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Tough river play

Against 70% OR but with low cbet (something like 44%) thats why I decided to start donking this hand.

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at 44% cbet this is usually

at 44% cbet this is usually when they have hit (approx 30%) or have a draw(approx 10%)  FD/OESD and at 44% i suspect some 2OC and gut shots

as such i think a check call is better, if the flop goes check check i believe the pot can be donked on turn cause that indicates no hand no draw to me

i would be liking the fact he checks behind a decent amount as this lets me get to showdown cheaper with my weak pairs etc

once u double barrel if you check the river even alot of bad players know to bet and win the pot without showdown

as played i would fold to the river jam looks like he hit his flush to me also alot of bad players are calling with a Q and a flush draw on the flop to a donk so i the donk just puts you in a tough spot when villain calls

when villain checks flop we will pick it up alot with an air bluff on turn, and weaker value hands will get to see a showdown more often

i would check flop, call if villain bets and give up on turn to further action (since villain is cbetting so rarely i expect him to have decent equity when he bets even if he is not thinking along equity / hand range lines, he seems to be playing fairly fit fold when he gets called pre)if flop went check check i would not expect a draw and would now lead turn and if called lead river too (if villain raises me on turn or river i would fold)

 

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Allright! Are you donking at

Allright!

Are you donking at all on your strategy? I mean, I always have seen pros telling you to donkbet when villain has a low cbet, specially when you hit something that needs protections against the board run out (like a pair of sixes)

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yes i do donk i would prolly

yes i do donk i would prolly donk some draws but also pairs slightly higher than a 6 even though it is second pair it is still weak and vulnerable when called

if you had say Ks9h and flop was Qd9s2d i would donk bet here i would probably go as low as a pair of eights but smaller pairs i want this passive villain to let me get to show down cheaply or take control on turn and river when he checks behind the flop

i wonder would you donk bet if you had K3 and hit the bottom pair with the 3?

because now that i think about it more i wonder if donking the pair of 3s would be better than check calling the flop and giving up on turn but i think it would have to be donk flop give up because i think on the turn the pair of 3s pretty much becomes a bluff to continue with, i think that line would run pretty close to how the pair of 6s would play , while it is going to turn the hand into a bluff on the turn i think maybe a donk for protection on flop against letting him hit a free card over a 6 or 3 might be better, so all that said now i think maybe a donk flop and give up turn might not be so bad with the pair of 6s but i definitely think once this villain calls flop he is doing so with a draw or a pair himself so i would definately give up on turn. hmm

 

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Yeah, I would donkbet also

Yeah, I would donkbet also with the K3.

You are assuming villain is going to play fit or fold against donkbets, but I can't assume that (actually I didnt have enought sample to know how is he reacting against donkbets) but from my experience you can expect a standar floating range with Ace high, King high, any pair obv, any gutshot and sometimes some random cards wich decides to pile one. 

That range he is checking bh, and he has good equity against me, so in my opinion, donking there it's for value. I dont necesseraly donkbet and give up if I get called, if the turn comes a good card I continue for value, if it's a bad card I check-call once and check-fold river since I do not expect him to barrel me off if he is Cbetting tight. It makes more sense to correlate the Cbetting stats with his passiveness postflop rather than compare it with his reaction against donkbets.

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ya i agree to continue on a

ya i agree to continue on a good card on turn but the 4d completes low draws (villain raising 70% he can have low cards) and the flush i think villain either has it now or has improved to a draw (with a high diamond or a 5 for a oesd)to where he will not fold very much as such betting turn knowing his range now has alot of equity would mean i would have to bet turn bet river or give up on turn i think giving up on turn on the 4d oop is better than betting turn to give up on river. but hmm ill think about it more but i do think that 4d is a scare card somewhat for villains flop call range