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Full Tilt Poker Game #26364540469: $100 + $2 Sit & Go (Super Turbo) (204588738), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:45:49 ET - 2010/12/13seat 1: var1ance (550)seat 2: Hero (450)var1ance posts the small blind of 20Hero posts the big blind of 40The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jhub30 [2s8c]var1ance calls 20Hero checks*** FLOP *** [4d Kd 7s]Hero bets 42var1ance calls 42*** TURN *** [4d Kd 7s] [8d]Hero checksvar1ance bets 68Hero calls 68*** RIVER *** [4d Kd 7s 8d] [2d]Hero checksvar1ance bets 299Hero callsI couldn't get the converter to work.  Does it have to show the showdown results to work?Villain is HU reg that I don't have much recent history with.  He likes to sit me because he knows me as a 6 man player & I don't have 20K HU SNGs under my belt.  I told him how I think it's funny that he sits me instead of sitting 1st & waiting for randoms, so he probably thinks I'm scared to play him.  In reality, I think I have an edge on him in STs but feel my time is much better spent playing randoms.I'll post results later as I don't want them to effect people's responses.Flop: I have no showdown value so decide to stabTurn: I think he would usually raise Kx preflop & raise top pair on that flop.  I also think he'd likely raise a diamond draw on the flop.  65 got there but that's a small part of his possible range & I feel like I'm ahead in the hand.  However, I think it's going to be hard to get value from worse hands so I decide to check/call.River: I river 2 pair but am obviously not overly thrilled with the 4th diamond.  I decide to check & re-evaluate.  He makes a really big bet & I snap call.  The only value hands I see making this bet are Ad, Qd, & Jd.  Ax raises preflop.  A lot of Qx & Jx raise preflop.  He probably raises flush draws often preflop so you can maybe remove some xdxd combos from his range, not to mention the card removal effects of the 4 diamonds on the board.  Beyond all that, would he really bet this big w/a big diamond given my perceived hand range?  I check/called the turn & then checked the river again.  It really looks like I have no diamond or a weakish diamond at best.  I have to think he would bet smaller to try get more value out of my weakish range.Thoughts?

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10/20var1ance (418)Hero

10/20var1ance (418)Hero (582)Hero is dealt 9s8dvar1ance raises to 40Hero callsFlop: ($80) As8s7hHero checks, var1ance bets $68, Hero callsTurn: ($216) 2hHero checks, var1ance bets $310 (all in)It's the same villain as hand 1.  He saw me call the river shove light in that hand but since he's a reg he might expect me to expect him to bluff less.  I don't know.  You could level yourself plenty there.Given that I flatted pre I would expect an aggro reg to barreling draws the vast majority of the time.  With Ax they may bet smaller or just push as he did in this hand.  What's your calling range here? This is a more general question & can obv depend on other factors but on avg. what are your weakest flatting hands of a 2x 20-25bb deep against a villain raising:80%?60%50%40% Thanks,Hub

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I'm cool with the flop stab,

I'm cool with the flop stab, pretty decent board to do it on and ok hand as well with no showdown value but an overcard to middle pair. I think I would probably lead the turn if the stack sizes were any different: You want to get value out of 4x/7x and those hands are going to check back a lot, additionally, there aren't very many draws in his range for him to bluff. I think bet/fold about half pot would be a good option. You say you feel like you're ahead of the hand, but the vast majority of stuff you're behind against will check behind. The problem is that stack sizes are really awkward to do this with when he jams, you're not comfortable with calling or foldign really and for that reason I'm ok with c/c.As played, on the river, I'm still folding. I'm OK with your reasoning about how he doesn't have many value hands in his range, but he also has rather few bluff hands, mostly just T9o type floats on the flop with a small turn bet semi-bluff hoping to fold stuff on out the river. Because it's so short, he can be limping to trap as well, which puts more of those high diamonds in his range. As for the converter, try converting the whole hand then deleting the results after you do that.

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I wouldn't get too leveled

I wouldn't get too leveled about it: if you call light, with the 82, I would expect him to bluff less often pretty much for sure in later hands.I would fold the turn. People like to do this a lot with ace-rag on drawy boards (you can even make a case for folding flop assuming this is a rare c-bet size!), and in my experience tilt-calling this versus regs like var1ance it doesn't usually work out very well.

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In terms of your "weakest

In terms of your "weakest hands to flat" question, it depends a TON on postflop tendencies, but in general, some King-rag type stuff is an instant muck vs a 40% raiser and a call vs an 80% raiser. Some of the more lower/middling stuff (like 47s) actually plays pretty close to as well vs a 40% than an 80% raiser, so it really doesn't make a big difference. 96o is another hand that's a bit more middling that you can play vs an 80% raiser and fold easily vs a 40%er.

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Thanks. Hand 1 he had J4 w/

Thanks.Hand 1 he had J4 w/ no diamond & hand 2 he had JJ.  I just usually don't like posting results beforehand so people aren't results oriented.

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Definitely, keep not posting

Definitely, keep not posting results.

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What would be your flatting &

What would be your flatting & 4bet ranges to a 2.5-3x 3bt 20-25 deepvs an unknown?vs a frequent 3bettor? Thanks

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pick an even more specific

pick an even more specific stack depth, but flat strong kings/queens/jacks/strong enough suited connectors and jam something like A8+ and any pair, against a frequent 3bettor it depends on how frequent but any ace can be good to jam.

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http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1247185 It's the hand of a $100 HU ST.  I have never played villain before (you'll hear that a lot as I'm a HU n00b).  His flat should take a lot of Ax out of his range, but his c/r size should take a lot of bluffs out of his range.  What's the weakest hand you jam here?  How does this change if he makes it 120 instead? (now talking about weakest flatting & jamming hands)? Thanks

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http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1247191Again, it's the 1st hand of a ST w/ no info on villain.  What's your weakest jamming hand on flop & calling hand on turn?  How does this change if you're against an aggressive player?I would expect his hand range to be something like A7,K8sQ9+,some suited Qx,J8+,T8+,98,XcXc & maybe some other hands, but I'm unsure of the likelihood of each hand.

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http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1247185Your reasoning on the c/r size is good here, I think I would also fold, but probably get KT in (there obviously aren't a huge difference between those hands, so I do think it's fairly close). Against a c/r to 120 I'm continuing with basically any pair (not low pocket pairs which only have 2 outs to improve if he does have Ax, not 5) readless, usually flatting. I think people give up with their bluffs a decent amount but there's obviously merit to just going ahead and jamming.

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http://www.handconverter.com/

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1247191I would definitely call off the turn jam here and would be doing so with most of my flop continuing range, although it would also include some weaker straight draws (like 56) that have to fold. I still prefer call/call to 3betjamming the flop because it allows him to continue to spew with his air and there are turn cards we can fold on (Jc would be an awful card).

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good deal...I called & he had

good deal...I called & he had 65 but I wanted to make sure I wasn't results oriented.  I actually forgot to put 65 in his likely hand range when I posted the hand.  :)

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I really loved the ROFL

I really loved the ROFL video.  Would you be able to post some rough example ranges of hands you might raise/call & raise/fold at 10bbs & 8bbs? 

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In STs I think people 3bet

In STs I think people 3bet shove a lot more than 2.5-3x 3bt at 20-25bb.  What would be your raise/calling range 25bb deep vs a reshove readless?  What about a player w/ a 3bet % of 25-30%? Same questions but 20bb deep.

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10bb and 8bb becomes really

10bb and 8bb becomes really villain dependent, but in general hands that are good for raise/calling 12bb deep are still good for raise/calling 8-10bb deep, and then you just throw in however much kind of decent junk you feel you can get away with (unless limping is a better option).First hand I probably raise/call somehing like 33+, A8o+, A7s+, KQ. If I know the player 3bet jams wide, I'm calling something like 22+, A6o+, A2s+, KJ+.20bb deep, a standard range might look something like 22+, A7o+, A5s+, KJ, where vs a fairly wide jammer it migt be more like 22+, A5o+, A2s+, K9o+, QJs. 

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How wide do you call somebody

How wide do you call somebody when they open push 14bb & it's their 1st push?Let's say their btn raising % is:80%?60%?40%?Also, how does this change if they're a winning reg as opposed to some random?

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"How wide do you call

"How wide do you call somebody when they open push 14bb & it's their 1st push?Let's say their btn raising % is: 80%? 60%? 40%? Also, how does this change if they're a winning reg as opposed to some random?"Something like 22+ A5o+ A2s+ KJo+ K9s, the BTN raising % is a little odd because it implies some reads in which case it makes the situation different based on what other reads we have with it (if we know someone has been raising 60%, we know other things too). The ranges aren't going to change that dramatically based on opening frequency, I would probably fold up until A6s+ A8o+ 33+ KJs+ KQo against someone I thought was really far too tight.

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Ok I think I've already asked

Ok I think I've already asked some flatting questions & you probably don't want to just type out entire ranges so I'm gonna list some ranges & you can tell me if I'm about right.  Coming from 6 man SNGs where it's not usually correct to flat because of icm (obv not speaking HU in a 6 man, just in general) I just want to make sure I've got things right.I also realize it can depend on other factors like how well they play post-flop, how often they fold to a 3bet, etc... but I just want a general idea20-25bbs deep:vs an 80% raiser: flat K5+,K2s+,Q8+,Q4s+,J8+,J7s+,T8+,T6s+,98,96s+,87,85s+,74s+,64s+,54s (FWIW I think it's a very thin line between flatting, shoving, & 3betting to 100 w/ a lot of these hands, depending on the opponent), & especially closer to 20bb3bet push: 22-99,A2+ (some bluff hands, especially closer to 20bb)3bet to 100: TT+, random junkish hands like 95s, 84s, J5s, etc.. (If they 4bet wide I might reshove w/ more bluff hands & maybe increase my 2.5-3x value range)3bet to 120: KJ+,KTs,QTs+ (maybe K9s & QJo) vs a 60% raiser: flat A2-A4,K7+,K4s+,Q9+,Q5s+,J9+,J7s+,T9,T6s+,98,96s+,86s+,75s+,65s,54s3bet push:22-99,A5+,A2s+ (I might start pushing some of the more suited connected stuff at around 20bb vs some players)3bet to 100: same as vs 80% but w/ less bluffs3bet to 120: KQ,KJsvs a 40% raiser: flat: A2+,K9+,K6s+,Q9+,Q8s+,J9+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,87s,76s3bet to 100: TT+ (mix in some bluffs if you play them a lot & they actually catch on)3bet to 120: KQ,KJs+ Personally, I think 3bet reshoving at around 20-23bb or so is very underrated in HU STs.  I see people correctly adjust their flatting & 4bet ranges to a 100 re-raise but I never really see people correctly adjust their calling range to a wide 3bet reshoving range at 20-25bb.  You make the Phil Ivey references all the time in your videos (which I love), but I think that mindset is why people underrate 3bet reshoving.  It doesn't seem like you're playing some unexploitable super deep thinking strategy when you reship in 20bb w/ J3s vs an 80% opener, but I think it can very often be the best play. Hopefully you don't have to make too many corrections.   

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"vs an 80% raiser: flat

"vs an 80% raiser: flat K5+,K2s+,Q8+,Q4s+,J8+,J7s+,T8+,T6s+,98,96s+,87,85s+,74s+,64s+,54s (FWIW I think it's a very thin line between flatting, shoving, & 3betting to 100 w/ a lot of these hands, depending on the opponent), & especially closer to 20bb"Seems decent enough. I'm playing a little wider than this - all suited queens, Q6+, J7, T7, 97, 95s, for example, but it might just because I'm so spectacularly awesome at playing OOP that I can get away with those hands (this is a joke).

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"3bet push: 22-99,A2+ (some

"3bet push: 22-99,A2+ (some bluff hands, especially closer to 20bb) 3bet to 100: TT+, random junkish hands like 95s, 84s, J5s, etc.. (If they 4bet wide I might reshove w/ more bluff hands & maybe increase my 2.5-3x value range) 3bet to 120: KJ+,KTs,QTs+ (maybe K9s & QJo)"The weakest aces I don't think are good to jam for 25bb if it's 80%, other than that, your understanding looks good. Just want to make clear that there are other balance schemes that work out, so while I subscribe to one that's very similar to this one, I'm not saying other ones are categorically bad. But I like your understanding.

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"The weakest aces I don't

"The weakest aces I don't think are good to jam for 25bb if it's 80%, other than that, your understanding looks good."I thought in your video where you had the Ax & T9s chart against different raising ranges that you said A3o was optimal to reshove if they were raising 70 something %.  I believe there was an EV 0 opening % & an optimal opening %for each hand, & then an opening % & calling % for the raiser.  Have you changed your mind or did I misunderstand this?

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"vs a 60% raiser: flat

"vs a 60% raiser: flat A2-A4,K7+,K4s+,Q9+,Q5s+,J9+,J7s+,T9,T6s+,98,96s+,86s+,75s+,65s,54s 3bet push:22-99,A5+,A2s+ (I might start pushing some of the more suited connected stuff at around 20bb vs some players) 3bet to 100: same as vs 80% but w/ less bluffs 3bet to 120: KQ,KJs"By the way - I think JJ and TT work a little better in the 120 range, but I could be convinced otherwise.I think you're jamming a couple too many aces here at 25bb - A5o is not a jam for 25bb against a 60% raiser, imo. But I'm being a bit of a nit about it - if it were more like a 68% raiser it would be fine. If you have a HUSNG premium membership, refer to the slide about shoving weak aces in the advanced big blind video.Again though, I do think you need to be playing more hands OOP. Are you suggesting folding T8o? That's well too tight.

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"A5o is not a jam for 25bb

"A5o is not a jam for 25bb against a 60% raiser"I actually am only reshoving this at around 20 or maybe 21bb but I grouped 20-25bb together so I just threw it in there.  At 25bb A7o & A3s or A2s or prolly the weakest aces I'd consider reshoving vs a 60% opener.I'll make sure I'm calling w/ hands like T8o, J8o, & Q8o.  Actually, I don't think I ever really fold those against a 60% raiser anyway.  I just kinda threw together some ranges quick.  I'm probably still too tight OOP though.

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"vs a 40% raiser: flat:

"vs a 40% raiser: flat: A2+,K9+,K6s+,Q9+,Q8s+,J9+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,87s,76s 3bet to 100: TT+ (mix in some bluffs if you play them a lot & they actually catch on) 3bet to 120: KQ,KJs+" I don't see a shoving range here - AK is not a flat, but I think you just mistyped. Again, even against a 40%er, you can't fold T7s to a minraise, your ranges look too tight.   "Personally, I think 3bet reshoving at around 20-23bb or so is very underrated in HU STs.  I see people correctly adjust their flatting & 4bet ranges to a 100 re-raise but I never really see people correctly adjust their calling range to a wide 3bet reshoving range at 20-25bb.  You make the Phil Ivey references all the time in your videos (which I love), but I think that mindset is why people underrate 3bet reshoving.  It doesn't seem like you're playing some unexploitable super deep thinking strategy when you reship in 20bb w/ J3s vs an 80% opener, but I think it can very often be the best play."I think your last line is a great point - it's definitely in the category for some people of feeling like not great poker, even when the equity shows that it is. I'd just be careful about a few things:a) Make damn sure you actually know their opening range is that wide at that stack depth and that they aren't adjusting to your aggression. Most people will raise different percentages at different stack depths, and it's just human nature to stop raising so much if your opponent is jamming a lot, so it's also really easy to sit in your position as you get called off by AK and think "that's just unlucky, I know I made the right play, he was opening x%", when actually it wasn't a good play anymore.b) Make sure your expectation from jamming is also better than your expectation from flatting, but I read now you've watched my videos so I'm sure I've beat you over the head with that already.

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I'll keep T7s in mind & add

I'll keep T7s in mind & add other connector type hands to my range.  40% was probably the toughest range for me because it's pretty nitty so I wasn't sure how much of a nit I should be myself.I flat AK at 20bb because they're tight.  Just kidding.  I definitely forgot the pushing range.  I think I'm pretty tight reshoving against a 40% raiser & just 22+,A8+,A7s at 20bb.As far as making damn sure they aren't adjusting, If I've already reshoved a couple hands I assume their widening they're calling range, or tightening their opening range if they fold a button or 2.  If they're simply widening their calling range I'm not overly worried because if they're still raising 80% & calling with 22+,A2+,KJ+,K9s+,QJs J3s is still a very profitable reshove at 20bb.  As far as making sure shoving is better than flatting, that's why I picked a hand like J3s rather than 96s.  I can't imagine flatting would be better vs an 80% at 20bb so hopefully I'm not wrong.  If you haven't been reshoving or 3betting overly wide in general I don't think most people change their opening range much from 20-25bb & don't  adjust tighter until closer to 15bb.  I've seen plenty of poor players who don't adjust at all.  My favorites are the guys I've played 10 times who still haven't folded a button & never even come close to correctly adjusting their calling range vs a reshove.Thanks for the analysis Mers.  I'll try to be less of a nit OOP.

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What are the weakest pairs

What are the weakest pairs you'd rather 3x than push over a limp 13-15bb deep?  At what stack depth are you generally opting to push hands like KJ & JT over a limp rather than 3x?

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Thanks for pointing that out.

Thanks for pointing that out. Readless, I'd start 3xing around 88/99. KJ you really don't ever have to start shoving instead of 3xing although I tend to around 8bb because it stops mattering that much, JT I think 11-12bb deep jamming is going to be best.

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Your reasoning/adjustments

Your reasoning/adjustments sound great! :) About A3o for 25bb...I got a bit jumbled up in my response, I think shoving it for 25bb is fine if you're sure he's raising 80% (thanks for using my own video to own me ;)). Just be careful with gameflow/sample size here.

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I think you missed post 27

I think you missed post 27

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What kind of bb/hand do you

What kind of bb/hand do you expect to have from flatting 2xes w/ these hands 20-25BBs deep?K5oQ5s98o54s

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Those are all going to be

Those are all going to be about -0.5bb type hands, imo. I just checked my historical expecation and that seems about right. 

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Thanks, I assume hands like

Thanks, I assume hands like K2s,J8o,T8o,T6s, 75s, & 64s would all have a pretty similar flatting expectation to those hands.What about your bb/hand flatting w/ some stronger hands like KTo, QTo, JTo & stronger connectors like Q9s, J9s, & T8s?

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Those are going to be pretty

Those are going to be pretty close to 0bb (KTo a little in the positive, JTo a little in the negative, same for Q9s/T8s).

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Mers, Thanks for donating to

Mers,Thanks for donating to me in that $500 fish.  Clearly you had no clue of my run good power when you sat me.

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haha - I didn't know that was

haha - I didn't know that was you :)

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sure was, I'm the guy who

sure was, I'm the guy who binked QT on your JJPlaying a wide range of buy-ins w/ a mix of something like:11% $50s49% $100s23% $200s8% $300s9% $500sHow many games would it take before you had a lot of confidence in your adjusted ROI in HU STs?  What about within 1%?  Or 2%?I don't know if you know the answers or not but in 6 mans there were always rules like after 3,000 games (unadjusted) you're likely to be within 5% of your true ROI & after 25,000 games you're 90% to be within 2% of your true ROI.  For single table SNGs a good approximation was that adjusted ROI is kind of like multiplying your sample by 3.9.  Knowing stats like this was always good for piece of mind during rough stretches. 

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Within a couple thousand

Within a couple thousand games you're probably 90% for your EV adjusted ROI to be within 2% of your true ROI, probably 99% for 5000 games. Those are just educated guesses though.

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Let's say you've developed a

Let's say you've developed a limping range against an aggro 3bettor & you limp 14BBs.  What kind of hands are you calling a 3x with at this stack depth?  I think a hand like JTo is still an easy call here but how weak are we going?  Also, at what stack depth are you going to stop limp/calling these hands? At around 12bb when a player is 3bet pushing wide AND pushing wide over limps, are you starting to push a lot more hands or raise/call a lot more hands?  Or both?  What hands are you adding to your raise/calling range?  How wide of a limp trapping range might you develop?You said in your bb endgame vid not to flat raises w/ <15bb unless your opponent is a nit & your hand flops well.  Obv we also make an exception vs total spewtards postflop.  It kind of seems like you've backed off this statement since & have been flatting a lot more at these stack depths.  Am I right?Otherwise, say you're playing a nit who opens something like 40% on the btn.  How wide are you flatting w/ about 14bb and at what stack depth do you stop flatting them? 

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"Let's say you've developed a

"Let's say you've developed a limping range against an aggro 3bettor & you limp 14BBs.  What kind of hands are you calling a 3x with at this stack depth?  I think a hand like JTo is still an easy call here but how weak are we going?  Also, at what stack depth are you going to stop limp/calling these hands?"That's actually something I've been thinking a lot about recently. It depends on exactly how short, but I think T9o is fine to limp/call, 98o is probably a fold, but that line is pretty fuzzy. I stop limp/calling when it's correct to do something else but limp basically, Some of it depends on stack sizes, you can limp/call 96s for 18bb but not for 11bb, etc. 

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"At around 12bb when a player

"At around 12bb when a player is 3bet pushing wide AND pushing wide over limps, are you starting to push a lot more hands or raise/call a lot more hands?  Or both?  What hands are you adding to your raise/calling range?  How wide of a limp trapping range might you develop?"I'm definitely just jamming a lot of my T8o stuff instead of limp/folding a ton, K3o becomes more of a jam instead of messing around with other options, etc. I'm adding middling kings to my raise/calling range, K7 needs to be a raise/call instead of a limp, Q9o definitely a raise/call. It still makes a big difference what their flatting range is: If they have no flatting range there's no need to have an openshoving range. I think against most people it's best to have your trapping range your minraising range, most people do not spazz that much more over limps than minraises. AA and KK though I would limp though because we never mind seeing a flop with those and letting him hit a pair.

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"You said in your bb endgame

"You said in your bb endgame vid not to flat raises w/ <15bb unless your opponent is a nit & your hand flops well.  Obv we also make an exception vs total spewtards postflop.  It kind of seems like you've backed off this statement since & have been flatting a lot more at these stack depths.  Am I right?"You are right to some degree, I've been convinced off of this initial stance by a few really good players who do it a lot. I still think ig your opponent is raising an above average percentage, most of those flatting hands are better to jam. But against someone who is raising even just 45% and has a normal fairly wide calling range, our expectation from flatting with these hands that flop well is going to be pretty good and I think it's a real option.

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"Otherwise, say you're

"Otherwise, say you're playing a nit who opens something like 40% on the btn.  How wide are you flatting w/ about 14bb and at what stack depth do you stop flatting them?"Just going by my intuition, you can flat a lot of 98, T9-T7, J9/J8, Q8, K7 type hands, as well as some slightly weaker suited varieties, like 96s especially when gameflow would suggest you're getting induced a lot. I think once you get down somewhere in the range of 9-12bb if BTNs range is wide enough that it's worth playing them it's probably worth just jamming.

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During the off month is the

During the off month is the forum going to be locked to people who subscribed this month?  I'm def renewing but am wondering if I need to copy & paste some stuff into a word document to study during the off month or if I will still have access to the forum. Thanks.

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You won't still have access

You won't still have access to the forum, iirc. Definitely feel free to copy/paste or print.

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going through entire thread,

going through entire thread, and ima post my thoughts on some things said here, as i come up with em, becausee, if i wait till im finished and make one long post i might lose my train of thought (or we its called) 

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Your standard 50% btn opening

Your standard 50% btn opening villain pushes 12bb.  We just got to this stack depth & aren't really aware of his tendencies as far as limping vs pushing vs min raising.  What's your calling range?  What about at 10bb?  What about vs a good aggressive reg?  These situations are such much easier in 6 mans where people mostly just jam at these depths. I'll take my stab at it & you can tell me how big of a donk I am12bb: 22+,A2+,K9+,K7s+,QT+,Q9s+, maybe JTs10bb:  22+,A2+,K8+,K5s+,QT+,Q8s+,JTs, maybe J9s

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"Your standard 50% btn

"Your standard 50% btn opening villain pushes 12bb.  We just got to this stack depth & aren't really aware of his tendencies as far as limping vs pushing vs min raising.  What's your calling range?  What about at 10bb?  What about vs a good aggressive reg?  These situations are such much easier in 6 mans where people mostly just jam at these depths. I'll take my stab at it & you can tell me how big of a donk I am 12bb: 22+,A2+,K9+,K7s+,QT+,Q9s+, maybe JTs 10bb:  22+,A2+,K8+,K5s+,QT+,Q8s+,JTs, maybe J9s" Looks great. I'd throw K7o in there for sure though, all the other borderlines look very reasonable.

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As you moved up in stakes

As you moved up in stakes which ST regs sat you the longest at $300+?  Do any of the top guys still ever sit you?Basically the only 2 good regs that sit me are H2olga & rams85 (well, I guess riycc sat me a few times but he's usually just playing $1K+ games it seems).  H2olga will sit me at $350 & $500 STs & rams85 will sit me at $350 STs (but not $500s, lol).  While I don't think I'm ready for a reg war w/ H2olga as he adjusts very well & I don't think I've seen 5 regs he doesn't sit, I'd like to tell rams to GTFO pretty soon.  Usually I just don't play $350s when he's on or I might play him a few times.  Sometime in the near future I'd like to go over some of his tendencies in HEM (only 12 games as I just started mixing in Hu last month & started it full time thus month but should still be enough to get some decent info, but obv ready to counter when he adjusts) & then set aside sometime when he's on to just 1 table him & keep rematching him until he finally declines.  Hopefully I can knock this out in a day but I know Hu regs & poker players in general tend to have big egos.  Do you like this plan or would you advise anything differently?  H2olga can have my games while I hide out at $200 & under when he's on.  :)

mersenneary's picture
As for hiding from

As for hiding from regs...h2olga and I have an implicit deal right now that I give him the 1k lobby whenever he asks for it, and in return, he doesn't sit me at 500 ST. In moving up, it's been a process - I'm surprised only two regs have been on you. I sat you because I forgot your sn and would have sat you for at least a few games because I didn't recognize you.I would advise against telling rams to GTFO - that's honestly just going to make him remember you and dislike you. Just play well and decline, or accept, whatever. I do like the pick a day and play him while really focusing, but do not argue with him in chat.I still get sat at 350/500 by regs - cfish, iseeyouthrough, kotik-narkotiks, da_professional, and others still sit me on a very regular basis. Everybody gets sat. It's just the way it is at higher stakes.What I would advise you to do, just as a smart business decision, is raise your profile a bit. The more well known you are, the less people will want to pick on you.After I had my big December, I had a choice: Brag about it, or humbly not talk about it and keep on doing my thing (somewhat) under the radar. My instinct was the latter - I don't get off on the ego angle like a lot of people do, I play online poker for the money and don't care very much at all whether the general community thinks I'm all that or not. However, what I realized is that it was simply the correct business decision to talk up my success a bit and let people know that I've had some kickass results. So I made a BBV thread, a couple brag posts in the regs thread, tried to make it as not douchey as possible.What I found out was that it really made a big difference. People who had been showing me no respect stopped sitting me. CardRunners came calling with an offer, which HUSNG.com beat out. I still had to pay my dues at the higher stakes, but making people aware of how much I was crushing in a non-aggressive manner really helped my poker career.So what I'm getting at is that if I weren't coaching you and didn't look at your stats the other day, I would have absolutely no idea that you were crushing so hard. And if I knew, I wouldn't see you as a random in the lobby, but someone who already has proven results (as it is, I wouldn't sit you anyway because I coach you). But for other people, they don't know who the fuck you are, and that should change.

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