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Hey guys,my name is Matt. I moved from 200NL HU to HU SNGs and played up to the 100s after being coached from mers and mjw006. Because of downswing issues and a needed big cashout I'm currently only rolled for the 22s but I hope to get the 100s again in some time.Just one question and 2 quick hands to start: If you want to rly improve as a poker player how many tables do you think is optimal? A lot of highstakes regs like spamz, h2olga, livb do/did only play one table but I have the feeling that I'm getting killed by variance if I do this because of my job/studies I cant rly put in sick volume. During the week I can play max. 2h/d. So I thought of 2 tabling like 50-70 % time and 1 table the rest.Hands:Both same villain. He wasnt literally folding to any cbet (f2cbet like 9 %) so I limped most hands and raised only like 20 % for pure value. He minraised some of my limps but not to many but he was definitly aggro postflop.1. HandI'm rly unsure in these spots. I think I stacked of too light in the past so I wanna address this now. What do you here? I was certain that he jams the river if I flat but do we stack off here? If not what is your range for calling him down in this spot?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBPlayer12215  BTNHero785  Effective Stacks: 26bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero calls 15, Player1 checks Flop (60, 2 players) Player1 checks, Hero bets 30, Player1 raises to 120, Hero calls 90 Turn (300, 2 players) Player1 bets 120, Hero ? 2. HandSpot or fine vs this guy as there are so many busted draws in his range and he cant rly rep much?  No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$22+$1 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBpicstloup1695  SBHero1305  Effective Stacks: 44bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, picstloup raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) picstloup bets 60, Hero calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) picstloup bets 120, Hero calls 120 River (480, 2 players) picstloup bets 420, Hero calls 420 Final Pot: 1320 Edit: Found a last interesting hand from this matchIs he repping anything other than 65s? I dont know but I just couldnt fold Kx here (would have called K5/K6 also).No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$22+$1 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBpicstloup1210  SBHero1790  Effective Stacks: 40bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, picstloup checks Flop (60, 2 players) picstloup checks, Hero bets 45, picstloup calls 45 Turn (150, 2 players) picstloup checks, Hero bets 110, picstloup calls 110 River (370, 2 players) picstloup checks, Hero bets 240, picstloup raises to 840, Hero calls 600 Final Pot: 2050  

Lebo44's picture
As far as I know the variance

As far as I know variance is ROI dependant, not volume dependant. So by playing more tables you actually increases your variance, as you ROI will be certainly lower due to losing focus. There was even a thread about it on 2p2.I really respect guys who are able to multitable husngs. I tried it and its extremely hard for me to get any reads or even frequencies playing two opponents simultaneously.

Lebo44's picture
My 2 cents concerning last

My 2 cents concerning last hand:I expect him to have J2, J3, J4, 23o, 22, 33 or maybe even 44. And he probably assumed you couldn't have set or A5 (as you would raise or minraise with any pair or ace) and it was unlikely that you had 65 (that play would be too aggro for such hand). So quite dry board IMO (of course it was flushy, but still). 

zZzTILT's picture
Regarding your post about

Regarding your post about variance. You're totally right. But I play 70-80 % of time braindead fish and even the regs aren't very good at the 22s/34s. So I think mostly 2 tabling with the occasional 1 tabling session up to the 55s and then I would switch back to mostly 1 tabling as there are more decent players to encounter. This is mostly to my limited spare time because if I 1 table 30h/month that's just 170/180 games.

mersenneary's picture
Big volume helps you get to

Big volume helps you get to the long run faster, which decreases your variance in terms of how many losing months you have, etc. That's assuming it doesn't hurt your play too much :) I'm a big believer in training yourself to put in volume. Not doing so is a leak just like any other leak if you'd be able to if you tried. I very much like your strat adjustment vs the player who was calling tons of c-bets/minraising limps. Minraising limps with a wide-ish is an awful tendency to have and makes me very much want to play limped pots vs him, not getting pushed out pre ever is a big plus. In hand 1, there's nothing you can do except call turn. Post the river decision :) He can have Tx for sure but also a lot of draws and random stuff betting small.The second really depends a ton on exactly what you've seen him do, not just "aggro postflop". Have you seen this turn sizing from him as a bluff? This river sizing from him as a bluff? This river sizing for him for value? How wide would he bet the turn for value? I'm asking these questions rhetorically, the job is to think back through all the hands, as I think you're smart enough to know what the answer to each question means in terms of helping/hurting a river call. But I certainly don't hate it (or am 100% convinced of it) without futher reads. But those are the things to be thinking about. Any reason behind 45 instead of 30 in the last hand? (can be fine). The river is just a puke spot, It's a fold without any more information but a call is certainly reasonable based on his bluffing tendencies/how he'd play his flush draws/whether he'd ever turn a pair into a bluff. 

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Hand 1: River was a 3 and I

Hand 1: River was a 3 and I stacked off against T9.Hand 2: I didnt have any futher reads on turn and river betting freq / sizing. If I had I think this would have been a much easier decision. But good points to think about! What do you usually do in these spots without many reads?Hand 3: I had the feeling that he called minbets in limped pots with any2 so this bet should give me a little bit more foldeq but was also a valuebet. River your right... without more reads this should have been a fold.Thanks!

mersenneary's picture
"Hand 1: River was a 3 and I

"Hand 1: River was a 3 and I stacked off against T9. Hand 2: I didnt have any futher reads on turn and river betting freq / sizing. If I had I think this would have been a much easier decision. But good points to think about! What do you usually do in these spots without many reads? Hand 3: I had the feeling that he called minbets in limped pots with any2 so this bet should give me a little bit more foldeq but was also a valuebet. River your right... without more reads this should have been a fold." For the first hand, I'm confused as to why you thought your big decision was on the turn. It's on the river. Hand 2 I think call is fine.

meatwad's picture
In response to your volume

In response to your volume problem - why not play turbos?  You can get in many more tourneys in your limited time.

zZzTILT's picture
I play stars turbos. FTP

I play stars turbos. FTP turbos are a lot more variance and I like starting with 75bb as I'm coming from HU Cash. :)I have two question before posting some fresh hands.1.) Would you scope your opponents when they haved joined you to get a bit more information or wouldnt you recommend this to not cloud your judgment?2.) How many hands / day on avg. do you think is fine? I think a lot of "us" is asking themselves this question. As I'm very eager on learning as much as possible I think I could easily overdo it but I rly dont wanna take advantage of you or anything like that.3.) What do you prefer: converted hands like the previous ones or like these in this post? I think the advantage of this is that is more "compact" and cleaner. But I convert them in the way you want it. 1. HandNot much reads. Villain min3bet/small 3bet like 40 %, called 30 %, limped 90 % and called down with 4th pair or sth like that. As I'm unsure in these riverspots maybe you could give some general advice what to do in these spots? What is your calling for e.g. here and what is a fishs usual river raising range in general in your experience? I find it to be very strong in most cases and up to now I rather fold than call this without a very good hand. I even considered folding in this spot before timing down.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/12353872. HandAlright. Interesting (first) hand I think. Pre and flop play should be standard and good, right? Turn I like donking a lot to get value from midpairs, AQ/AK certainly, draws, turned Jx. If I would have checked I think villain check back quite a bit. Thoughts especially on the sizing (turn good? river maybe bigger? idk..) and of course on my line is appreciated. :) http://www.handconverter.com/hands/12353923. HandAnother common trouble spot for me. Villain called pre around 50 %, raised 15 %, limped 70 %. He called cbet more than half of the time but this was his first c/r. He wasnt very aggro overall.I think his range is quite strong here (good draws, 8x+) so I just flat. On the turn I really dont know. Fold seems best but I feel weak playing this line and like burning money...http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235400

mersenneary's picture
"1.) Would you scope your

"1.) Would you scope your opponents when they haved joined you to get a bit more information or wouldnt you recommend this to not cloud your judgment? 2.) How many hands / day on avg. do you think is fine? I think a lot of "us" is asking themselves this question. As I'm very eager on learning as much as possible I think I could easily overdo it but I rly dont wanna take advantage of you or anything like that. 3.) What do you prefer: converted hands like the previous ones or like these in this post? I think the advantage of this is that is more "compact" and cleaner. But I convert them in the way you want it." 1. I don't scope them, but it's fine to.2. I would just make sure you're not asking so many questions we can't have a coherant conversation, trying to talk about 6 different hands at once and all. If I feel we're not having a coherant conversation I'll just pick out a hand or two of what you post and talk about that. In general a hand or two a day with a theory question is reasonable, but I'm not going to set hard and fast rules or anything like that. If anybody ever has a problem with the attention they're getting just come talk to me, I won't be upset.3. I don't care :)

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235387I take your exact line basically, I know we don't feel good on the river but trust me we're good 23% of the tim here. I like the bigger turn sizing for sure if you bet (check raising also an option depending on frequencies). 

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235392Preflop and flop perfectly standard, turn looks fine. I think I'd bet a little bigger on the river, 380 or so. His line is odd as hell, I have no idea what he has.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235400I think you can call this turn. I'm not loving it, but we'll hit an ace or a five 12% of the time and have some implied odds there when we hit, he can have some flush draws that picked up a straight draw on the turn or something like that, occasionally he'll have worse 5s, and even when he has 8x we're in position so when he checks the river on some scare cards we can bluff and have some extra equity that way. I think a fold is reasonable, but think we have just enough in expectation from continuing.

zZzTILT's picture
Today I just got quick 2 HH,

Today I just got quick 2 HH, nothing special I think. But I try stop posting them and instead, on the weekend, I try to really go into my game, look where I think are my trouble area and write a bit about them and try to find fitting hand histories. I think thats more benefical and we can start some good discussions from there I think. :) Anyways..1. HandStandard fish. Kinda passiva, calls light, etc. No real reads. I go for thin value quite (maybe too..) often but do you bet here? I just could think of much that can call here and rather valuetown myself mostly. Flopbet could have been a little bit bigger but I can stack him easily on the river so I dont know if that's a real issue here. But against draws a bet of t130-140 would have been a bit better I think.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/12366672. Hand4th hand or so. He raised his btns so he seems not to be that passive but he is a big loser on sharkscope. Flop and turn good? Would you call a river jam? Personally I'd fold without more reads.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236675Thanks! And I think this group will be a huge success. Keep it up, mers! :) 

reallymonkeyish's picture
Hand 1.

Hand 1. http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236667 (I sort of like you posting the link and not inline btw):Against the described player, I think a bet of like 120-220 on the river would get you called a lot by worse pairs. I don't think that player bluffs you often at ALL on that river. Hand 2. http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236675:Against a big loser who donks that size on the flop I would call down readless since it's draws and total airballs a LOT more than flushes or better Kx ime, but want to hear what others think.

ThisWillFitForSure's picture
were u planning to c/c

were u planning to c/c in http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235387 on the flop? i think leading there has some merit. i think we have too much value on the river to check so a bet is better i think, that raise is so small that as mers said i think we need to call herelast 2 hands hand 1 i think its fine as played but on hand 2 maybe u can jam turn (i think raising smaller seems too strong) and get called by JXc AXc or smthing a lot straight draw+ fd or smth, if u are already beat u have outs for the fd and you arent sure if he is going to bet his missed fd on the river (please mers see if there is anythign wrong with my thought here)i hope u dont mind me jumping on your thread, if u like only mers answers is fine :)

zZzTILT's picture
Of course not. Every answer

Of course not. Every answer is appreciated. :)

zZzTILT's picture
Reg, early in the match. no

Reg, early in the match. no real reads. this was the first 3bet of the match.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1237065Ok or spew? He rarely has Kx here and I think mostly Jx, maybe others pairs like 88/99 and passive played draws? Do you see him folding Jx here? What do you think of my play?

meatwad's picture
IMO if its too early in the

IMO if its too early in the match to have reads its probably too early in the match to 3-barrel although I totally see how you got there (flop c-bet, turn K - good card to bluff, river - no obvious draws hit etc.) and it seems really weak to check on this river.  I did the same thing a few times today so I'm definitely interested if I'm just to results oriented.

zZzTILT's picture
Weird hand.. villain was

Weird hand.. villain was donking 40-50 % but I had no clue with what. On this board he reps nothing so I decided to put in a small raise. On the turn I'm rly unsure. My bet is a kinda blocking/vbet against draws / ocs. When he shoves I have no clue whether to call or fold as the small bet might induce stuff.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1238996

zZzTILT's picture
Here are 2 hands against a

Here are 2 hands against a decent reg. Hand 1 could reveal a big leak but idk.Villain was donking 100 % of flops (2/2 until Hand 2) and I folded both times. He also bluff c/r me in a limped pot on KJ3r with Q4o (he showed his hand afterwards). He seems to be suspicious overall (called 4th pair on 56JKQ).Hand 1:This is a good c/r flop and I'm sure he knows that. His 3bet is weird. Dont think he would 3bet with a monster here. Maybe 87 which I got crushed. Overall it doesnt make a lot of sense. But maybe he just wanna induce... Is this pure spew? In general a float should be better right?http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1240047Hand 2:Dont know what he has here. Busted draws, Tx? Dont know whether he would lead tp. Do you call turn? What about river?http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1240051 Hand 3 is a against a total maniac. Agg freq. 65 %, min3bets over 50 %, 3-4x any limp etc.Standard or overplayed? I figured he might call any queen, any draw, worse kings and he has also some air in his range.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1240073 

reallymonkeyish's picture
Hand 2 I think raising turn

Hand 2 I think raising turn small is an option that makes the hand play more easily; a big part of his range is blockbetting draws and thinks he doesn't have much FE when the board pairs.  Obv fold to a 3bet since your hand looks a LOT like Tx if you raise small there and if he's inducing he'll let you know. Hand 3 looks good vs. a maniac.

reallymonkeyish's picture
In hand 1, I tend to not c/r

In hand 1, I tend to not c/r those type of boards vs. suspicious regs, you get 3bet way too much and rep very very little.  I would like your c/r a lot more with K3 or A9 fwiw, interested to know what others think cause I'm not awesome in these spots.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236667I would also c-bet bigger vs loose/stationy/passive player, and I also like a small river value bet. There are a few two pair hands but not as many as you might think. There's also a clear missed flush draw for him to put you on.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236675No other way to play this hand I think, flop decision is close-ish but I still think flatting is best, turn you have no decision, on the river we chop with all Kx so there isn't even value to be had there, I would check as well.

Mareen's picture
What do you think about

What do you think about Reraising Turn to maybe 600 (or Jaming) to get value from any Cross Type Stuff?    

mersenneary's picture
"What do you think about

"What do you think about Reraising Turn to maybe 600 (or Jaming) to get value from any Cross Type Stuff?" Sorry Mareen - which hand?

Mareen's picture
"What do you think about

"What do you think about Reraising Turn to maybe 600 (or Jaming) to get value from any Cross Type Stuff?" Sorry Mareen - which hand?Ups, thought I pasted the link by clicking on Reply :-)This one:http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236675

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236675I don't see a lot of players at the $22s folding Jx third hand of the match, no. I think vs the general population flatting pre is going to be better than 3betting. I would give up but jamming isn't going to be that -EV.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1238996I would like the small turn bet a lot better if you had floated flop, as it is though, given that he called the flop riase and the 7 gives a lot of draws a pair or a straight, I think his range is too strong to bet, and I would check behind. I would fold to the jam - what do you think you're inducing from that called the flop raise? If he thought he had the best hand on the flop he's unlikely to bluffjam turn and if he had a draw he has a pair now for the most part.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1240047I think this is very spewy, yeah. I also think it's odd you think 78 might do this - I have never in my life seen this play from an openender in this spot (it would be funny if that is what he had :) ). People do this a good amount with their inducing hands and in my experience, far more often than their pure bluffs. You need far more reads than given to make this play.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1240047'I dislike raising turn (it may play easier, but it very likely has worse equity, as we do worse vs all his value hands) and think the hand is played fine. Sizing reads are EXTREMELY useful in these spots if and when you have them.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1240073No other way to play it especially given description.

mersenneary's picture
I think raising turn isn't

I think raising turn isn't going to be that bad (on second look, I take back that it's not an option), but I still think his flop overbet/strong bet on the turn is going to have a lot of baby flushes/two pair/straight in it, and think flatting is best.

Mareen's picture
"I think raising turn isn't I

"I think raising turn isn'tI think raising turn isn't going to be that bad (on second look, I take back that it's not an option), but I still think his flop overbet/strong bet on the turn is going to have a lot of baby flushes/two pair/straight in it, and think flatting is best." Thank you, that make sense.Maybe I have to think more "Small Ball"

mersenneary's picture
It's not necessarily about

It's not necessarily about smallball - if I thought that we had better equity by raising, even slightly, I would do it without thinking twice. I just think given the unique overbet/strong turn bet we're actually beat a good amount of the time here, and when we are we're often crushed. But obviously not often enough to consider folding or anything like that.

zZzTILT's picture
1. Hand Villain is a decent

1. HandVillain is a decent reg. Plays solid, some c/raises, some 3bets from both of us during the match. First donkbet. I wonder what his range is in this spot. Weakish pairs, draws, some OCs maybe? Dont think he donks his good hands tbh because he was c/raising a decent amount. Turn I thought about raising because I can rep a whole bunch of hands (floated ocs, sets, two pairs although I raise the flop mostly). Also I thought about floating again und betting the river on good cards if he checks to me. In the end I timed down because I didnt wanna spew off my stack again, which is a think a leak of mine vs active regs. :)http://www.handconverter.com/hands/12421442. Handhttp://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242169Dont remember to much about this opponent other than he was a losing player, but not braindead. Called 80 %, raised/limped 50/50, donked 10-20 % maybe. On the river I figured he is quite weak but I'm not sure whether he snaps me with Qx here or if this is an inducing bet/vbet. Better fold?3. HandA quick 3rd hand. Same opponent as in hand 2. Any other option than jamming? Maybe 3betting small? But idk if this doesn't seem stronger than jamming.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242176 

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242144This depends a ton on the reg and exactly what you've seen, a ton of regs will never take this line as a bluff and shut down on the flop once called. I dislike your idea about calling to take the pot away on the river, though - I think his range is strongly weighted towards Kx/9x/draws and so the only thing you'll be taking the pot away from is the missed draws you're ahead of anyway.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242169I would fold here, with further reads about the weakness of his betsizing here you can bluff but I don't think people take this line with worse than Qx very often so I don't think there's a lot of weak pairs to bluff out.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242176Strongly prefer jamming to a smaller 3bet on the flop, that would look super super strong.

zZzTILT's picture
Thanks for all your input,

Thanks for all your input, mers. Really helps me a lot.Today I got 2 hand about "making tough folds", in which I both called, obv. :)1. HandOk Regs, didnt get out of line at all, 70% or, 50 % call, 17 % 13bet, postflop as mentioned straightforward (cbet freq kinda low with 50 %9. His line doesnt make much sense except for Q8/88 maybe, although I dont know whether he cbets 88 here. But because he was so straightforward I'm not sure if the call is good.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/12439892. HandWeird villain. Called 70-80% but folded 70 % to cbets. Turn I didnt barrel because I think I have so much FEQ that I rather check and vbet the river because he wont call 2 streets anyways on the turn. First time he bets so big. I think this is a vbet so often so that I should have folded river?http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1243992

reallymonkeyish's picture
Hand 1: I think his hand is

Hand 1: I think his hand is value a ton, and we need like 28%.  So the question is what kind of value he can have.Do you know what his flop checkback range consisted of?  Like was it air, or marginal showdown, or trappy TP stuff?  Also, did he take bet/check/bet lines ever (which would indicate he pot controls or does weird stuff with TP on the turn)?  What was his raise frequency (i.e. can he ever have 83/82, which goes along with knowing his flop checkback range)?Really interested to see what mers has to say here...if we can put like ANYTHING else in his range a call becomes good, especially since there are no straights or flushes. Also, if he can check back Q8 on the turn, he can check back Q9/QT/QJ/KQ some of the time, and only needs to do a tiny bit of "f it I jam" for a call to be good.It comes down to the fact that Q8 is 6 combos, 88 is 3 combos, and then we have the weirdly played hands like 73/72/33/22/32/Q3/Q2. And if he plays Q8 like this, there is more value that you beat in his range. If he were raising 100% pre I would snap here, if not, his monsters might just be too big a portion of his range, but it's close. Hand 2: not sure about the checkback; the fact that he folds a lot of flops makes me want to bet the turn more, not less. Especially if you make it smallish you can charge draws (which won't pay you on the river), get value from floated Ax (which he should have even as described on that board), and 9x shouldn't be folding. It's close between getting value from 7x and charging draws...but one nice thing about betting turn is that you get 3 sts from Ax, and he also picks up some pair+FD on the turn (not a huge part of his range, but def worth considering).I call the river given that he has a decent amount of Ax (depending on his 3bet tendencies) and we're beating most of that. Sucks a bit that 8T got there, but that's not that much compared to Ax combos which prob play similarly. (As always, take this with a grain of salt till Mers posts, this is more for me to work on my own thought processes, since I f*** up at the actual table a lot)

zZzTILT's picture
Also thanks for your input,

Also thanks for your input, reallymonkeyish. Btw, are you from Germany, too? Tim Galebach seems like a german name. :D

reallymonkeyish's picture
nein, ich bin Amerikaner,

nein, ich bin Amerikaner, aber die Familie meines Vaters kommt daraus lolalso add me on Skype if you're gonna look up my contact in the thread haha, your threads have been good man.

zZzTILT's picture
Haha, ok. Will do. ;)

Haha, ok. Will do. ;)

jackoneill's picture
Regarding the tables, I lost

Regarding the tables, I lost a ton of money last month trying to maintain platinum status at Stars on the $50's - sometimes I even ended up playing 3 tables by accident while playing 4-mans.  It was just "the big grind of the death".Now, I took a break from Stars and play at a smaller site, single-tabling, and I'm really surprised about how much more I can actually focus on my opponent and see what they're doing.  I'm also experiencing a much lower variance at the moment.Focus and volume is really something I still need to work on, for instance I just played about two hours, read a bit in this forum while waiting for action, and now I'm even too tired to look at specific hands.


mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1243989Yeah, against a reg who doesn't get out of line a lot, this is just a big "WTF" moment when he jams river. He reps nothing for bluff and very few hands for value (to comfort you, as per the essential reading list Ed Miller article, this hand means next to nothing in terms of correcting leaks for that reason). I think what it comes down to is whether 82/83/slowplayed stuff like AA/KK/AQ/73 etc are ever in his range, but since we only need 28% and literally only 88 makes perfect sense for a value hand (87 too I suppose), I think we have to call. Can't love it of course.

mersenneary's picture
http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1243992Definitely bet turn here, I think checking is way too Fancy Play Syndrome. There's a ton to get value out of and I don't think the ace is going to fold people out as much as you might think or that we can never get called on the river. On the river, I think it's a super clear call, we may be beat even most of the time here but we're not beat 70%+. As reallymonkeyish points out he can call the flop with Ax a good bit and there are also missed draws he can go this size with.

zZzTILT's picture
At the moment I'm often

At the moment I'm often unsure about my decision, so I thought I post some "standard" spots to make sure my thought process is ok.1. HandVillain opened 20 %, 3bet 8-10% and limped like 40-50% of hands. Flop is a standard float with these odds, right? On the turn I check behind because I have the best hand sometimes and I dont think he will fold to a turn bet. If I bet turn I would have to jam river but I didnt want to do this at that point of time without more specific reads about his 3betting range.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/12485762. HandPlayed this villain a couple of matches. He folded to cbets 10 % over couple of hundred hands and flatted 65 %, c/raises like 35 %. He raised my turnbet with A high after check check dry flop in limped pot and likes to overbet bluff rivers. He also calls down with any pair.Is this such a spot whether it never minds whether I call or fold? I dont know if he c/raises all his fd draws but it is certainly possible. He can have two pair in this spot but also total air as he likes to chase any gs.http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1248580

mersenneary's picture
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http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1248576I think flop is pretty close. This betsize is going to be weighted against hands you're ahead of or have 6 outs against - I would argue for a fold to a half-pot cbet if your opponent has only been 3betting around 8%. vs a bet of 100, it's pretty close and I'm ok with calling, we have a backdoor flush draw which helps a ton. On this turn after he checks, I think you should go ahead and bet turn/bet the river. He's going to have overcards far more often then overpairs and I think vs this player type you can fold out a ton of his range. This is especially true if he tends to make more sizable bets for value when he does have a hand.

mersenneary's picture
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http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1248580Against most people you should be folding to this jam beause of how little air there is in his range, whether or not to call depends really on exactly what happened in the match and the way to interpret your reads. Your river sizing may induce a good bit based on his tendencies, and if he's calling down larger sizings with 9x that might be a better choice.

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