No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero440 SBkingsofcards560 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB kingsofcards raises to 40, Hero ... My 1st question would be about 3bets. First match but villain has shown aggression first 2 hands ( mr btn & 3b to 90 ). I assume that 3bet shove is def ev+ when assuming our opponent is opening at least 80%+ buttons. But is it better to flat instead or make a smaller 3bet. I tend to call those QJ,KJ,KT,QT type of hands and play postflop around 20bbish deep, at the same time thinking that maybe it`s rwong of me to let them peek flop in position with lots of their trashy hands they also could have.
I strongly prefer 3betcall to 3bet jam with this range of hands. You'd really like them to call with all their dominated stuff that's prime for calling 3bets with. I think QJs is usually going to be a little too weak though and better to have in your flatting range because of how much worse it plays vs KQ/KJ/KT/K9. I would 3bet/call KJ here but just flat QJ. If you start feeling confident he's opening 80%+, QJs is indeed better to 3bet/call with, but when it's closer to the default 40%-65% I think flatting has the best equity at this stack depth.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero500 SBCorneliusMagnus500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB CorneliusMagnus raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, CorneliusMagnus bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, CorneliusMagnus checks River (160, 2 players) Hero bets/checks ? First hand of the match. Opponent is unknown but just saw him playing 500, so i believe he jumps stakes and is not competitive player. Is flop call ok, as we have lots of showdown value with Q high + gutshot. I was hoping he checks back turn if he has nothing, on turn i was ch/folding. On the river do we bet or check and hope our Q high is good ?
I'm really excited to hear how Primo's camp goes - you got in, yes? I think that will be a great experience. I think the flop call is standard, assuming people are going to c-bet this wide a wide % of their air is a reasonable thing to do, imo. On the river, I think we're trying to fold out too narrow of a range in order to try to bluff: Kx, which often doesn't c-bet this board, low pocket pairs/3x/4x (which occasionally may call). I think we have a decent amount of showdown value here and would just check. Against a decent but nittier reg, this is a great spot to put in a big river bet: They're ranges will often contain no Ax or flushes in it, while we rep those hands just fine, so we're going to fold out a ton of his range especially if he's thinking enough to know that we don't really have any air in our range. I don't think we can do that readless, though.
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Yeah i was lucky to notice it early enough and am super excited about it obv. It`s going to be Great experience, looking very forward to it.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero500 SBstevied77749500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB stevied77749 raises to 40, Hero raises to 120, stevied77749 calls 80 Flop (240, 2 players) Hero ?? As usual, early in the match and no read. He had opened 3/3 buttons with mr, 2 times i call pre,check flop and take it down on turn after him not cBetting. Bet/fold; bet/call ; check/fold ; check/raise ??
I prefer jamming pre especially in a ST, people are raise/calling way too wide of a range at this stack depth in STs and when you raise to 120 you let a lot of hands call that are actually quite correct to call, do so. As played with 380 behind and 240 on the flop I think you have to bet/call, there are just going to be far too many draws in his range for bet/folding to ever be an option. Checking allows him to realize equity he shouldn't with unpaired hands. If we had AT or something I could see check/folding, but as it is, too much equity against his range not to just bet/call it off.
Mers, what do you think of 2.5x 3betting AQ/AK in certain situations?I was playing riyyc today & from previous matches I figured he had the read that I 3bet him wide to 100. I 3bet AQ to 100 about 25bb deep in a ST. From seeing & hearing how aggro he is I thought he would develop a somewhat light 4betting range, at least one that includes the worst aces which I'd assume he folds to a 3bet shove. I was very confident he would 4bet shove any ace here.Of course, the downside is he can still flat. While he has never flatted this size 3bet against me before, my sample is rather small & I'd expect him to do it with some middling stuff & play pretty well IP. He did end up 4bet pushing A2o. Do you think the positives outweigh the negatives or would you just stick with reshoving?
By the way - one benefit of being in this program is that I could never sit you while coaching you. So not only do you not get sat, I pick someone else in the reg line instead, and you get a shorter wait. I should advertise this somehow as part of the benefits package... :)
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$100 + $2 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBRiverStarrs620 BBHero380 Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB RiverStarrs calls 10, Hero raises to 65, RiverStarrs calls 45 Flop (130, 2 players) Hero checks, RiverStarrs checks Turn (130, 2 players) Hero bets 55, RiverStarrs calls 55 River (240, 2 players) Hero bets 65, RiverStarrs folds Final Pot: 305 Hero wins 305 ( won +120 ) RiverStarrs lost -120 Few hands into the mach. Villain has 3bet me 2 times already, also he has limped few times. Few hands back he limp/called, called cbet, and i check-folded to his smallish bet on turn ( K58ss, 7s ). How is my line? I think this´flop hits his range a ton so im just chec/folding here. River is a blocking bet and i think i make a hard fold when he shoves or something.
I definitely disagree with you that this flop hits his range a ton - I expect him to have whiffed a large amount of the time here as well, and I would probably just bet/call it off as standard. Checking likely has pretty similar expectation, though. I would bet bigger on the turn - I don't think you induce that much from that much in his range after the flop get checked through, and we might as well get max value from his pairs and set up a river jam (as played, we still have a little more than pot left on the river). I'm fine with a small bet/fold on this river.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero500 SBnelisszz500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB nelisszz calls 10, Hero raises to 65, nelisszz calls 45 Flop (130, 2 players) Hero bets 60, nelisszz raises to 120, Hero calls 60 Turn (370, 2 players) Hero checks, nelisszz bets 140, Hero calls 140 River (650, 2 players) Hero checks, nelisszz goes all-in 175, Hero goes all-in 175 Final Pot: 1000 Thoughts on all streets please .
What do you think of minraisin IP on turn with medium strength hands to get cheap showdown and extract value and also to block better hands to put more money in the pot.for example:No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBnelisszz541 SBHero459 Effective Stacks: 11bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 20, nelisszz checks Flop (80, 2 players) nelisszz checks, Hero bets 45, nelisszz calls 45 Turn (170, 2 players) nelisszz bets 40, Hero raises to 80
The dynamics of the 88 hand I'm sure you're aware of, it's hard for him to have a value hand, and it's also hard for him to have a worse hand. I think the turn is a fold without additional reads. That sizing in particular is just quite rarely a pure bluff.I think minraising with the T5 is going to be pretty close in expectation to flatting. I'd like it much better if there were more pure draws in our opponent's range that might bluff river. As it is, there's really none of those, so I think your desire for a "cheap showdown" is misplaced. We can fold pretty comfortably to a reasonable sized river bet, because he doesn't have very many bluffs in his range at all. That sort of defeats the purpose of raising so that we get checked to more often on the river.
Do you shove total trashhands over limps, when you estimate you have A TON of fold equity around 10BB. Im feeling good shoving middle 78/Q4 hands but feel that shoving 24o is a leak.
I think your understanding is pretty solidly on the mark. Another reason to not shove 24o is that if you shove close to 100% even an obtuse opponent will adapt, if you shove about half the time with hands that will have decent equity, you get less adaptation.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero630 SBpatrickbaitman370 Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB patrickbaitman calls 10, Hero raises to 65, patrickbaitman calls 45 Flop (130, 2 players) Hero ?? Is bet/calling here justified when villain has limped decent amount and has been rather floaty.
130 in the pot, 305 behind...I think bet/call is probably your best option, yeah. Far too many draws to bet/fold and 8x/9x isn't big enough part of his range to check.
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$100 + $2 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBecasey10540 BBHero460 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB ecasey10 raises to 60, Hero calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, ecasey10 goes all-in 480, Hero calls or folds. Im leaning towards a call as the oipponent is unknown and the line is weird. I think we are ahead of his range to make the call.
Right on the borderline, imo. Flip a coin, or just do it based on whether you're stuck for the day :p
$200 ST1st hand oponent limps, I raise his limp with 99 and he folds to 2nd barrel. ( 64Q ; 2 ; K )2nd hand villain calls MR and folds to 2nd barrel. ( 9J4 ; A )He has 15 bb-s left and limps. What is your shoving/raising range?
It's debateable between jamming and just raising with strong aces. I'm jamming any weak ace for sure. I'm jamming 77 or lower and raising 88 or better. I 3x K9o+, K7s+, Q9o+, Q8s+, JTo+, J8s+ or thereabouts.
Mers, what do you think about jamming a hand like A7o over a 20bb limp? Without a read that they trap a lot I think it's best. Raising 3x is just so awkward because we're OOP kinda shallow & our hand doesn't play that well post-flop. Checking seems pretty weak. When you shove you'll usually jut pickup 2BBs uncontested & when they do call your push you're usually ahead of some random lol hand they decide to call with. What are your thoughts & if you like it how many Ax hands might you shove this deep from the BB vs a limp? If you don't like shoving how deep would you shove? Thanks
I've become a fan of that play - it's not like they're really exploiting you, they could always just minraise and you'd jam over anyway. I def would not recommend 3xing with a hand like A7o. I think it's probably optimal with A5o-A8o and A3s-A8s or something like that.
Against good opponents who minraise a wide range from the button and are aggressive/adaptive, it's optimal to 3-bet wide, and you need to have your strong aces in that range so you can 3bet as wide as you'd like without becoming unbalanced. I think it's a good adjustment to make non-allin 3bets with strong aces vs these type of players. It's just that readless, I think we should be jamming.
Good deal. How many Ax hands would you 2.5x 3bet against good players around 25bb deep rather than 3bet jam?
$200 ST1st hand. We mr / and get 3bet to 120. Whats our reshoving range ?
22+,A8+
"Good deal. How many Ax hands would you 2.5x 3bet against good players around 25bb deep rather than 3bet jam?"If the dynamic's there for it, ATo+, A9s+. Without the dynamic I still just jam/
"1st hand. We mr / and get 3bet to 120. Whats our reshoving range ?"JSH's range is pretty good, A8o/A7s are probably the borderline hands.
Short question: Why not reshoving A2s if you reshove A7s? Imo A7s is only better against A2s if the villain has some 22-66 or A3-A6 in his 3bet to 120 range for the 1st hand, which I don't expect.
It's a good point. I expect enough A2-A7, especially the suited varieties, and 22-77, especially against not great opponents, that there's a difference between the two hands.
WHat do you think of this calldown against rando 1st hand?? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero500 SBroulettepoker500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB roulettepoker calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, roulettepoker bets 20, Hero calls 20 Turn (80, 2 players) Hero checks, roulettepoker bets 80, Hero calls 80 River (240, 2 players) Hero checks, roulettepoker goes all-in 380, Hero goes all-in 380
I'm not a fan. I see randoms take this line with 8x all the time - tiny bet on the flop, big bet on the turn, big river bet. The river is actually a funny card - it makes it less likely that he'll do this with his 8x, but his line also reps a flush now perfectly.
I read a skype discussion about Ax against limps today and checked this thread."Mers, what do you think about jamming a hand like A7o over a 20bb limp? Without a read that they trap a lot I think it's best. Raising 3x is just so awkward because we're OOP kinda shallow & our hand doesn't play that well post-flop. Checking seems pretty weak. When you shove you'll usually jut pickup 2BBs uncontested & when they do call your push you're usually ahead of some random lol hand they decide to call with. What are your thoughts & if you like it how many Ax hands might you shove this deep from the BB vs a limp? If you don't like shoving how deep would you shove?""I've become a fan of that play - it's not like they're really exploiting you, they could always just minraise and you'd jam over anyway. I def would not recommend 3xing with a hand like A7o. I think it's probably optimal with A5o-A8o and A3s-A8s or something like that."What's about 25bb deep? Is this play still good and how do you change the ranges A5o-A8o and A3s-A8s?
25bb deep I'm much more wishy washy about it, but I think it MIGHT still be optimal with A7o-A9o and A6s-A8s, something like that. But I would never criticize someone for not jamming, it's going to be pretty close, even 20bb.
If we have seen our opponent to lead a lot with air hands what do you think is the best way to continue this hand for example:call all streets or raise for protection at some point ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBa_punker487 SBHero513 Effective Stacks: 16bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, a_punker calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) a_punker bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (200, 2 players) a_punker bets 100, Hero calls 100 River (400, 2 players) a_punker checks Previous hand was with a very dry flop and i was quite comfortable calling his donkbets, but on this hand board is much more complicated and i really don`t know if we can call/raise here against a frequent donkbettor. What do you think mers, folding here too weak against him ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBa_punker469 SBHero531 Effective Stacks: 16bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, a_punker calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) a_punker bets 80
5th hand of the ST match but I had some data on him:cbets 60%, but barrels turn river 100%, fold to raise preflop only 17%, call 50%, 3bet 33%. Raise button 78%. Way i thought here was: This guy raises big % of the buttons and on this flop my 2nd pair + good kicker/overcard is pretty nuts and now if i now that this guy likes to barrel a ton so i just gonna call him down and let him barrel all his trashrange, rather than shut it down with a raise. Turn and river are extremely good "scarecards" for him to barrel and i dont see any value in raising. What if this hand was against unknown, would you give up the river sometimes assuming our opponent needs pretty big balls, so to say, to fire 3rd bullet if we have called twice ( i think that most players may give up here on the river ) No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero520 SBDichiarato480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Dichiarato raises to 41, Hero calls 21 Flop (82, 2 players) Hero checks, Dichiarato bets 55, Hero calls 55 Turn (192, 2 players) Hero checks, Dichiarato bets 85, Hero calls 85 River (362, 2 players) Hero checks, Dichiarato goes all-in 299, Hero calls 299
16bb deep against someone who likes to lead air, I'm probably raise/calling the 722 with the AJ. As played, I'd call turn as well. Not super strong on this opinion, though - I probably wouldn't have commented on it in a HH review.With the K8, does he vary his c-bet size? If he does, most people will have very little Ax in his flop c-betting range to this size.The turn size is something most people will not use as a pure bluff - if you've said that he's been barreling enough, you should know what type of sizes he's been using and whether he's capable of betting smaller on the turn to set up a river bluff that's a good size.Especially if those two things are true, I like calling down.
would you raise/call with 16bb on 2nd flop aswell ? I´ve seen him making small donkbets with air and here he makes it 3/4 of the pot, this has to be rather strong than weak..right ?
Oops, sorry, I missed that hand. Really close flop spot - I'm definitely continuing to t60, and definitely folding to t100, I think it's probably a fold. I agree that this sizing is stronger/more willing to get it in.
His cBet was low (25%), button open 65%. what do you think about my betsizing ? On river he can`t have anything that makes logic alot right, yet we cant do anything but fold, bc nobode never bluffs here, am i right..another question about missed cbets. Is your standard to bet-bet turn and river, to get them off from A highs or some other showdown value hands whitch refuse to cbet for some reason ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero500 SBTheDean83500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB TheDean83 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, TheDean83 checks Turn (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, TheDean83 calls 40 River (160, 2 players) Hero bets 100, TheDean83 goes all-in 420
A3 makes a lot of sense from this type of player, occasionally 44 or flop trapping hands, but yeah I think you're right that you need reads to call here as most people don't bluff here.Yes, for the most part, against people who don't c-bet a lot of their marginal stuff, bet turn and bet river is often best. Definitely watch for what they do with their middle pair stuff, though, as that stuff is often checking as a plan to call two streets. And it of course depends on board texture.
Whats your options preflop with 22bb here? He has opened most of his buttons so far. shoving vs raising and how much. I 3b to 100, whitch left us 340 on the flop, with pot being 200 ( 1,7 psb ). Dont you think we have to bet/call like most flops with this sizing. Making a bigger 3bet is not that good also imo because they have to be retarded to call huuge 3bets this deep ( go and go ). So maybe smaller 3bet, to set up better stacksizes or 3betshove here ? I feel like even with smaller 3bet (85-90) it`s wrong to bet/fold often on the flop. So what can we do ? shove to prevent shitty postflop situation or just deal with it ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero440 SBIdina560 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Idina raises to 40, Hero raises to 100, Idina calls 60 Flop (200, 2 players) Hero bets 120, Idina goes all-in 460, Hero goes all-in 220
I think jamming is much better than 3-betting absent a dynamic where you think he'll believe you're 3bet bluffing, and can get a hand like A2 to jam over your 3bet which would have folded to a jam. If that's not the case, I think jamming is much better. 3betting to t100 lets a ton of hands correctly come into the pot - mostly suited/unsuited connectors. We dominate some of that stuff, but not nearly as much as if we had a hand like KJ, which is a much better 3bet/calling hand. I just jam here absent the dynamic. If you do 3bet non-allin here, I actually prefer t120 so that you can more comfortably bet/call flops. As it is we have to bet/call here.
if you see unknown random people 3x or 4x-ing instead of MRing in STs, do you loosen your 3betshoving ranges or tighten up ?
It's just really important to hone in as quickly as possible on 3xing opening %, if they're 3xing a healthy %, you jam more obv, but most people's 3xing range is much stronger/willing to get it in. I think in general, every hand I'm jamming 1st hand over a minraise, I'm also jamming over a 3x, every hand I'm 3bet/calling readless vs a minraise I'm 3bet/calling against a 3x, but not too many more. in either case. A4o I would fold first hand against a 3x, for example.
Line check. He has limp/called and folded to cbet, though i have some reads in position that he can be floaty and attack on later streets. He didnt seem to be good player what so ever. On turn we pick up now a gutshot along with our 2 overs, but is there really anything we can do but check/fold?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero530 SBrobbyvikram470 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB robbyvikram calls 10, Hero raises to 60, robbyvikram calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero bets 60, robbyvikram calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) Hero checks, robbyvikram goes all-in 350, Hero folds Final Pot: 590 robbyvikram wins 590 ( won +120 ) Hero lost -120
I prefer 70 pre with AQ with similar logic to 3-betting sizings, we want to give middling stuff worse expectation to come into the pot given that it plays fairly well against our holding. Turn is definitely weird. There are people who I can get a sense of their value betting sizings and decide that they just aren't jamming this turn with big hands but rather making a smaller bet, in which case, his line can make sense for QT/Q9/57ss type hands, and I think we can seriously consider heroing (if we're wrong, oh well, we still have 7 outs). But I'm not sure we should be checking either. Bet/calling does better against his draws, and a lot better against his 4x/3x if we can fold it out. I'm not sure we can readless, but I think I'd bet/call. Close, though.
Villain is a fish. fold to mr 28%, 3b 21%, calls the rest. Ok to bluffshove here. Which conditions should occure to make a fold or a bluffshove ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$350 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero600 BBMetro57400 Effective Stacks: 20bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 10, Metro57 checks Flop (40, 2 players) Metro57 checks, Hero bets 25, Metro57 calls 25 Turn (90, 2 players) Metro57 checks, Hero bets 60, Metro57 calls 60 River (210, 2 players) Metro57 bets 90, Hero goes all-in 495, Metro57 goes all-in 205 Final Pot: 1000 Hero shows Metro57 shows two pair, Aces and Threes Metro57 wins 800 ( won +400 ) Hero lost -400
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