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barreling of my stack into quads

think i look pretty much like an idiot in this hand and am not sure what would be the correct way to play this hand. its the 10th hand in a 7$ reg speed game. preflop my opponent raised every hand so far and he threebet my last two openraises. so i thought he was a very aggressive player. Effective Stacks: 64bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB crymysyn raises to 40, Hero raises to 140, crymysyn calls 100   Flop (280, 2 players) Hero bets 160, crymysyn calls 160   Turn (600, 2 players) Hero bets 340, crymysyn calls 340   River (1280, 2 players) Hero goes all-in 640, crymysyn calls 640   Final Pot: 2560 Hero shows two pair, Nines and Threes crymysyn shows four of a kind, Threes crymysyn wins 2560 ( won +1280 ) Hero lost -1280 can i threebet a player with A9o here? he raises every hand so far and threebet my twice. so i thought A9 is definitively ahead of his range. i think the betsize of the threebet is fine - it does not allow him to profitably call small pairs, suited connectors etc. on a paired flop i think i have to contibet. in my opinion the betsize is ok because of that. on a dry board i would have bet bigger. the turn gives me tptk and i have 980 chips left. is the bet size here ok, or is it to small, would u guys shove here?river is another undercard. what to do? just shipping? my thoughts were: what do i beat? a busted flushdraw, a busted straightdraw44-88 and a nine with a weaker kicker. i also see people on my level calling off their stack with AK or AQ unimproved.i loose to TT-AA but AA is very unlikely because i already have one. would be really happy about some comments what would have been the correct play here...  

jc52766's picture
I think the hand is well

I think the hand is well played. 3bet pre against maniac with A9 OK, Cbet dry flop, pair turn (TpTk) and bet 50% pot OK + shove river for value (considering his a maniac) seems fine. Although i think there's plenty of merit in calling pre given there's so much post-flop equity against a maniac.

stubbsy_11's picture
I tend to just flat pre vs

I tend to just flat pre vs maniacs with A9o. Even if he's calling your 3b's light I think it's going to be tough to play against him post, oop when you miss since... well, he's a maniac. So when he calls your flop bet and you miss the turn you're gonna be c/folding a lot.As played the line is absolutely fine I think.

themaninblack's picture
thanks!  think u are right.

thanks! think u are right. just flatting and then reevaluating on the flop is better. seen a video from itriedtowarnu today on how to react to maniacs. he says the same. just dont give away your chips in thin spots, so just no gambling. just let them hang themselves and wait for a better spot...;)

Melvis's picture
do you think you are a manic

do you think he ia a manic only because he opens all hands and 3bets twice in a row? I dont think you know enough to say he is a maniac and spewing off chips AND calling light postflop in 3betpots. Sounds like an overadaption to me.I dont like 3betting A9o because we are  most of the time dominated OR play for a small pot with Toppair out of position. I prefere calling preflop and check/calling this flop and reevaluate later.

aggresionware's picture
I think 3betting A9o is ok.

I think 3betting A9o is ok. You'll get totally runover against someone opening 100% of their hands if you don't widen your 3betting range and I imagine it's nearly always better at the $7 level to just throw more value hands into your 3betting range than to open up a 3betting bluff range. 

Barewire's picture
I don't mind 3betting A9s, I

I don't mind 3betting A9s, I think this is a tad weak though against someone we expect to continue very often. Just because he's opening 100% doesn't mean 3betting our good hands is mandatory, we can also call a lot and 3bet more bluffs if we think his range is weak. As played I'd definitely triple barrel, we have a really really strong value hand here and there's no need to be concerned about a monster. This board doesn't connect well with a flatting range and he's going to often have ace high or weak pocket pairs, maybe 45s type hands. The only thing I'd change is your turn bet size, I like to bet around 220-240 here because his range is weak and it puts his floats or weak ace highs in a tough spot, whereas if we bet a larger committing size he'll probably fold those hands. It also leaves a reasonable river bet and we won't have any trouble getting stacks in against 77 and such. River is a good value shove, definitely.

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Barewire's picture
I don't mind 3betting A9s, I

I don't mind 3betting A9s, I think this is a tad weak though against someone we expect to continue very often. Just because he's opening 100% doesn't mean 3betting our good hands is mandatory, we can also call a lot and 3bet more bluffs if we think his range is weak. As played I'd definitely triple barrel, we have a really really strong value hand here and there's no need to be concerned about a monster. This board doesn't connect well with a flatting range and he's going to often have ace high or weak pocket pairs, maybe 45s type hands. The only thing I'd change is your turn bet size, I like to bet around 220-240 here because his range is weak and it puts his floats or weak ace highs in a tough spot, whereas if we bet a larger committing size he'll probably fold those hands. It also leaves a reasonable river bet and we won't have any trouble getting stacks in against 77 and such. River is a good value shove, definitely.

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