Staring with 1500$ Hyper HUSNG

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Hi to all here on the HUSNG Forum...

As i like to play HU, I would like to start playing Hyper HUSNG. I have a Bankroll of 1500$, and some questions...If you guys could help me answer them.

- Are Hyper HUSNG still worth playing them?
- Where should I start 15$ or 7$?
- Best BR Management for those Games?
- I read some threads about cartels, should I be worried about it?
- Is there still enough action with Hyper HUSNG
- Which Videos to watch?

Thank you and sorry for so many questions...

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Answers in bold. - Are Hyper

Answers in bold.

- Are Hyper HUSNG still worth playing them?

Yes, not as much as 3-4 years ago but still plenty of money to make.

- Where should I start 15$ or 7$?

Depends on your skill level. If you never played these games or haven't played in a long time, I suggest starting on 7s.

- Best BR Management for those Games?

80-100 buy-ins I think it's a good BRM.

- I read some threads about cartels, should I be worried about it?

Sure. Divisions start at 30s and goes all the way up to 1k. You'll probably only face regs if you sit on empty lobbies above 30s.

- Is there still enough action with Hyper HUSNG

On micro and low stakes action is pretty much the same. Maybe 15s the action is not THAT good, especially after midnight Europe time, but still managable if you grind on proper hours. 30s and above action is slowly decreasing year after year. Many 30-100s regs are sitting 15s to get more action.

- Which Videos to watch?

Information is very scarce nowadays. I think lotte lenya's last pack is the most you can get from today's strategies, but not very much info there either. If you are willing to take the grind seriously, I'd strongly recommend joining a stable.

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 Are Hyper HUSNG still worth

 Are Hyper HUSNG still worth playing them?

 

 

Yes, but as i must assume not for you. You will most likely go broke before you even get a notion of what is happening. Everyone you will be facing has got his/her practice in an environment with softer fields and most importantly a lower rake at the midstakes. In the end the jokes will be on you if you dont put a ridiculous amount of time in beforehand. (This time however will not be worth it, because Pokerstars killed SNE. None of the now high-stakes regs would have put the work in in today's environment, keep that in mind)

IF you are really sharp, you can expect to make money after 160 hours of studying at the 15s. Dont play underrolled, 100BI is probably not enough for a "beginner", the oscillations will be too big and you will most likely not be able to 4 table from the get go to smooth that out. You will have 50 buy in downswings just as easily from coolers as you will lose the next 50 buy ins to "bad beats". Additionally to learning the game, you will have to learn that losing anything under 50 buy ins is not even worthy to be considered a downswing and that you should erase the term "bad beats" from your vocabulary. You can easily have months where your Cnet line is exactly a mirror image of the upwards sloping EV line. And nobody will have any pity, you will have to deal with these stretches on your own.

Anything above 15s is politics. Forget it, the gold rush is over, and if you can not make "it to the top" because of external factors, that is always a huge demotivation as far as im concerned.

 

I hope this helps. sorry for the in your face- approach, but I much rather have you feel offended than deal with your whole roll and sanity being lost.

 

 

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WOW and no offense

WOW and no offense take...this is a clear statement and I should really think on what to do...

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See, this is what I do not

See, this is what I do not understand. People keep saying that Hyper HUSNG is dead but why? The only credible reason I can see is that some of the top regs aren't playing poker anymore, some have had to drop down due to competition getting better and some have totally transitioned over to Spins. But then surely all of these factors put together allows for new people to move up and compete for the top spots? Or am i wrong in saying this? Obviously there's the issue with bots but they are in all types of games nowadays

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It happens all the time, it's

It happens all the time, it's happened since I got involved in poker in 2007. There's always negativity from people, and while it's smart to assess things on both sides, the truth is people have made a ton of money from poker every year since I've been around. 2015's top HUSNG players made the same as 2016's, there was no massive drop in profitability or anything like that.

In hindsight, 2012-14 were just incredible years for profit, yet there was so much negativity and naysaying then about how poker is dying. No, it was actually growing in profit then.

Even historically where games have actually died, action and profit has just moved to other games. Keep an open mind about what games you're playing, but mostly just focus on being a better decision maker at the tables and you'll be just fine. The worst thing you can do is get lazy, the 2nd worse thing you can do continuously do the same thing just because it worked at some point. Have defendable reasons for your actions at the table and always challenge yourself to improve those actions.

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What you are saying marries

What you are saying marries up to what I have experienced and looked at, sure the top regs of today aren't making as much as the regs of a few years but they are still making good money, such as adamc and his brother. In all honesty though what would you recommend to someone nowadays as all of the focus seems to be on Spins and there's hardly any information or learning material for Hypers today

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I'd honestly start with

I'd honestly start with hypers personally, and then either branch into Spins with a better understanding of how to play HU or continue on playing HU (or both). MTTs and PLO would be two other games I would recommend to newer players. I think the playerbase in all four games is large and the potential profit in each game is large.

I think a lot of the HU content is still relevant, you can see even in plenty Mersenneary videos from 2011 that it's applicable to today. A lot of his free ebook is still applicable. Same with Coffeeyay's stuff and many others. The difference is that they teach you how to learn rather than advocating for a "you should open about 75% in today's games." They teach you how to study your database, your opponent's tendencies, how to adjust based on what you see, what strategies to consider. A lot of it is really timeless and opens up a larger world in your studying. Lotte Lenya's recent pack is also really solid HU material.

But there's this notion in the poker world that any information 1+ years old becomes outdated, and that's because so many videos, books and forum posts are all about the present term. Another reason is because people just were straight up awful for years. Major fundamental mistakes at the very highest stakes in 2007-2009 for example if you look back at the HU forum. This disappeared quite a bit around 2011, when a lot of fact-driven approaches started becoming popular.

In any case, we also have plenty of outdated content in the video library due to the "here's what's best today" type of coaching that I talk about above. A lot of "here's what's good today" is no longer found on this site, so there are less shortcuts, but there's a great deal of "here's how you find the answer today or in 6 months or in 6 years" and that's more valuable long term. Stables such as our husng.com staking program are more suited to constantly updated ranges to consider and study, as coaches can put a great deal of effort into population tendencies and coaching that we'd have to charge thousands of dollars for each month if we sold it on this site publicly.

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Again everything you say

Again everything you say makes sense and can relate to what I have found. It seems to me that the action at Hypers has quietly been growing again due to the action at Spins. Look at Sharkscope, some people that have binked a big multiplier then go diving into Hypers. Or recs that soon cotton onto the swings of Spins they then go playing Hypers. Some of the regs have already profited just as much or equal to what some of the regs had last year