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borell's picture
15$turbo: MPDK vs cbet of agro Villain

 

Villain opens 90% of his buttons / cb 50% / no information about cbeting Turn / River because i folded.

How u play this hand?

Thanks

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players • PokerStars
$14.39+$0.61

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BB hero 802  
SB Barry Max 2198  

Effective Stacks: 27bb

Blinds 15/30

  • Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB
  • sKc8
Barry Max raises to 60, hero calls 30
  • Flop (120, 2 players)
  • d8d5cA
hero checks, Barry Max bets 60, hero raises to 190, Barry Max calls 130
  • Turn (500, 2 players)
  • s5
hero goes all-in 552, Barry Max folds

 

  • Final Pot: 500
 
  • hero wins 1052 ( won +250 )
  • Barry Max lost -250
Dipl.Komp.'s picture
what do you want to

what do you want to accomplish by raising the flop?

what´s your plan if villain calls, raises? what if a third diamond comes on the turn? what´s your plan for that?

borell's picture
Ye u are right this isnt good

Ye u are right this isnt good idea to c/r but there are so many turn`s he can double barell and i should fold, so my first intention was c/r to take chips on the flop and barell any blanks on turn.....

Ellzebub's picture
I actually dont mind a c/rse

I actually dont mind a c/rse here. If villain is only cbetting 50% then this suggests he is likely cbetting a polarized range, meaning that his cbet range on this flop is air heavy, also villain is opening 90% so there are even fewer Ax in his range. Your hand is vulnerable and you are are ahead a large portion of the time otf so I think its best to end it there and then. 

Make a smaller c/rse to fold out air and play your hand as a bluffctacher if called.

EL3MEN7's picture
I like the xr here otf, just

I like the xr here otf, just don't do it when you've got sdv. 

I would like it better if you had a gutter or fd. 

adam25185's picture
Flop c/r is not good. You are

Flop c/r is not good. You are turning middle pair into a bluff, since your c/r surely cannot be for value. Also, you fold out all villain's air which could have double barreled, hence we lose value. On a good turn/river we can even value bet vs a missed turn bet.

Hope this helps.

4 card brett's picture
i like the check raisei

i like the check raise

i think its better than just calling turn and river if more over cards come

i also like the turn jam

i think u played it well

there is a diamond draw on the flop that he could be chasing and your middle pair is vulnerable on later streets if u just check call all the way.

the only time i would be check calling is if villain had a high 2 barrel and 3 barrel betting frequency and so i would just call to pot control v an agro triple barreler

but since we dont know if he double or triple barrels i think a c/r is fine

 

 

Calave's picture
Ok, and what about

Ok, and what about check/calling flop and donking the turn in order to make him fold his air? If he calls in a 9+ turn we can just check/fold the river because all his worse hands are checking behind the river probably. And if the turn comes lower than an 8, maybe we can donk turn and donk/fold the river (worse 8s are now in his range).

It's an strage line, but I just donk like the check/raise in flop and I donk like to call two barrels and fold the river.

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
Ok, and what about

Ok, and what about check/calling flop and donking the turn in order to make him fold his air?

 

why should he fold his air? i´d be happy to get chips from air any day of the week. don´t make it too easy for your opponent to play correctly.

Calave's picture
Hehehe you're right, I wrote

Hehehe you're right, I wrote "air" but I would mean his draws. In both cases, yeah, probably is better not to make him fold them.
So, where is the line for you between fold later streets or call them? I mean, in which turns or rivers are you considering to fold? I'm very interested in this kind of situations.

4 card brett's picture
actually i reread this and v

actually i reread this and v an oppenent who is opening 90% of the time with a min raise we can 3 bet shove here almost 80% of all hands and it be profitable (depending on how often he calls 3 bets) but if he only calls 3 bets less than 20% then we can 3 bet ALOT

that said K8 will play OK v villains opening range but if we cant get some c/r bluffs and semi bluffs and we find ourselves folding to alot of cbets then hero must increase his 3 bet range to take it down more pre flop we could also 3 bet NAI with this, but either way need to know villains call 3 bet and 4 bet %s, but if they are low a shove or 3 bet NAI is better i think