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Nossrep's picture
Is this a fold?

This is the 11 $ Saturday duel hu on Stars.First hand.  No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBA1K2Q31500  BTNHero1500  Effective Stacks: 75bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 60, A1K2Q3 calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) A1K2Q3 checks, Hero bets 70, A1K2Q3 calls 70 Turn (260, 2 players) A1K2Q3 checks, Hero bets 140, A1K2Q3 raises to 410, Hero ??

FCDplayer's picture
We have to consider it is

We have to consider it is wrong draw line or value line. If he plays like that with 9T, JT, 8T, FD etc, we definitely should push. If he plays like that only for value it's easy fold. If he's good player I fold turn because he's line isn't logical against draws because he gives you good odds(you need only 25%). If he's bad player I prefer push turn because of many spewy lines. Sorry for my Enlish, I hope you understand me. I improve it step by step.

Nossrep's picture
I understand what you mean. :-)

This is the very first hand we play.So dont know if hes a good player or a apewmonkey. So no reads on what lines hes taking.So my real question is: what do we do here when were absolutely readless?When i sat there, i thought that the only hands he might play like that would be hands like KJ, QJ, JT, J9, J8, 89.I think he might 3 bet hands like 88,99,jj, QQ, KK.2 pair hands im sure he raises on flop for value.

happyham's picture
I would cry for a while, and

I would cry for a while, and then fold. At low stakes this is almost always a strong line.  A flopped straight, two pair... etc. I am always concerned when im playing a bad player*, and he check calls the flop then check raises the turn.  I'm pretty sure you are beaten here. *Almost anyone at the $10 level is going to be a weak player, but obv there are tools you can use to check a players stats beforehand.

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Nossrep's picture
I did scope him..

He had an ROI on 4 over about 400 matches. But hes in a serious downswing. I did cry while using 120 sec in timebank and saying to myself that i never ever will be good in this spot.... Before i jammed it and got insta called with 33.Didnt really see him call flop with 33. :-/

nekrogovner's picture
Readless I'd say his raise is

Readless I'd say his raise is committing, but also very likely "scared of draws" so he really wants you to get it in asap with worse hands like Tx, flushdraws, etc. I might be tempted to call, but I feel that villains very likely trying to protect strong hand on a wet board.

longjohn's picture
Yeah I agree with everyone

Yeah I agree with everyone that this should be a fold against an unknown this is so often going to be better then a pair especially seeing as this is the first hand of the game. maybe if it was later and you had been aggessive the whole game

Byzantine's picture
Readless I'm probably getting

Readless I'm probably getting it in on the flop to a CR. When he flats the flop and CRs turn, I think it eliminates most draws from his range so I'd be folding here. I would definitely bet bigger on the flop though, it's a pretty wet board so I think you can easily bet 90-pot in this situation, and I'm betting bigger on the turn as well. I really think he's folding most 9x/8x's on the turn to any bet so I think you can bet a lot bigger and tailor your bets for draws and Jx.