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Over in one hand

Is this good solid aggression that didn't work out this time, or did I simply make bad decisions?Thanks,Animal(ps - I can't get the HTML version to post right, even though I am following the instructions carefully and have tried a number of time.  Any tricks I should know?) No Limit Holdem Tournament2 Players
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$22 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go
BB Hero 1500
SB corradino79 1500

Effective Stacks: 50bb

Blinds 15/30

Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)
Hero is BB with cK dJ

corradino79 raises to 90, Hero calls 60

Flop (180, 2 players)
dA c6 cA

Hero checks, corradino79 bets 60, Hero raises to 210, corradino79 calls 150

Turn (600, 2 players)
c2

Hero bets 300, corradino79 calls 300

River (1200, 2 players)
cQ

Hero goes all-in 900, corradino79 goes all-in 900

Final Pot: 3000

Hero shows
cK dJ

corradino79 shows
s2 sA

corradino79 wins 3000 ( won +1500 )

Hero lost -1500

mersenneary's picture
Cool. A great hand to start

Cool. A great hand to start out with :)Let's start with the check/raise on the flop. The very basics of poker, of course, are betting to get value from worse hands or to fold out better hands. Sometimes we set up multi-street plays and stuff like that, and there are other reasons we do things like wanting to fold out his worse hands with decent equity, but in general, if we're doing something in poker, it should be from this "value/bluff" foundation.So we raise from 60 to 210 with KJ on a AA6 flop. A couple things to talk about here.First of all, the basics: What are we getting value from, or what are we folding out? 22-55 and KQ will occasionally fold, and we like that, but that's a very narrow range. 6x is basically never folding to a check/raise, although it may fold on future streets (which is what you were hoping for :) ). While his junky hands folding is a fine result for us, remember that we're ahead of those, and calling is a super reasonable option.If we do raise, though, what are we doing making it so big? What does a raise to 210 accomplish that a raise to 150-160 doesn't also accomplish? We still fold out his air which is a decent result even though we're ahead of it so flat calling is good too, and we lose a lot less versus his made hands.We're just ahead too much and have too much equity when we call for check/raising and barreling off to be good here.Additionally, a couple things to say about "first hand". People do tend to 3x their Ax marginally more often, so that's something to think about. Secondly, people hate folding first hand. Big bluffs first hand are going to be pretty rarely correct readless.

animal's picture
I see your point about the

I see your point about the size of the checkraise on the flop.  How about the all-in on the river? I made the nut flush, which unfortunately was beaten by a full house. I think shoving the river was correct, two pair or a lower flush could have called. Do you think the turn and river bets were reasonable? 

mersenneary's picture
The problem with the turn bet

The problem with the turn bet is that I just don't see him folding anything that called flop. I'm not sure how much fold equity you actually have, and again, what range are you trying to fold out? It's pretty narrow, isn't it? On the river it's an easy shove, just unlucky you ran into a full house instead of an ace with a different kicker or like KK or something.

animal's picture
I was trying to represent the

I was trying to represent the flush when I made the turn bet, in the hopes of folding out two-pair type hands or seeting up a river shove. I'm not saying that was the right play, but that is what I was thinking.

mersenneary's picture
I think betting to barrel the

I think betting to barrel the river is a more coherant plan, for sure. I still don't think 6x/77-KK folds all that often on that card and people are just so loose first hand that I'm not sure how often they fold river, either. I think checking does better but I don't think barreling off is unreasonable. The biggest part of the hand to focus on is the flop: I really want you to focus on when and why you check raise flops and what size you choose and why, and try to apply that to different situations. I think that size is definitely a big error and may hint at a common sizing error on dry boards.