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Weak top pair in 3x'd pot

Villain always 3xes pre, his std cbet size is unexistant seems to spasm around from 1/3d pot to full pot, have seen him do it without it making sense (like small bets with vulnerable hands on wet boards or vice versa) seems to be "at random"   No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1410  SBpodgekitlak1590  Effective Stacks: 28bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is BB podgekitlak raises to 150, Hero calls 100 Flop (300, 2 players) Hero checks, podgekitlak bets 100, Hero calls 100 Turn (500, 2 players) Hero checks, podgekitlak bets 250, Hero?????  

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What's his opening frequency?

What's his opening frequency? If it's healthy (60%+, maybe less than that) jamming pre is going to be best. I think it's generally better to c/r flop here especially with the spade draw that you can rep. Once you c/c I think you have to c/c the turn bet as well because I doubt he bet/calls with Qx very often and we really want him to bluff his missed draws on the river. With your line, you have Qx a lot and that's folding to a river jam a ton so it's great when we can induce that. Obviously we're not loving live with A5 here, but it takes reads to fold at any point on a blank river.

JackTheShipper's picture
yeah its prety healthylike

yeah its prety healthylike around 70% from btn, pretty wide opener, but HMM i might have stumbled upon a big leak of mine here!! because at 28bbs i like reship NOTHING exept for pp's i only start thinking about reshipping from 22ish BBs.Could you maybe, uuhm, talk abit about reshipping range vs diff openers? further on this** in a ST game if u knew villain would open over 60% of hands (just go with it, lets assume u miraculously know this) and its first hand then u are reshipping A5o?

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If he's 3xing 60% of hands?

If he's 3xing 60% of hands? You bet. It's a very easy all-in. If he calls with 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,A2o+,KTo+,QJo, that means he's going to call roughly 35% of the time or so (taking into account card removal), and we'll have 42% equity when called (and are losing about 4bb from the start of the hand). 65% of the time, we win 3bb from the start of the hand. Overall, then, we're gaining about a half a big blind from the start of the hand when we shove - and remember that are alternatives are folding (-1bb from the start of the hand) or calling (not exactly a wonderful spot).22bb is way too shallow to start re-shipping against frequent 3xers. Does this math make sense as to why?

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yeah very much, i was over at

yeah very much, i was over at a friends house a while back, and we watched and discussed one of your vids on the PT3 analysis, so im familiar with ur folding equals (-1bb) hence making a -0.5bb play with a certain hand, is better, even tho it is not a winning play etc.. THIS is why i love you, i am way too fish+lazy to do these calcs, and i should really learn it to be honest haha, but you are so great at it, and known for ur "being good in maths" that these kind of explanations are very valuable to me, and also understandable (graduated an advanced science and mathematics program at age 17 over here.) dno what its comparable to, with the USA school system, so cant really say. but i deffo have a good understanding of math, i just fail to apply it properly in my game. thats why these kinds of explanations make PERFECT sense to me :) :) i have another question about this, if you dont mind. If its a superturbo game, and same villain, opening just as wide, BUT this time hes only 2xing (minraising) what would a +- optimal reshipping range be 25bbs deep? and versus what type of villain at what kind of stacksizes, would you flat a weak ace (A8-) i hate myself, for asking these pretty general questions, i have some friends who play 10s and somewhat look up to me(thinly veiled brag?? ) and ask me questions like this all the time, like IN GENERAL VS NORMAL OPPONENT and its soo hard to give a correct answer, because almost every hu game is diff. and "normal" is so hard to define. but i cant think of any way to word it better at this time... if i find a better way to word it, ill post here. Much loveJ

mersenneary's picture
60% is going to be a pretty

60% is going to be a pretty average minraising range, so I'll just give you my first hand 3bet jamming range in an ST versus a random: A8o+, A7s+, 22+ (I'm also 3bet/calling with KQ/KJs/premium pairs). Since you have a site subscription, you can watch my advanced BB play powerpoint which shows more of the math of why (for those who don't have it, I'm happy to go over it here as well). It takes closer to a 90% opening range before it's best to jam any ace rather than flat based on my math, 25bb deep.