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My HH discussion thread

Cant get HH converters working for this forum, so for now, the raw HH's will have to do if that's ok.

 

 

1st hand no reads:

 

Full Tilt Poker Game #29024947654: $220 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go (225732477), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:05:07 ET - 2011/03/14
Seat 1: Hero (1,500)
Seat 2: mcdl56 (1,500)
mcdl56 posts the small blind of 15
Hero posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Tc Jh]
mcdl56 calls 15
Hero raises to 120
mcdl56 calls 90
*** FLOP *** [9d 2d 9h]
Hero bets 115
mcdl56 calls 115
*** TURN *** [9d 2d 9h] [5s]
Hero checks
mcdl56 bets 300
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of 300 returned to mcdl56
mcdl56 mucks
mcdl56 wins the pot (470)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 470 | Rake 0
Board: [9d 2d 9h 5s]
Seat 1: Hero (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: mcdl56 (small blind) collected (470), mucked

 

Same villain, he is a station. i seem to see these spots quite a bit. interested on thoughts on all streets:

 

Full Tilt Poker Game #29024985676: $220 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go (225732477), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:06:14 ET - 2011/03/14
Seat 1: H (1,175)
Seat 2: mcdl56 (1,825)
H posts the small blind of 15
mcdl56 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [Kd 9h]
H raises to 60
mcdl56 calls 30
*** FLOP *** [7s 8c 9c]
mcdl56 bets 30
H raises to 210
mcdl56 calls 180
*** TURN *** [7s 8c 9c] [5c]
mcdl56 bets 30
H calls 30
*** RIVER *** [7s 8c 9c 5c] [4s]
mcdl56 bets 90
H calls 90
*** SHOW DOWN ***

 

Next few hands are against a reg. He seems to play very straight up. if he checks back flops IP he's folding turn close to 100% I've 3bet him a few times (all with strong holdings so not LAGgy at all) and he's 100% called 3bet and folded to flop cbet.

 

Full Tilt Poker Game #29043356685: $300 + $15 Heads Up Sit & Go (225887592), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 09:41:52 ET - 2011/03/15
Seat 1:H(1,795)
Seat 2:V1,205)
V posts the small blind of 25
H posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H[Qs Ac]
V calls 25

H raises to 185

V calls 135

*** FLOP *** [7h Js Jh]

H bets 140
V raises to 380
H raises to 1,610, and is all in
V folds

This hand is final hand of same game. Not sure if this is spew?

 

Seat 1: H (1,205)
Seat 2: V (1,795)
V posts the small blind of 25
H posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [7c As]
V raises to 100
H calls 50
*** FLOP *** [7h 8c 5s]
H checks
V bets 150
H calls 150
*** TURN *** [7h 8c 5s] [4d]
H checks
V checks
*** RIVER *** [7h 8c 5s 4d] [6c]
H bets 955, and is all in

Last hand, different match, same villain. totally unknown about his flatting flop cbets in 3bet pots. 1st time he'd done it. i find myself in these spots a lot. not sure if its a leak.

 

Seat 1: V (1,155)
Seat 2: H(1,845)
V posts the small blind of 20
H posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [Td Th]
V raises to 80
H raises to 230
V calls 150
*** FLOP *** [9s 6d Ad]
H bets 190
V calls 190
*** TURN *** [9s 6d Ad] [2d]
H has 15 seconds left to act
H checks
V has 15 seconds left to act
V bets 735, and is all in
H calls 735

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wow, as soon as i hit post,

wow, as soon as i hit post, it scrambled the raw HH to this. im so lost!

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For anybody having a HH

For anybody having a HH issue, try using http://www.husng.com/converter/HUSNGcom 4:45 pm        when you post, below the text box        it gives an input option        change that to full html      mersenneary 4:45 pm        ok Additionally, it worked for me if you click the HTML button when you post and input the HTML that way mers advice^^

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thanks a lot

thanks a lot

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Hand 1: I think I would raise

Hand 1: I think I would raise a little less pre, and bet very slightly more on the flop to discourage floats, but reasonable sizings.Hand 2: Is played perfectly, good job with the bigger/exploitable raise size vs a station.Hand 3: Pretty marginal, I think once you bet that size you have to be prepared to induce a bit, and there is a fd, so I don't mind getting it in. Checking flop is an option but just very villain dependent how much they shut down with this type of line.Hand 4: You're trying to steal 250 chips of equity with a 950 bet. So he needs to very rarely have a 9 and very rarely call you otherwise. I think it's too deep for this play. I like the thought, though :)Hand 5: I'd raise a little more pre but again your sizing isn't far off/can be fine. I'd usually bet a little more on the flop (bet/calling). On the turn it's not a great card but since we only need around 31% equity, have the Td, and there are some 78/T8/Kd9x type hands in his range, so I'm fine with you calling it off.

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thank you for the comments,

thank you for the comments, mers. much appreciated

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These hands all vs a winning

These hands all vs a winning reg. 1st hand i decided to turn my hand into a bluff. Villain is aggro and rarely bet/chk/chk. I felt he would be firing with or without the A but that the A can make up an ok portion of his range. Can i rep 7x and KT well enough to force an A to fold enough here?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$220 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBV1435 BBHero1565  Effective Stacks: 36bb Blinds 20/40

  • Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB

  V raises to 100, Hero calls 60

  • Flop (200, 2 players)

Hero checks, V bets 120, Hero calls 120

  • Turn (440, 2 players)

Hero checks, V checks

  • River (440, 2 players)

Hero checks, V bets 300, Hero goes all-in 1345, V folds

  • Final Pot: 2085
  • Hero wins 2085 ( won +520 )
  • V lost -520
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Is this too thin vs an aggro

Is this too thin vs an aggro villain?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$220 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBV1305 BBHero1695  Effective Stacks: 33bb Blinds 20/40

  • Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB

V raises to 100, Hero calls 60

  • Flop (200, 2 players)

Hero checks, V bets 120, Hero calls 120

  • Turn (440, 2 players)

Hero checks, V bets 270, Hero goes all-in 1475, 

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maybe worth noting in the

maybe worth noting in the last hand posted villain had JJ vs my 89o. Is this ok to get in here?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$220 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1405 SBV1595  Effective Stacks: 35bb Blinds 20/40

  • Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB

  V raises to 100, Hero calls 60

  • Flop (200, 2 players)

Hero checks, V bets 120, Hero calls 120

  • Turn (440, 2 players)

Hero checks, V bets 280, Hero goes all-in 1185

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J9 hand: One thing to notice

J9 hand: One thing to notice is that his river size is pretty big. If he does make these kind of bets with Ax, then I like your play. If you haven't seen it before, then it might be more polarizing than that, and he might not have as much Ax bet/folding type hands in his range. His turn check basically eliminates 7x or better from his range (from most people) and the ace is a very reasonable card to decide to check/jam on with your big hands, so I like the play, as long as you think he can be betting this size with Ax (if Qx, even better) on the river.98 hand: I much, much prefer a turn call to a jam. When you jam, you'll basically get called by nothing worse and fold out nothing better, with some small exceptions. I think you're jamming out of that "f it, I think I have the best hand" instinct, but I think it's too deep for that. If you think you have the best hand that much, call and let him bluff the river, that's going to be better than jamming. The only way it's good here is if you think he's a spewtard who doesn't care about odds and might bet/call worse very often.96dd: Some reads would be nice. Call turn is standard. I'm not sure we're folding out all that much that we're behind.

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1st hand i called raise w/J9

1st hand i called raise w/J9 oop. i ch/called 9hi flop. turn brick went ch/chk. river brick i led out 2/3 pot and he called me w/A8hi.apart from that, readless. this is 4th hand of match or something. Is this a std get in on turn. or just a smooth to get in on river? or anything else?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$220 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1770  BBgajanj1230  Effective Stacks: 41bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 90, gajanj calls 60 Flop (180, 2 players) gajanj checks, Hero bets 85, gajanj calls 85 Turn (350, 2 players) gajanj checks, Hero bets 205, gajanj raises to 505, Hero goes all-in 1595

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This is a classic ugly

This is a classic ugly situation where you don't expect to get raised on this turn very often at all, and it's "wtf he reps two hands and no bluffs" when it happens. Referring to the essential reading list chapter 3, since we get raised here so little of the time, and he reps such a thin range for value or for bluff, it's not going to be that big of the deal in the long run.But that doesn't solve the question of what the answer is. In game, I almost always call turn just in case he's doing something randomly spazzy, which does happen. He reps A5/A7 well and then overplayed stuff like worse Ax that we beat, plus the slowplayed stuff on the flop. It doesn't really matter what we do versus most of his range, but vs his "wtf are you doing" hands, we want to let him continue to be ridiculous on the river. There's just too few combos of hands that we lose to for calling here and calling the river to ever be a big error.

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thank you mers. this next

thank you mers. this next hand is also early on in game. Maybe this play is too fancy but i think his range looks mostly weak here and mine mostly strong. reads are that he called my c/rai on Khi dry flop and then folded to my turn barrell, and also triple barrell donked a board where i folded riv. player is a fishIn this hand i figure the turn is a good barrell card and when he donks river it looks to me like trying to get cheap showdown or cheap bluff with lots of busted draws. what are your feelings?   No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$88 + $4 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBOsman19911690  SBHero1310  Effective Stacks: 44bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, Osman1991 calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Osman1991 checks, Hero bets 60, Osman1991 calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) Osman1991 checks, Hero bets 140, Osman1991 calls 140 River (520, 2 players) Osman1991 bets 270, Hero goes all-in 1050,

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I'm not a big fan, but not

I'm not a big fan, but not completely against it. Fish love to c/c their overs on this kind of flop, so I think he has Qx here a decent amount. I don't trust a fish to fold Qx at all to the shove. 4x will also play it this way sometimes. I also agree, though, that fish will make very transperant bluffs with missed draws like this on the river. I think it's probably a pretty close to breakeven jam. I like the thoguht process, though, rather than just "I have ten high, I fold".

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These hands are against a

These hands are against a player that sits in the $220 lobbies. he has bad stats but other regs aren't sitting him. I sat him before and he declined rematch and disappeared from lobby so i assume he thinks on at least some level and has respect for my game.He double barrells very frequently. maybe around 80+% he DB'd KJhx on 789hhx6h and checked back on 6s river. I had a strong hand and thought he may adjust his barrelling frequencies if he thinks i am trapping strong hands in my c/call range.I c/called 1 street around 3 or 4 hands later with Ahigh and folded to his turn barrell. A few hands later this next hand arises. fwiw i tanked over a river call. looking over the hand a river call is very spew. but is the whole hand spew? How can i play these most effectively against a high DB frequency?   No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$220 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1950  SBsevill1050  Effective Stacks: 26bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB sevill raises to 80, Hero calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) Hero checks, sevill bets 80, Hero calls 80 Turn (320, 2 players) Hero checks, sevill bets 160, Hero calls 160 River (640, 2 players) Hero checks, sevill bets 370, Hero folds Final Pot: 1010 sevill wins 1010 ( won +320 ) Hero lost -320

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This next hand is against the

This next hand is against the same opponent. i figure we're too deep to jam or anything and i don't want to 3bet fold and folding seems nitty so i figure this is just a flat at these stack depths. He checks back the flop which is very surprising considering his high cbet and double barrell frequencies. I lead the turn because i feel he can have something that he wants to get to showdown very cheaply and doesnt have a strong range here at all. Trying to get value from Ax 5x 4x 22,33 and hopefully not valuetown myself against a 6 or something. when he calls and the river completes the flush and puts an overcard out there i dont see any value in betting. i check, and he bets pretty small. at first i am deciding between hero calling and folding and consider how weak his range is but then i re-think the hand and figure i'd expect him to cbet flop 100% with 7x and 100% w/XXcc so i cant put him on either a flush or a straight. I also expect him to value bet somewhat thin and this betsize kind of represents that. Shortly after hitting time i jam in figuring i can rep a flush pretty well but probably not a 7.Is my line credible enough here to get a fold considering i changed my planned line and thought process mid-way through the hand? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$220 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1730  SBsevill1270  Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is BB sevill raises to 100, Hero calls 50 Flop (200, 2 players) Hero checks, sevill checks Turn (200, 2 players) Hero bets 110, sevill calls 110 River (420, 2 players) Hero checks, sevill bets 200, Hero goes all-in 1520,

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different villain in this

different villain in this hand. he is a fish. has done some weird stuff. def happy to bluff/spew but has been semi-inline this match. kind of erratic  tho . he 3bet prob around 15%ish.  few hands earlier, i had jammed a 4flush board on river after he had shown strength on flop./turn. he folded river. I was planning on calling turn shove from him and expecting one quite a lot. he checked it, and i didnt really know what to do. when i checked back he timed right down on river. I figured i'm ahead a lot but he can have a bigger Q that got spooked by scary turn/river and i can maybe barrell him off those.I felt pretty lost on turn/river. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $10 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1300  BBgameover1171700  Effective Stacks: 33bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 80, gameover117 calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) gameover117 checks, Hero bets 95, gameover117 raises to 445, Hero calls 350 Turn (1050, 2 players) gameover117 checks, Hero checks River (1050, 2 players) gameover117 checks, Hero goes all-in 775,

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With the A6: He double

With the A6: He double barrels dry boards with no additional equity, as well? It's a pretty clear calculation on the turn of just how often he's trying to push you around. If he's literally firing with air twice 80% of the time he has air, well, you do the math, of course it's a call. But when I say "you do the math", I realized one very important piece of information you left out from your post. It's almost a cliche with me that I hammer this into my students, but it's still so true. What's his opening frequency? That makes a massive difference in what percentage of his range on the flop is air and is a crucial component of this problem. Definitely work on interpreting opening frequncies and how they affect your play later on in hands.Basically, if he's double barreling a ton, you can call (and should call flop as well to induce). If he's double barreling a decent bit but not over the top crazy, you have some options. One of them is actually putting in a small check/raise on the flop if you think he'll respect those a lot from you. Check/raising with bottom pair/ace high type hands can be a really good option against people who barrel a lot (but not over the top crazy) if they'll shut down to the raise a good deal. If you think he'll be really spewy/floaty, it becomes a less attractive option.

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With the A5: Call pre is

With the A5: Call pre is definitely best. I think I prefer check/calling turn to donking: We don't really get value out of a whole lot, and his air usually would bet a decent amount if checked to, so I prefer a check/call. But leading is OK and it's always nice to have stronger hands in your range when you're playing against someone who likes to push you out of the pot, and leading puts more big hands in your range than check/calling does.On the river, your thinking is pretty good - he should have a flush basically never and doesn't often have 7x, and your turn lead represents a flush draw well. Whether to actually pull the trigger is completely dependent of how much of a moron you think he is - we all have played against people who make ridiculous calls when we do have a flush here, so it's a balance to try to figure out if you think he's that. The other thing is that I doubt he will expect you to check/jam your flushes rather than just lead out, so I don't think you really rep a flush perfectly. I think it's a great idea and a good play versus a lot of people with the general description you describe.

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Q8: I think jamming flop is

Q8: I think jamming flop is going to be best, and if not, just jam turn. There's only 775 behind for a 1050 pot, so even if he has a hand like A5o, he's actually correct to call it off (!) on the flop against your hand. You really want the fds (especially the ones with no over) to just get it in on the flop, and you prefer him getting it in with A5 or incorrectly making a huge raise/fold to just flat calling and playing out the hand like this. Jamming does worse against pure air but the fact that he's erratic means that you can't do anything like folding to a diamond turn or anything like that, so that's really the only benefit to flatting. So I'd jam flop. As it is, the turn card gave all of that A5/75/65/52s kind of stuff a pair, which may explain the check, and I think it's going to be better just to jam turn and get value from a lot of pair+draw type hands. On the river, you're trying to fold out better Qx, but that's a very very narrow portion of his range when it's played this way, and I think he has that kind of 65/52s kind of stuff as well in addition to some weirdly played better hands. I would just check behind.