Welcome TWFFS! I'm going to use you as an example to post for people so they start posting their threads.Basically, I think it works best if each student has their own thread for their hand history questions - it helps with the continuity of me being able to talk to you about your thought process over multiple hands, helps you look back at some things you've learned, quickly find all of your questions and answers, and increases the personalization of this forum.Other users are strongly encouraged to continue to chime in on hands and give their advice/thoughts/ask questions: This isn't only advice for one person and I'm not the only one posting my thoughts.More general theory questions can either go in your thread or in a new thread, whichever you see fit.If you have any questions about this format or any suggestions about anything, please use the welcome thread, I'm happy to listen and give you what you want.
First of all thanks mers for opening this thread for me ( yah right way to up your post count :P ) and thanks for taking me as a student, im really glad i got into thisAs a little introduction i play the 22s/33s turbo on ftp and play for a living (cheap country helps), my sn on ftp is very similar to this one so if anyone recognize it and has played me come and say hello, maybe we can exchange thoughts or anythingTo get my thread going im gonna start posting 4 hands against same opponent, he limped some % but not too much, mostly minraised pre, hands are in correlative order (not one after the other tho) so maybe thats why i decided to bet some amounts/do some things correctly or incorrectly, so if u can judge this hands (anyone is welcome) would be great.Note* dont know if its right or wrong but that hand converter is powered by another training site, i really like that formatting and tbh the format to put hh in this forum (ive been trying for 15 minutes or so) is a pain in the ass, doesnt hide villain name and is just way too big to watch (i have to scroll it down to see whole hh) - if this isnt right pls tell me so and i will try and find another way but maybe a better hh converter working for the site/forum is neededHand 1: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1234183my standard raise to limps (and i try to attack limps early to see how they react) is 110, but last hand he was in the sb i raised his limp so i tried 120 for more fold equity, on the flop i cbet with the oesd thinking about shipping over a raise with the oesd + over, he flats turn im not sure yet if is good turn card to barrel, i would def barrel A or K turn but this i think he calls me again most of the time or can even raise me and push me out, he bets fairly small so i call him, not sure if its a leak but i would try and donk A and K rivers (good?) when the river hit i decided to give up but then he bets so small that doesnt seem a hand that can stand a c/shove mostly i thought it was thin value like 9x or smth like that i think i can make him fold a lot, even Tx without good kicker like T8 is gonna at least tank, thoughts? if i river the straight do you think its better to lead or to c/shove too (here im really lost and dont wanna be results oriented bc he bet the river so small )Hand 2: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1234184dont think 56o is strong enough to raise his limp and he has called a 4x raise to limp before so i just check, i lead with gutshot + second pair maybe a bit too small, the K turn isnt really that scary so i bet again for value on the river i thought it was a clear c/c to let him bluff his missed draws but want some input if its too thin and what hands are you c/c this river. any merit in firing third barrel with river? dont think so but any advice is acceptedHand 3: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1234187standard cbet on a dry high card board, the turn is interesting bc now we pick up oesd + 6 outs if he has 6x or less likely 3x, by the time the hand played i think i checked bc i didnt think he was folding a 6x like ever. the river seems interesting to me bc i dont see almost any 9x c/c flop maybe K9? A9? but thats a stretch imo, when he bets big on river and didnt show any sign of strenght on flop/turn i discount a lot Jx and im even ahead of 57 47 obv losing to 45. very interested in the turn play and if this is strong enough to call a bet on river (are you calling a psb?)Hand 4: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1234191this villain isnt limp/folding that much and i think T9o doesnt play that well against someone who limp/calls up to 4x so i just check, on this flop he could have very little to continue and i have bdfd + maybelive outs against a 7x with lots of fold equity (i make it bigger than my standard 150 bc i wanted mroe fold equity, good?) i biiiink turn and i decide to check willing to c/c but when he checks i think 7x or fd most likely, J river is a big brick in my eyes so i try and squeeze a thin vbet, wasnt sure what to do if he raised tho but i think i would lean towrd folding bc he has been passive mostly but if i vbet thin how we can be sure he isnt spazzing with fd bc of our sizing?, maybe check/calling was a better option but i think we get ltos of value most tiems when he has 7x (he might shove over c/r with fdç than the times he bets missed fd without showdown value. thing is how do you put this into the ecuation, i find myself more or less "feeling" this kind of spots.Sorry for posting so many hands at ocne but i tried my best including my thought process, cheers!
Hand 1: I'm ok with your reasoning for making it 120, agree that it should usually be smaller. I also like checking the turn, it's a card you're not going to get that many folds on. Definitely peel vs that size. On the river, I'm just folding, I don't trust people to fold when the draws miss and you rep next to nothing, but shoving can be ok against some.Hand 2: I think turn decision is pretty close, you're not really getting called by that many worse hands (you lose to almost all 6x) so I would probably check as standard, definitely no reason to bet river (we get value from nothing and probably don't fold out a lot). I also am fine with check/calling the river, especially that size, as while he does have some Kx/3x in his range, he has plenty of missed draws and I wouldn't expect a ton of 7x from this size.Hand 3: Why don't you think he was ever folding 6x to a double barrel? How about a triple barrel? Does he check/raise Jx on the flop, do you think? It's a dry board he will likely call with a lot of Ax/Kx/3x/6x that can be pushed out so I bet turn readless. On the river I think you can call as played but I don't love it because we kind of have to hope he's betting 7x like this, because he doesn't have much air in his range at all. The problem with your reasoning is that you don't think he has a lot of of Jx, but if that's true it's a big reason to barrel the turn.Hand 4: I think this is played well. Fold vs a raise against most.
ty mers for answeringon hand 2 do you check turn with the intention of c/c? bc i think if we check he bets most of the time with 7x maybe 6x and most of his draws 4x 5x fd and Kx so if we checks almost all the hands that call flop are betting into us (as a bluff or for value) thats why i decided to bet (half pot-ish trying to look like value)hand 3 ringed a bell, i think a second/third barrel was optimalI played someone for 2 matches and this hands developed in this order: (im gonna try and write less bc my posts seem so extensive, if u think i need help in some specific aspect please point it out or ask me any question)Hand 1: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235130maybe trivial, villain donked a lot like 30% of total pots oop but this is the first time he mindonks, we dont have a kicker but maybe he is trying to gain free cards with diamonds, do we still raise or is it too traparent?Hand 2: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235131turn i call bc dont think he is raising 9x on flop and we now chop with all Tx (TJ QT KT AT i think are raising pre given villain raised pre a fair amount) plus his sizing is very big seems he wants to push us out or is nutted (fh, maybe straight but once before he overbet 150 into 120 river with fh) on river i think its a fair price to pay we chop all Tx (AT unlikely) and he could still have Jx (unlikely but still)Hand 3: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235135he kept donking but in this hand im unsure where to get more value, i think raising river is somewhat marginal but still +ev expecting him to call Qx Jx a fair amount (not so much tho) and dont expect him to bluffshove over like ever. where do i get more value here?Hand 4: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235137decided not to raise pre bc of stacksizes and be in an akward situation when he limp/calls and i miss flop (or get A high and he folds) A8s i think i raise tho. turn i bet big to get value from spades mostly, and on the river i thought he couldn have anything to call me and if i checked he might check back anything bc i wasnt sure he was going to bet his missed spades himself so i tried betting smaller under 1/3 pot to a) induce a raise from spades b) try to level him into a call with all his range for calling turn, when he raises im happy and call, thoughts comparing this to c/c bluffcatching?
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235130Yep, raise and get it in. Too much value from worse pairs/diamonds. I need a read that he'll do this then bomb the turn with air before I flat.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235131Prefer check/calling this flop - Getting raised sucks because we really have fairly poor equity against his raising range and poor expectation when we're OOP for the rest of the hand. As played I'm fine with the calldown, we chop with JT/T7/other Tx which helps a lot. I like your reasoning for the rest of the hand.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235135I would raise/fold turn here, he's going to have a lot of JT type stuff you can get value out of. I doubt he'll bluffshove very often at all. River raise looks fine as played.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1235137I actually just jam pre vs a lot of people here - you'll see some really lol calls a decent amount of the time (people also have a hard time limp-folding their ace-rag when they do so) but checking is fine, raising to 150-175 would be fine too. All very close. I'm OK with your river sizing, definitely prefer betting to c/c I think, would usually just make a t140 bet but there's merit to your thought process.
first hand of the match, unknown opponent: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236847i tend to lead a lot on limped pots (i think not so much with air but i dont think i need balancing in lowstakes) id appreciate input on flop/turn/river but my logic its that 5 on turn is a good card for us, with that river our hand goes into trash but i still think we can fold out all the fd and straight draw and dont see much Ax or Kx limping as a default
*** I need 950 on stars i have 950 on ftp, anyone can help me out please? tytyty ***edit: taken care of ty anyway guys :) now off to post some hands!
First two hands of a $5 ST (im trying to incorpore those slowly into my game) so feel free to give some standard advice for st (as if u were talking to a guy just approachin them but with some experience playing 50bb and below)hand 1: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1239511gutshot + over + bdfd seems like an easy call here imo, that psb on turn looks weird and we have too much fold equity and if called outs to fold, calling here i assume is a mistake readless, thoughts?hand 2: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1239526second hand of the match he shoves quickly after losing the pot in hand 1, i think its close or maybe i thought too much he could be tilting but folding this with gameflow seems weak to me (KJs and KQo are snap call right?) is this ok?hand 3: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1239537this is from a turbo against a villain that was 3xing pre a lot and calling 3bets to this size regularly, checking that flop seems so trappy to me, i bet small hoping to get floated or shoved, on turn i think if i bet he is folding his Kx Qx kinda hands a lot, obv he isnt folding 6x but if i check his entire range is betting here i think, once he bets i migh butchered this overrepping my hand, maybe c/shove was better or just c/c and check river hoping he shoves (or donking small on river maybe?)
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1236847Looks fine. I think flop and turn decisions are pretty close, river I think is a good play, it only has to work 1/3 of the time and enough of his range will fold.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1239511Why do you think calling is a mistake readless? Against A3 we have 27% equity, and while we're only getting 2-1, we make up the rest in implied odds. I think calling would be my standard here.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1239526I think your evaluation of the situation is right on the money. KJ/KQ are definitely calls given description, K9 is a fold, KT is just about borderline.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1239537I think your flop bet is too small, you can accomplish the same thing with t175 I think. I would definitely bet though. It's too bad his sizing was pretty small but I think I would probably just check/jam the turn, there's only t670 behind and there's a real danger of him checking behind on the river. Calling and jamming river hoping his floats picked up a pair is also an option, but there's a chance river will be a king or something and he'll get away from 6x.
ty mers :) but im still debating myself with this hand: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1239511 im surprised your default is to call here, we have T high and his line really doesnt make sense at all, we have lots of fold equity + outs on the turn against a weird play, not saying i dont respect your opinion but calling here is just asking for a guessing game on the river when we miss and he psb again or shove or bets small or even when he checks and we just only have T high.
I think jamming is a reasonable play, I was just trying to point out that calling was very much an option. I'm not sure what you mean about a guessing game - fit or fold on the river still makes a turn call +EV.
I have some new hands! :)hand 1: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242631 we have exchanged some blinds, this is his first donk and i decide to put a small raise here bc this board is so dry and even if he has some piece we can make it fold it by double/triple barreling, if he flats we still might have T and 7 as outs, we bink turn and i think his bet is too small so i think we can call here, obv we run like baby jesus on a motorcyle to hit runner runner two pair ( -hax ) when he checksriver i think his range after donking turn his some pair that isnt going to fold, possibly weak Kx or weird 5x, thoughts?hand 2: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242674 right after hand 1 do you think its fine/optimal the small 3bet call a shove line and shoving every flop or is better to just jam pre?hand 3: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242688 against a good thinking player whats best on river check/jam or bet?
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242631Looks good, definitely have to call the turn, no question there. I'd make it a little bigger on the river but other than that, nh. People do love to donkbet this flop fairly weak in general.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242674KQ is a great hand for the go-and-go, so I like it better than jamming pre. On the flop with less than a potsized bet remaining a jam is fine.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1242688Against a good player, I think check/jamming is best here. What does he raise with on the flop? Qx very likely thinks it's safe to bet once you check twice (you can very easily have Jx), but leading out probably does better against Qx because he's not calling a check/jam very often and by leading we get to pick the size of the bet he'll likely call (his betsizing will probably be closer to half pot). He doesn't raise Jx very often on the flop, I wouldn't think. So other than that, it's a lot of missed draws/air which we want to give a chance to bluff (we'll look pretty weak at this point), and it also does a lot better against his 7x to check/jam (he could have raised flop as a bluff, checked turn when picked up showdown value, rivered trips).
the last hand wasnt mine, i took it from a hucash video of INTERNET POKERS (dogsishead) and made a fake hh bc i thought it was an interesting spot, to see your thoughts on that and if principles we applicable at shallower stacks and whatnot, maybe u had different thoughts than him or smth (u both agreed by the way)i have some more hands if you dont mind :)hand 1: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1244571 maybe pf is a bit loose.im interested in river spot, i think there is merit in a vbet there but my only concern is my kicker, i couldnt decide wheter it was better to c/c, c/f depending on sizing/timing tells or b/f for value here so i go with betting bc i could pick the size of the pot, thoughts?hand 2: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1244644 this is the final of a 4man on stars* i thought we could call his 2x 3bet this wide (maybe QTo was the cutoff and Q9s obv would be better but i think its borderline, thoughts), was his first 2x 3bet, maybe jamming was an option but i didnt like it that much atm compared to calling and seeing a flop in position with a hand that flops semi-well. on the flop when he checks i think he has lots of Ax unpaired hands, maybe 88 kind of hands, here i take a non std maybe "maybe" fishy line and overbet shove flop with oesd + bdfd + over thinking he would fold almost all his range, is this acceptable, maybe good or bad?* im playing some on stars i gotta give you my sn there in private :)
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1244571I think pre is totally fine, again though I'll hammer it in, you gave no indication of opening frequency (and 3x opening frequency) which is massively important (since it's a turbo, perhaps this is early on). I don't expect him to bluff super often on this runout, as it's hard for him to have complete junk with no high card value. I think if you lead, small is good, and I like your size here. If you check it should be to check/fold to reasonably sized bets. I think check/folding and leading this size are going to be pretty similar in expectation.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1244644Definitely fine to call the 3bet, I'd hate hate hate a jam or a fold here. On the flop, I'd probably just bet big-ish and get it in that way, I don't really think we're folding out more hands with the overbet shove, but I also don't think it's going to make a huge difference. I definitely prefer betting and getting it in to checking, though.
Im devoting myself lately to mixing some ST sessions to get the hang out of them, starting at the $5 level, yesterday i played like 110 st and dinde feel any burning or boredom. i have 2 general questions, 1) what kind of thing you do to be able to separate st mentallity from turbo mentallity? i mean do you play different sessions? any tip would be great. and 2) what hands do you prefer just to openjam over mr (AT+ 22+?) trying to get called from worse Ax enough of the time? what about first hands u get dealt 22-44 do u ever just openjam there?and a few hands if you dont mind:hand 1: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1253404 id 3bet to 100 instead of 120 bc of stacksizes, obv calling a shove BUT this was the first time he did this small 4bet and his timing really really looked like a monster like QQ+ not even AK(i think AK is jamming there 90% or smth) so i wanted to fold but couldnt pull it and decided to stick with the call a shove plan. can we find a fold in spots like this or just math dictates a call?hand 2: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1253407 is this standard against a frequent mr/cb (minraiser/cbetter) ?hand 3: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1253408 he limped some especially shallow but never seen him limp pp or Ax, is this ok or spew? on turn i think we can get the leverage to our side bc he isnt really repping anything and could be a cheap bluff by him, but once we min3bet i think we can rep a made hand better than himi got 2 more hands but would post later :) ty mers
With regard to ST vs turbo mentality: My best results in terms of ROI have definitely come while playing either one or the other and not mixing, but during the day time, I'll take whatever action I can get. At lower stakes I would recommend not mixing. I would jam something like A8o+ A5s+ 22+ over a minraise first hand. It's debateable whether openjamming 22-44 has better expectation than minraising, kind of a hard one to measure but I suspect they are close (and that it's probably best to minraise 44).
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1253404I think a 3-bet to 120 is actually better here without any sort of dynamic, you'll find people call with about the same range and it makes it very easy on most flops with just about a potsized bet remaining.I puke at the smallish 4bet and actually think we can fold against it given your sizing. We need 37.5% equity and a bit part of 3bet/calling is that we expect him to be getting it in with all his small pairs and some weaker Ax, which really really does not look like it with this sizing. Even if we give him as wide of a range as 66+,A5s+,KJs+,QJs,A8o+,KJo+, it's still correct to fold.
You have to be a little careful making hero laydowns like that especially at the $5s, but I think that one would be correct.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1253407Totally standard, this is a board I expect people to be c-betting a lot on, we have tons of equity (flipping vs A6) and a ton of fold equity as well.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1253408I don't know about this one, very reads dependent, I would say this is spew readless. One problem with your reasoning "i think we can rep a made hand better than him" - I really don't think so, all your Ax should be jamming pre, it's another question whether he'd ever rebluff here but I think he basically never folds 9x and calls Kx a lot.
i disagree that he calls Kx a lot bc he isnt raising with Kx in this spot most of the time. you are right about approaching the hand not in the way of repping a hand imo. my line of thinking is that he is gonna raise this turn "some %" of the time as a bluff and "some %" for value right? but he isnt always raising Ax or 9x here, he calls the "other % that he isnt raising" with Ax and 9x (obv he is never folding) and the times he has Kx or even Qx he is more likely to call with those hands than to bluff-raising, so all in all i think min3betting his raise (that imo is a higher % of bluffs than value hands) get us folds enough % of the time (when he is bluffing) to make it profitable and when we do get called we just give up bc he is almost never calling that 3bet with smthing we beatsome more hands if you dont mind :)hand 1: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1258336 first hand of a superturbo, do you bet turn? i think we dont have a good enought kicker and all his broadway gutshots (KJ/KQ maybe not 3betting pre, QJ) now have us beat otoh all his lower straightdraws missed 89, 86, 96, J9, J8. if we dont bet turn like i didnt (in retrospective i think betting is best) can we bet this river to fold out a higher kicker Tx, maybe get herocalled by 7x (and higher Tx some % when we lose)? (this could be a good spot to merge by range?)hand 2: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1258347 here i turn my pair into a bluff and decide to overbet the pot on the river, on the flop i think calling is better than raising and probably better than folding with our bdsd and our bottom pair, on turn when he checks i could bet turn and bet river if checked to to make him lay 8x 5x or spades that call turn to c/f river but i decided to check (maybe in retrospective this is bad, i think atm i didnt want to be c/r on the turn with draws that picked up spades) when he checks again in this particular river i think his drawing hands paired enough of the time and are checking to try and get to showdown (dont think he checks 2p+ here) but i realize my pair is gonna win showdown like never, so i decided to overbet and make him really difficult to call with any hand that he is checking riverhand 3: http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1258352 basically how can we extract the most value when we flop fucking lucy in the sky with diamonds and alternate lines to take pls. also howdo you think this hand is played in general?
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1258336I think turn check is good. I'm honestly a little torn on this river and think betting or checking is going to be very close in expectation.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1258347I think your reasoning is fine here, nh.
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1258352I think it's very important to raise flop here to get more value from dominated diamond draws and other hands. When you check/call flop and he checks turn with Q6dd that's just a disasterous result given how much value you could have gotten from check/raising and making a half pot bet on the turn. Given that we're shorter, any pair is probably not folding to a check/raise, and the only reason to check/call is that he might barrel off with his air.
with this reads:seems tigh pre - rarely 3x, limps a lotdonkd once 679sscbet Q5 on K73r gives up J turn 6 riverdonk/folds with 11bb left J26ssmr lead on 8J2 limpd pot with 85min3bet 2x folds around 27bb with ATo 18bb we are in the BB and he openshoves for the first timeis this a call o a fold?i would like input frm any of u guys, ty
hmm i would fold, thats probs down to me watching cig diss vids lately and he's a nitt :Pi think your looking at low PP's alott like <77, i honestly dnt know what Ax are in his range and other than that i don't think anything else is in his range enough to be factored in.what's your image been like? have you been a station much?
Definitely calling. Need a lot more reads at that stack depth to think about folding. A8 starts to get close.