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TTLH's picture
Hand Review : Was it wise to check down the river ?

Hi all,

After 22 hands. Villian open 73%, vpip 44%. limps 9%.

 

How would you have played this hand ? And for my play, was it wise to check down the river?

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players
$14.69+$0.31

Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter

BB DeuceHighWin 467
SB Hero 533

Effective Stacks: 23bb

Blinds 10/20

Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)

Hero is SB

cT
cA

Hero raises to 40, DeuceHighWin calls 20

Flop (80, 2 players)

c7
s8
d4

DeuceHighWin checks, Hero bets 40, DeuceHighWin calls 40

Turn (160, 2 players)

h2

DeuceHighWin checks, Hero bets 90, DeuceHighWin calls 90

River (340, 2 players)

s4

DeuceHighWin checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: 340

DeuceHighWin shows two pair, Sevens and Fours

h7
sJ

Hero shows

cT
cA

DeuceHighWin wins 340 ( won +170 )

Hero lost -170

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
i think checking the river is

i think checking the river is fine especially given the 4 has paired. you are winning against all of villain´s draws anyway and a 7 or 8  will call you again. betting will only lose you money.
 
on such a board with middling cards and myself holding Ax, i like to check back the flop, depending on the opponent. i´d hate to get raised here and possibly have to give up the best hand.

ARRONWILSON's picture
Flop is close between cbet

Flop is close between cbet giving up and checking back.  Flop is too connected and hits too much of his calling range.  Your cbet doesnt really fold out hands better than ace high and a lot of draws are going to call, only thing you would be doing is folding out worse hands with equity share.  

TTLH's picture
Hi Aaronwilson

Hi,
You mentioned that "Flop is close between cbet giving up and checking back". 
given the flop is 784 rainbow, it is wet enough and connects very well with our opponent's ranges. 
My question is , what are some of the quick ways that you use in-game to guage between cbetting and checking. I am still pretty new at this, hope to get some guidance. 
 
Regards,

ARRONWILSON's picture
Theres no real easy way to

Theres no real easy way to answer that, it just comes from playing lots of hands and instinctively knowing what calling ranges connect well on flop textures.  
I guess one way to look at it is the dryer the board the more you should cbet with air and the wetter the more likely you should be to check back and try and realise your equity with overcards.  
One example is k 2 7 rainbow, cbetting here with air is going to be really profitable, no flush or straight draws, only king x and 7x can continue, 2x shouldnt really be in a check calling range unless you are somewhat deep stacked and villian is calling minraises with a2 and hands like k2 and q2 suited etc
A example of a flop you should probably just give up on with A Q is a flop like 4 6 8  with 2 diamonds,  villians calling range is going to continue or raise vs a cbet here too often so you should seriously consider just checking back and trying to get to showdown or hopefully turning one of your 6 outs.  On the flop vs a cbet villians flush draws continue and any hand with a 4,5,6,7,8 and gutshot hands like 9 10 will all not be folding.  

cdon3822's picture
There is software you can use

There is software you can use to analyse how ranges interact with various board textures.
- PPT Odds Oracle, Interactive Hand Stats
- Flopzilla
 
There is an underlying assumption that players are playing on levels 1 & 2 wrt to "standard" cbetting strategy.
You will notice that in the high stakes hand histories flops like the mentioned K72 r, end up being battle grounds for aggressive play when good players go to war for the pot.
Because if OOP player is playing on level 3, he realises this is a good spot to cbet for IP player, so OOP expands his c/r bluffing range to exploit a wide cbetting range that is full of air.
And if the IP player is on level 4, he realises that the OOP player realises he can contest this board because the IP player's perceived range is so wide when he cbets here so he can float wide or rebluff.
 
I'd imagine it's nice to have a K here vs a thinking player who will spew outlevel himself :)