Seat 1: Villain (1430 in chips)
Seat 2: psimalive (1570 in chips)
psimalive: posts small blind 10
Villain: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to psimalive [Qh Td]
psimalive: raises 40 to 60
Villain: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Js 8d Kh]
Villain: checks
psimalive: bets 80
Villain: raises 80 to 160
psimalive: raises 140 to 300 // This is v. v. v. situational. I make this play when villain is unknown often because less than 1% of players will bluff over it and when it doesn't garner a fold (it does a lot more than it should), most players will flat their value hands all day, then check turn, meaning I see both turn/river and get to realize my equity.
Villain: calls 140
*** TURN *** [Js 8d Kh] [6d]
Villain: checks
psimalive: checks
*** RIVER *** [Js 8d Kh 6d] [7s]
Villain: checks
psimalive: bets 1210 and is all-in
At low stakes, this play would be terrible.
At high stakes, 90%+ of good, thinking players including regs will pitch KQ, and most will be sick to their stomachs with J8. My hand is Kx that improved, K8, KJ (esp. KJdd), 9T, QT, 88, JJ, KK, and mayyyybe AQ. Villain only beats QT, of which there are as many combinations of 9T, and plenty of extra fun hands that turn this play from a scary call to a std. fold.
Know your villain's abilities.
You do fold hands that beat you on that flop, but without an image most regs or players in 220+ are probably not playing KQ or J8 so passively OOP on this flop/turn, wouldn't you say?
And if they are they do play those two hands you mentioned so passively, then you will be doing about 95% of the betting for the rest of the match.
Good hand though, I think you're pretty much correct here, those two hand examples perhaps a little optimisticly used.
Reading over it again, I could also interpret your KQ/J8 mentions just as examples of strong flop hands most villains fold by that river.
And if a villain does get down to the river like that with a strong hand, they will usually fold those hands even if they aren't a regular or winner. A lot of the hyper aggro, call/bet anything type guys will be coming over the top of you on that flop, as you mentioned, with nothing but strength.
It has a lot of parallels, that hand. A general thought I managed to grasp somewhere in my first 1 or 2 thousand 110s was that often times you can find very profitable spots bluffing good players on very wet boards.
A lot of people always assume, and it's probably the first bluffing lesson msot people get, "fire more at dry boards, where villain isn't likely to have a hand." But when playing a thinking player or one who isn't capable of making light calls when you can really rep a legitimately strong hand range, you can raise a lot of very wet boards (not just like in your example, but say in more common spots like OOP seeing a flop in a raised pot and making a CR and sometimes follow up or two) with great fold equity. Flatting or reraising is often a huge hang range narrower too.