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longjohn's picture
float aggro player?

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNPrIc3l3sS1515  BBHero1485  Effective Stacks: 30bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is BB PrIc3l3sS raises to 100, Hero calls 50 Flop (200, 2 players) Hero checks, PrIc3l3sS bets 100, Hero calls 100 Turn (400, 2 players) Hero checks, PrIc3l3sS bets 200, Hero calls 200 River (800, 2 players) Hero checks, PrIc3l3sS bets 400, Hero folds Final Pot: 1200 PrIc3l3sS wins 1200 ( won +400 ) Hero lost -400This villain is aggro with a wide opening range he cbets 91% and barrels 75%, but I haven't been to showdown with him much so I don't know his ranges, I imagine that he would be barreling scare cards quite often. would you be floating this turn or is it too thin, would you even float the flop vs someone who you know is going to barrel a lot?

nekrogovner's picture
30bb deep this is just

30bb deep this is just terrible, plus its on a increasingly difficult board. Altough his range is wide and he misses most of the time, with a player like this you can be lost at the flop already. So, first of all, given his wide opening range I would consider 3bet jamming A7, but I would also take into consideration his fold to 3bet. I don't like floating flop for a reason that I know he will often barrel turn and I have only 2-3 good outs. Call off more connected solid hands like broadways and some stuff like T9, 98, 97 if you are comfortable with it and wait for him to spew into you.

longjohn's picture
Cheers dude So is it bad

Cheers dudeSo is it bad because he barrels and this board will bring a lot of scare cards making it even more likely he will barrel? when you say its bad 30bb deep would you ever float him with A high on any board deeper? or is this just not the type of player you float with A high unless you have other outs as well? do you mean float hands like 98, 97? surely they would be better to c/r vs this sort of player?

nekrogovner's picture
Well deeper you should

Well deeper you should definitely float any hands with good equity sometimes and some mediocre made hands like mid/bottom pair that has some chance of improving. My plan would be gathering much information about him while its cheap and find any possible exploits to his tendencies. At the end, if all doesn't go so well and you feel like he is trampling over you, you should wait for some value hands and play them in manner in which you played some of the weak hands in previous situations (for example, when you c/c-ed 2 streets and c/f-ed river, only in this case you c/r river if board is good and if you expect him to 3barrel wide).

happyham's picture
If he is going to C bet close

If he is going to C bet close to 100% and then very likely to double barrel, then I think donking the flop or check raising would be better than check calling the flop. It depends on how he responds to your aggression (Has he been LAG? Has he been passive? etc) but its a pretty good board to check raise.  I know a lot of people will say that you would then be turning your hand into a bluff, but I can't see how check calling 2 streets and hoping he slows down will be more profitable in the long run. I would give up if he called the check raise.  The optimal strategy against someone like this I would think is to let him hang himself when you have good value hands.  It's almost certainly not the best play possible to call with thin thin showdown vs someone who barrels fearlessly.  I would be interested to see what others might think, but I think: Check raising > Donking (Barrelling a lot of turn cards) > Check folding > Check calling.

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Cheers guys not sure donking

Cheers guysnot sure donking would be best against the guy as he was an aggro player, Yeah I know what you mean about turning your hand into a bluff that is why I didn't think about c/r because I thought I was so far ahead of his range, but yeah your right that it has to be more +EV than calling.