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Simargl's picture
Small raise on river - is villain ever bluffing here?

Villain is winning reg SBVPIP 86% C-bet 85%, , we have aggressive dynamic. Check raise for value as he is always c-betting this low board.I check the turn expecting him to float flop and barrel most turnsWhen he check back i expect middle or bottom pair or AxOn river i bet for value from 4x, 5x maybe 86 or weakish 6x, deciding not to get it in on the flop, Ax.He 2x my raise i'm getting excellent prize but is he ever bluffing here?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNOhGrandNagus1880  SBHero2120  Effective Stacks: 31bb Blinds 30/60 Pre-Flop (90, 2 players) Hero is SB OhGrandNagus raises to 90, Hero calls 60   Flop (240, 2 players) Hero checks, OhGrandNagus bets 120, Hero raises to 300, OhGrandNagus calls 180   Turn (840, 2 players) Hero checks, OhGrandNagus checks   River (840, 2 players) Hero bets 360, OhGrandNagus raises to 720, Hero ?   

nekrogovner's picture
And you dont expect stuff

And you dont expect stuff like A3s, K3s, etc? He opens 86% pre, he should have lots of 3x in his range. Even if he doesn't, I'm not sure he thinks you have lots of 3x in your range, so he miiiight do it with some 77+, weird Tx (AT?), twopairs, sets. But whatever it is I hardly think minraised river is ever a bluff.

Simargl's picture
Sure i expect both A3 and K3,

Sure i expect both A3 and K3, i described what would i get value from when namimg possible combos. Actually only 3 would make sense to raise here.77 would get it in on flop, Tx he never checks back.   

happyham's picture
I actually like the way you

I actually like the way you played the flop and turn.  Standard auto mode, I would lead the turn, but against a thinking player you are right.. If he flats, and then you check turn, you look very weak and so he can bluff a lot of turns... I assume you planned to check raise again on the turn?  Obviously when he doesnt fire the turn it sucks..  I'm not sure about leading the river.. I think even though your line looks a little bluffy so you can get called light here, it also might encourage him to make a move on the river.   By the river, what does your percieved range look like?  6X, 6x combo draw, 7x missed draw, air, I guess sets (although you prolly wudda barreled the turn to protect)..   Theres not a lot of 3x you can flat pre (well at least I don't), so like Nekro said, its hard for you to represent 3X.  With all of this said it makes it easy for him to make a move as you are gonna fold everything but 3X.  I do think there is a lot of 3x in his range though, and you are almost always beat.  Like you said he's giving you too good of a price to be bluffing enough here.  I think its pretty close between check calling the river, or leading river for value.  Haven't made up my mind yet on what I think is best.

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Melcoool's picture
i think i would barrel the

i think i would barrel the turn to get extravalue from draws   and maybe fold to a shove on the river i think he never bluffs with that sizingi think a cec call on the river  is better from my position because i think is inducing the missed 7x 8x to bluff or any overcards and you make a little of pot control