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Tightfish's picture
HTHU 3.5s - MP vs 3barrel

Readless, if I had 78+ I would checkraise flop to 170 to induce spew with his overcards, but I read statement if you have top pair and kicker worse than 7, then is better just check/call, so I did it. I would also call any turn. River is imo close, he can be bluffing with his OESD, gutshot, or anything, odds are fine, so I did call. Is it ok?

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Dipl.Komp.'s picture
you may have a weak kicker,

you may have a weak kicker, but you do have a backdoor straight and a backdoor flush draw. raise flop, shove turn if called, especially on a heart turn. any 9, 8, 4, 3 and any heart will give you additional equity, plus any 7 or 6 will give you a boat. you have about half the deck working in your favour, so go raise the flop.

 

if you miss to raise on the flop, you should jam the turn. it´s your last chance of getting the money in with equity. if the money goes in on the river, you´ll more often than you´ll like it turn out the loser, if the button is competent.

 

 

Tightfish's picture
Hi Dipl.Komp., thanks for

Hi Dipl.Komp., thanks for reply.

"if you miss to raise on the flop, you should jam the turn. it´s your last chance of getting the money in with equity. if the money goes in on the river, you´ll more often than you´ll like it turn out the loser, if the button is competent."

I dont understand why I should jam turn (did you think check/jam right?), if the button is competent, he will not call with worse. He will fold only his bluffs and that is not what we want to reach.

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
I dont understand why I

I dont understand why I should jam turn (did you think check/jam right?), if the button is competent, he will not call with worse. He will fold only his bluffs and that is not what we want to reach.

yes, check jam turn.

but i have to do the math first to confirm my feeling. if it pans out, i will let the explanation follow.

 

but my main point is anyway: raise the flop, shove the turn if called.

 
 

 

AGT89's picture
Readless Im check-pushing the

Readless Im check-pushing the flop. Later on Im playing kind of straight forward and it is working fine for me, so thats what I would do.

Some people could argue against check-pushing, saying that you just fold all his air, and I would reply, I'M FINE MAKING HIM TO FOLD OVERCARDS, I take the pot! When he bets full pot If you really think about his range it's pretty much crazy air cbet (wich I see often) and some source of draw that they are not going to fold and we have them crush, and from time to time you will see a hand like A7,  shit happens don't worry about that part of the range. 

As played on the turn I would check-push pretty easy for a couple of reasons pretty much the same I said before.

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4 card brett's picture
if this guy was raising 70%+

if this guy was raising 70%+ when in the button this hand would be perfect for 3 betting

if he is not raising buttons so much then flatting is fine

3 betting bottom of you calling range as bluff 3 bet v aggressive wide opening range is a good idea

if villain is not opening button so wide then i would only call as you did

i think you can check raise this hand on a paired board despite the weak kicker and i would look to get it in on the turn.