12 posts / 0 new
Last post
Nossrep's picture
Is this a call? a shove or fold??

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBdesdd1650  BTNHero1350  Just played this hand today on Stars.Villain is new on stars, He had an ROI on 27 over 20ish games. Så cant tell if hes a good player. We have only been playing 13 hands before this hand, so i have no reads.Its a 7$ reg speed.Effective Stacks: 68bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 50, desdd calls 30 Flop (100, 2 players) desdd checks, Hero bets 70, desdd calls 70 Turn (240, 2 players) desdd checks, Hero bets 150, desdd raises to 360Hero???

fydor_8's picture
I shove the turn...I don't

I shove the turn...I don't think I'm getting away from this hand in a 7$ game unless I have particular reads that tell me hes tighter than the avergage 7$ player. 

longjohn's picture
I think generally he is going to have a strong range here

I think generally he is going to have a strong range here, it's rarely going to be a bluff and I can't see someone doing it often with a draw, but without any reads I can't see a fold because theres always a good chance that it could be a spaz.I think it would be best to just call and give him a chance to bet the river, if your thinking of shoving over the top anyway, then this way would keep any spazs that he has still in his range.

Nossrep's picture
I decided to raise to 760

and he shoved. I asked him if he had a set or straight. I called and he showed KT.But i probably should have shoved hes raise regardless. No help on river. :-)

fydor_8's picture
If your not folding, I'd

If your not folding, I'd prefer to just shove the turn rather than making a small raise like that because you might get him to fold weak 2pair that way or a pair and a FD - hands that can call a big shove but would fold to a re-raise because your showing a lot more strength by doing so. 

max.EVA's picture
everyone c-bets here? when

everyone c-bets here? when playing someone completely unknown, is it a bad idea to check back 2nd pair-type hands (thus calling most turn and river bets) to get an idea of how our opponent plays (timing, betsize,...).in addition, we have a backdoor flush draw as well as a backdoor gutter?!

Nossrep's picture
Its a pretty wet board.

Its a pretty wet board, so i cant se why i have to let him get a free card. If he wants to chase a draw, fine by my, but im not giving it for free. He could also hold Jx or Qx. Hes not holding AK, AQ, JJ, KK, AA, QQ. I dont think he would play hands like that, and just call pre. So the only hands he could have that beat me are pretty much on 66. He could have KQs,h or KJs,h They are probably stakking off here... I clearly think its a shove on turn after watching it again and again....

Urban's picture
I thing Croix would check on

I thing Croix would check on flop. Your hand is just not good enaugh to build large pot.

crstn's picture
^ With all the gutshots and

^With all the gutshots and flush draws out there otf there is a ton of hands we can get value on the flop. Missing thisvalue bet is not the best line imo

Urban's picture
 If I was  villan here I fold

 If I was  villan here I fold K10 on flop. But with type of players who calls gutshots and some week draws wide, I would defenetly control this pot since I can find much better and cleaner spot to value bet them. Just because they dont give away pots easy. Anyway this villan did have the implied odds to call on flop. But just because players like you who just bet bet bet with second pair on drawhavy boards. If he play against me he stil won once aut of 5 times by hitting the straight on turn or river. But the diference is I can stil find cleaner spots and beat him even if I loose this small pot. But you cant because you put large stack of your chips to this shity spot and you loose. So I can beat 6 out of 6 games and you can beat just 5 out of 6 games plus the odher similar pots you play to much aggressively on this limits. On this limit you just have to whait for better spots like this to but the money in.So guys this is just my opinion and I am not pro or something and my english sucks, but I beat this limits easily.

Nossrep's picture
Lets say i check.

Turn gives me 2 pair. You suggest i check again? I think you line is way to passive. We can pretty much exclude hand like AA, KK, JJ, QQ, as they most likely would have 3bet pre. As said earlier, we are only scared of 66 on the flop. Turn 66 and KT. 66 is even not that likely, a set he almost everytime would raise my bet post. In dont think he has KT enough times to play 2 pair so passively.I can say, that in my 300 games on stars, i have not been in same situation many times after.

Urban's picture
No, I would not check the

 I would not check the turn when I check the flop. U see the diference on flop all Ax were better and all flushdraws we are nearly fliping. But on the turn is a different story. On turn we are beating all one pair Ax and we are more than 80% favorite agains flushdraws. So we can bet comfortly.