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Mareen - HH discussion thread

Hi guys,my name is René. I am a 26 year old college student from Germany. In the past I played the 30 $ Level on Pacific and Cake but because of the low traffic I moved to FTP where I will start with the 10 $ Reg speeds. I am not a native speaker, so don't be too hard with my bad english :-)My first hand is against a player who C-bets the Flop a 100 % of the time.  No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$10 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1315  SBMastermixus1685  Effective Stacks: 33bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB Mastermixus raises to 80, Hero calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) Hero checks, Mastermixus bets 80, Hero raises to 220, Mastermixus calls 140 Turn (600, 2 players) Hero bets 360, Mastermixus goes all-in 1385, Hero folds Final Pot: 2345 Mastermixus wins 2345 ( won +660 ) Hero lost -660

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Your English is great :) And

Your English is great :) And welcome!Can you tell me a bit more about your opponent in this hand? Opening percentage pre? How they have reacted to check/raises in the past? Looseness postflop (what you think me might do with 5x here is a decent barometer, though naturally it's hard to know for sure)? Do you think he jams turn with 7x/5x or flats turn? Or does he just jam flop? So many reads dependent questions on whether betting the turn is best or not, and if so, what size. Those are the things to be thinking about. 

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Hi Mers, First of all thank

Hi Mers,First of all thank you for your compliment, but there's still a lot of room to improve my English.....just like my poker skills :-)Thank you for your thougts about that hand. Thats definitly something to think about.Here are some Stats about villain:VPiP: 52 %     Cbet: 100% 3betPRE: 18%PFR: 42 % Fold2Cbet: 50 %I did a session review of that match and tried to answer some questions you mentioned.Reaction to check/raises: 80% of the match was a Preflop battle.He 3xed when he raises and folds to nearly 90% of my 3bets. Looseness POST: In limped pots, he folds to most of my flop stabs.Jaming Turn with 7x/5x: He had never jamed Turn with bottom/mid pair. Just called my barrels.Jaming Flop:  Again, he never did that. We had not much Postflop action. When he raised PRE and I called with a "good" hand, he c-bets, I missed and had to give up when i missed Flop. In game I thought about 3betting his cbets, but the rare flops we see, were mostly very wet.Hope that description of the match is ok. In the next hours I will play again and think about your thougts. 

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Fold ok or too nitty on low stakes?

Hey, this was the 4th hand of the match and villain has 3x'd every button so far. I've put him on Ax because of his min 3bet. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players • FullTiltPoker$10 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1570  BBthomasis10-4off1430  Effective Stacks: 72bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 50, thomasis10-4off raises to 100, Hero calls 50 Flop (200, 2 players) thomasis10-4off checks, Hero checks Turn (200, 2 players) thomasis10-4off checks, Hero bets 100, thomasis10-4off calls 100 River (400, 2 players) thomasis10-4off goes all-in 1230, Hero folds Final Pot: 1630 thomasis10-4off wins 1630 ( won +200 ) Hero lost -200 After reviewin that Hand, I think C-bet Flop 0,5 Potsize and Bet Turn again would be better, right?In game, I didn't want to put him away from that hand, so I checked the Flop behind.  

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I think the 64 hand is ok

I think the 64 hand is ok given those reads, annoying that he jammed turn :(I agree I think you should bet flop and not try to make him pick up a hand. It's an odd board for him not to c-bet with no showdown value, and I think you want to start getting value from Ax/broadway draws/pocket pairs right away rather than assume he'll bet them on the turn so you can raise. Half pot on flop and bet turn looks better to me too.

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This is an 10 $ Reg Speed HU

An 10 $ Reg Speed HU vs an Unknown This is Hand Nr. 5 and nothing special has hapened so far.He minraised every Hand and called every 2,5x from me. He foldet to my C-bet and I missed and foldet to his C-betNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBPlayer11480  BTNHero1520  Effective Stacks: 74bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 50, Player1 calls 30 Flop (100, 2 players) Player1 checks, Hero bets 60, Player1 calls 60 Turn (220, 2 players) Player1 bets 120, Hero folds Final Pot: 340 Player1 wins 340 ( won +110 ) Hero lost -110 I folded, because it is so early in game and I had no reads to him.Every Spade on the River will have me beat and my K isn't that good.Could imagine he has some Jx, but then a lot of Rivers will make my life hard.  What do you think?  

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I would definitely recommend

I would definitely recommend continuing against this turn bet. If he has Jx, rivers won't make your life hard, because he'll check most of the time :) You're ahead of most hands with one spade now, so you have to continue. It's OK that you have no reads on him, you can default to the general population's tendencies here, and generally, this isn't such a strong range that you should be folding. I would call and fold to a big river bet, call a smaller one.

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Does the fact that you're

Does the fact that you're chopping with a lot of Kx change your river plan?  (i.e. you would call more often)

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Definitely. 

Definitely. 

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Villain Stats: PFR: 78 %

Villain Stats: PFR: 78 % C-bet: 90% Fold_C-bet2raise: 75% I grinded him slowly down, then lost w AK vs QQ PRE and we're even again.He was straight forward the last 35 Hands. When he raised, it was a 2x rais. His Cbets where always 3/4 Potsize.Doesn't attacked my limps and folds to about 90% of my Flop stabs, so I limped and stabbed with a lot of trash what worked very good.At the beginning of the match he shows me, that he's capable of double barreling with AIR, what was important in my opinion for this hand. Because of his high PFR I assumed him to have a pretty wide range. His C-bets was mandatory for him.So decided to flat w mid pair. After the Turn bet I put him on a weaker 9, Tx or Qx or some Flushdraws. The draws have missed and a weaker 9 will be chrushed by mine.To get more value from those hands I decidet to 3bet/call his Turn Bet. What do you think about that line of thought?  h1>No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$10 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & GoHand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1570  SBFriendOfForest1430  Effective Stacks: 48bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB FriendOfForest raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, FriendOfForest bets 80, Hero calls 80 Turn (280, 2 players) Hero checks, FriendOfForest bets 200, Hero raises to 555, FriendOfForest goes all-in 1290, Hero calls 735 River (2860, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 2860 Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Nines FriendOfForest shows a straight, Queen high FriendOfForest wins 2860 ( won +1430 ) Hero lost -1430

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I strongly prefer calling the

I strongly prefer calling the turn bet. Yes, it's nice to get value from draws/worse 9x, but we have 0% equity against Jx and basically 0% against straights. I don't think the value from raising makes up for that, especially considering that if we flat, we can induce a lot of river bluffs from missed draws and air. We don't want to fold out his air, we want to give it a chance to bluff again. I would like this play a lot better if there were only 700 behind after his turn bet rather than 1100. It makes a big difference because of how painful it is when we run into stuff that has us crushed and how committed he is with his draws.

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Again, thanks for your quick

Again, thanks for your quick and detailed answer. So referred to the assumption he has some flush or straight draws, the River cards is a Blank, right?That means, I would call his expected River jam.Ugly spot, but looks like I am dedicated to plunge into ruin on this river :-) 

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The next hand is vs. a

The next hand is vs. a aggressive Player who 3bet a very high %. With this player type I definitly have the most problems. He raised the Button about 80% and always 3x. His 3bet % is about 38% after 100 Hands. He Cbets about 70%.I have 3betted this type of aggressive Player every 9-10 Hands (like a workmate from you told me) what worked out well.After getting a lot of trash the last hands, it was time to attacks his constand 3x raises again. After seeing the flop i was in good spirits that he will pay for his aggression. Turn was the only card i didn't want to see. Can I ever fold this hand vs. such an aggro Player?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$10 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SB1111heroin1320  BBHero1680  Effective Stacks: 66bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB 1111heroin raises to 60, Hero raises to 180, 1111heroin calls 120 Flop (360, 2 players) Hero bets 180, 1111heroin calls 180 Turn (720, 2 players) Hero checks, 1111heroin bets 338, Hero goes all-in 1320, 1111heroin goes all-in 622 River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 3000 1111heroin shows a full house, Kings full of Eights Hero shows two pair, Kings and Queens 1111heroin wins 2640 ( won +1320 ) Hero lost -1320

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Definitely not a fun turn

Definitely not a fun turn card. I think I would probably just call the turn bet if you decide to continue - you're not getting value out of very much by raising, and there's just enough in the pot that it's not worth it to make him commit with his draws. It's pretty close, though.  Whether to fold this is completely reads dependent in terms of his bluffing aggression postflop - there are opponents I would snap fold against, and there are opponents where I'd be happy to induce and get it in. I think against most, the flop flat and the card removal effect takes out enough Kx that we should continue against a bet with all the missed draws.Not a fun spot, though.

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Villain was very aggro in

Villain was very aggro in late game (25% 3bet overall + 66% PFR). Early in Game I saw him barreling 2 Streets w Air.  In game I put him on Jx. Wanted to keep him in game so I bet Turn 1/2 pot. River decidion was tough.Couldn't see him ahead, because of his aggression early on. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$11 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1580  SBK3Huge1420  Effective Stacks: 18bb Blinds 40/80 Pre-Flop (120, 2 players) Hero is BB K3Huge calls 40, Hero checks Flop (160, 2 players) Hero bets 80, K3Huge calls 80 Turn (320, 2 players) Hero bets 160, K3Huge calls 160 River (640, 2 players) Hero checks, K3Huge goes all-in 1100, Hero calls 1100 Final Pot: 2840 Hero shows K3Huge shows a straight, Queen high K3Huge wins 2840 ( won +1420 ) Hero lost -1420

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Very important to bet/fold

Very important to bet/fold the river here instead of what you did. Even if he's loose, he just doesn't have very much air in his range on the river - it's mostly pairs or better, especially on that river card.Against an opponent who is willing to bluff with air, your check/call vs bet/fold decision on the river is going to be primarily dependent on what kind of worse hands are in your opponent's range. If the hands that are worse than yours are mostly pairs or better, you should bet. If it's mostly air, you should check/call. Here, do an assessment of what hands in his range are air hands, and what hands are pair hands. The vast majority are pair hands, so bet/fold is going to do much better.We can bet/call with some kind of reads that he'll overplay hands for value or turn made hands into bluffs, I think 340/fold is going to be best against most.

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Aaaarrghhh, it's so

Aaaarrghhh, it's so annoying.Couldn't play that much in the end of March because of a house moving to another city where I startet a traineeship for my studies which is very time-consuming too.After that, my internet connection decidet to get damaged a few days.Haven't postet that much in the last weeks for the reasen, that there weren't so much difficult situations. It was only the same way: Playing focused 1-Tabling, grinded villain down to 2:1 chip lead and then loosing nearly every important Flip! I am more than 50 BI's under ev on FTP this year! I know that the only thing i can do is, to grind it out, but with the time i am feeling punked by FTP. Whatever, I have read a lot of threads in the Fast Track Programm and learned again some good things for my game. The only good thing about my failure in poker succsess the last weeks, is that I don't need to pay you any money ;-)Thank you again, for your quick and detailed answers in this time. Regards Mareen 

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I hope I helped and you feel

I hope I helped and you feel like you got a lot out of the experience, regardless. All the best going forward!!!