto-lead turn/river when checked to on these type of boards). By raising bigger, you can rep a flush draw/JT and get 9x to stick it in. The size you picked doesn’t really rep a bluff or a draw as well. On the river, I tend to bet/fold really small. As played, most people will recognize a river jam is just insanely strong and will only call you with the nutted hands. By betting something like 90, you can rep 9x/TT/JJ going for some very thin value and get looked up by 9x looking for chops and some rivered Qx.
The flop cbet makes a lot of sense to me, as does the samller sizing, thanks Chris.If you think about what our range looks like on this flop, if we're cbetting nearly 100% it's going to have tons of air, and the correct villain response needs to be to steal the pot a decent amount of the time to do well on these boards. So taking strength out of our flop cbetting range should only really be done in the most advantageous of situations (IE a super aggro villain that over reacts to check backs by betting often and betting large on the turn + river).
I like the flop cbet also. I think you should be cbetting here with air every time against most people so cbetting your made hands tends to be important for balance issues. There isn't much for them to connect with on this flop but I think you get floated enough that it is still your best play.P.S. I mentioned balance issues because it seems like you guys have played enough to have some history vs each other (and will probably have more) but against a random unknown I don't think balance issues would be relevant to this decision.P.P.S. If you are really worried about folding them out, even a min-cbet on this flop is better than a check IMO.
Balancing: IMO its the most overrated and misused concept in poker. Its +EV and neccessary only when you are doing it correctly, mostly applies games where playerpool is very limited (especially high stakes 10/20+ cashgames). $60 HUSNG it leads to spew or you are missing some EV points. People dont pay attention on these limits and even if they do, they need large-large sample of hands. HUSNG is little bit tricky because blinds increase in every 2, 3, 5, 10 minutes, also stack sizes matters alot what means your or your opponent strategy changes depening on effective stacks.Anyway, I checked the flop because overall my CBET Success on the flop is 47% which is pretty high (also I cbet a lot, 70% of the time). Its obvious that on wet boards this percent is smaller, dry boards higher. Also I flopped piece then opponent can have less hands and so he folds more.If we cbet, we get one, maybe 2 streets value from Ace or King high. Maybe we get played back but in my experience it dosent happen a lot. Maybe 10-15%, not more. So we really hope he have A/K high and spikes pair on the turn or he have pair now or he decided to slowplay big pocket PF and then we get his stack.If we check back we get the stacks from the same range (slowplayed pocket, A/K high spike the pair etc) BUT we let him get some extra equity. Like 79 hits 9 on the turn or he picks up draw or he DECIDE to make bluff.And if he hits his pair on the turn and we raise then 20-25BB deep its god damn hard to bet-fold, he needs good reads + good dicipline and again in my experience people do bad calls/stacks off more than good folds. Thats also why valuebet is the most important bet in poker.But maybe you guys are right because my HUSNG experience is pretty limited (1200 games so far). I hope we get some new comments from others as well.
I like not cbetting here way better exactly for the reasons your giving. The board is very dry, there are hardly any 4x hand in his range and he shouldn't have to many draws on this bord. So i'd prefer giving a free card and hope he spikes a pair or picks up some extra equity on turn & decides to bluf turn with a draw or something.I just think there's very little value in cbetting against his range here, so why do it. And i also think betting here for balancing reasons is simply not the best +eV option.I like rasing the turn lead a bit bigger to set up stacks for river bet and let a 9x (or any hand for that matter that picks up a pair) hand make the mistake of not being able to fold their hand to your turnraise.The river card is kinda ugly, cause i think TJ and flushdraws are exactly the type of hand i'd see in his turn bet/calling range and then checking to you on the river giving you the opportunity to continue with any blufs or vbetm your 8x hand and then c/raise you.At lower stakes i see a lot of players just jamming a 9x hand over your turn raise. If you see this player also doing that, you might even opt for a check behind(?!) on the river cause i simply see very little hand here your getting value from. If you think he'd bet/call turn; check river with hands like 9x, (or QJ,QT maybe, but only very few players have these hand in their bet/call turn range followed by a check on river) then yeah, bet small/fold river for value.
I like check behind flop :) turn x 150 and bet fold (x100 chips) river... I think he call with 9xqx,ax (rarely) and raise fd str8 imo.
Results: I bet t100 on the turn and he called with 97 (no flushdraw). I agree larger turn raise. Thank your for thinking and helping to analyze the hand.