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elekamate's picture
Top par drawy flop against x/ raise

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$29.37+$0.63 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero540  BBartofbet460  Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 10, artofbet raises to 60, Hero calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) artofbet checks, Hero bets 60, artofbet raises to 180, Hero goes all-in 480, artofbet goes all-in 220 Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 1000 Hi!My opponent is a total unknown reggish player from SC, can i have a chance to bet/ fold it?

longjohn's picture
I've tried giving him a range here

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     41.143%      39.62%     01.52%              30205          1158.00   { Jh8d }Hand 1:     58.857%      57.34%     01.52%              43709          1158.00   { 88-55, Ks8s, Qs9s, Qs8s, Qs7s, JsTs, Js9s, J8s, Ts9s, 97s, 8c6c, 8d6d, 8h6h, 76s, KTo, QTo, 97o, 86o, 76o }I've tried giving him a range here (haven't really tried before so might not be very good), so I've put in every set , 2 pairs a few FD's  with over cards, not sure about them though and not sure about how many I put in, pairs + oesds and then a couple of random overcards incase he's sometimes bluffing and your still not in good shape, so if this range is at all accurate then it's probably a fold without reads.But that said what do you think of the range, do you ever try to use pokerstove to try to evalute your hands? what range would you give him?

elekamate's picture
Now i think that he is on a

Now i think that he is on a tight range so i prefer foldin on the flop. It is wierd that he x/raised, not bet/ called. The result is the same ( A8, sets, FD+2over and overpairs ).Imo the stove is useless here, because the range will be radical. Now the hand is totally clear. I'm not like the limp/fold preflop, brcause it plays so well against his range. Whst is your reason for limp/ folding?Thanks fwor your posts!

mateusz372's picture
Don't call his preflop raise.

Don't call his preflop raise.

outs_on_the_moon's picture
wether you can bet/fold here

wether you can bet/fold here or should bet and stick it in is very player/read dependend.Villains line is very strong, so yes, occasionally (but only occasionally) i think you can find an exploitable fold here.The board hit your perceived limp/calling range quit hard and still villain elects to first (!) check a wet conencted flop to you and seconly c/raises just to 180 instead of all-in (e.g. trying to maximi foldequity) giving you a good price (read: some villains choose non-all c/r because they want you to call or jam) to either call with combodraws or jam over the top with TP/pair+draw.So make up a range that you think he raising a limp with pre and then check-raises you smallish;; calculate the equity and see if you have the odds to make the allin. After his c/r your basically need to put in another 340 for a total pot of 920, meaning you need ~37% equity to breakeven Longjohn made up a range, but villains range is very player dependend. Some villains would not be raising a limp with hands like 55/66/68/65 etc and some villains will just attack limps with a very wide range. And also some villain would either lead/bet a hand like a8  very hard or checkraise allin instead of c/r 3 times your bet.So what did you think was villains range here?Equilate it and if you have the odds then, yes stick it in

Urban's picture
Hi. The flop is defenetly in

Hi. The flop is defenetly in your range so he must now that. If I know he is aware of that and he is solid player than I fold to his raise on flop. But If i know that he is manipulate me with Raises and limpraises pf and post flop with some not premium hands, than I would play like you here. But let say he is averege or better on this limits so I fold on flop and half a times on pf.

Barewire's picture
I'd play it the same

I'd play it the same postflop, I'm not totally convinced preflop is a good call though.

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