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Mattraq1: Using Non-Standard Lines Against Turbo Regulars

In his first video series, $200-300 turbo regular Mattraq1, here playing $100 turbo HUSNGs, shows how to confuse regs into committing mistakes through the use of non-standard gameplans, including tactics such as donk leads. This is the first installment in a five-part series.

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Hey, just wanted to welcome

Hey,
just wanted to welcome you to the team. Congrats on the first series.
 
The first minute or so sounded a bit scripted, but overall I thought it was an interesting concept.  the kj hand when he had k3 was a bit interesting, but shoving looks weaker ( and more like a draw) vs a reg more so than a click back. I feel many regs, including myself would fold k3 in that spot.
 
Good video. 
 
 
 
- Paul

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Thanks

Thanks a lot.  I wasnt sure the reception i would get being my first vid and all.
Unfortunately your spot on about the intro.  After several takes of me rambling mid way through, i realized why most media people go the way of the teleprompter :-p  Hopefully i get better as i make more videos.
As far as the K3/KJ hand, this is the type of spot where regs make huge mistakes.  In the commentary i said while shoving over his click back was definitely the standard, i also take these click/backy lines occasionally with my draws/strong 2nd pair type hands im willing to GII with.  It really makes me glad to hear you say  "I feel many regs, including myself would fold k3 in that spot."  If im getting regs to fold near the top of thier range with my draws/weaker value hands after they put almost half thier stack in, i continue to get the value from the draws when im ahead, with the added potential that they may fold thier value range when im behind.  Against a player willing to fold K3 after this action, i have created a massively non central +ev spot.

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I agree, as long as they

I agree, as long as they  aren't pot committed at that point it could work out for you. On the flip side, but not shoving all in with draws, you don't maximize your fold equity and in return might find yourself in a bunch of difficult spots on later streets. As long as you keep it really balanced it should work. 
you'll get the hang of the whole talking on the fly thing... Takes some time.
 
 
 
-Paul

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"but not shoving all in with

"but not shoving all in with draws, you don't maximize your fold equity."  In your last post u said u were folding K3 to a click back but not a shove right?  Based on your analysis in the previous post, vs a villian such as yourself, wouldnt a clickback in fact MAXIMIZE fold equity?  Im not saying in reality this is true, i am simply restating tendencies that you said to be likely.
"might find yourself in a bunch of difficult spots on later streets."  I have to respectfully disagree.  After clicking back the flop there is no turn card that could come that would put me in a difficult spot on the turn.  It is getting put in.  Anything other than jamming the turn would be a massive leak.

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K7o

First hand, you min raise, he 3 bets and you fold.
 
Why?

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First hand of a session vs a

First hand of a session vs a player i generally dont want to be defending too wide of a range vs 3bets (i believe defending K7o vs an unknown/readless is WAY too wide).  We dont know if his range is ATC or solely AA.  If we defend, we have to continue on a number of boards with no reads.  Id rather fold here and use it to help establish his 3betting frequency earlie for 40 chips than risk 250+ readless.

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villain bets 220 I think at

villain bets 220 I think at about 5minutes in. What sort of bet range size would you not think he was full of shit?
 
On the River with 4 flush cards, if the villain bets 20 chips would you fold? How much would you fold to?

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Good question. In the K9 hand

Good question.
In the K9 hand it isnt that i think his entire range is FOS here.  I just think that is a big part of his range.  I also believe a flush draw is another big part of his range.  You can even give him a 9 a tiny frequency of the time.  If he has a naked ace in his range i think that is the smallest part of his range because by lead/3betting here, he has set himself up for some extremely awkward turn situations.  I would be flatting my entire range that continues to his flop 3b here. (except most likely my draws with ~50% equity)  Most people with monsters here, or even a draw, would size thier 3b much larger to give the possibility to feasibly get stacks in later in the hand.  I would think a raise of 280 was much less likely FOS, but i would also think it was even less likely a weak ace.  I would change my range more towards draws, pair/fd, and monsters, with a few less random FOS.  
For the second question, as played it wouldnt take much to get me off my hand on that runout.  Maybe something like 1/3 to 1/4 pot.  With a few river bluff/raises mixed in to balance with the times i back into the nuts.  I think a lot of his FOS range on the turn can pick up flush draws and that bet of 1/4 to 1/3 pot on the river a lot of times is exactly what it looks like, a value bet from a weak flush.  
Again as i said in the video i think i made a pretty big mistake not betting the turn because it turns my hand somewhat face up to a weak pair type hand and eliminates almost all of my monsters (except maybe a few combos of AK AQ with backdoor FD. Even then i like a bet), while allowing him the opportunity to bluff me on a river like the one in the video.
Keep in mind these reads are based on my general assessment of how regs in general play.  Prior to accumulating reads you need to have some sort of base gameplan/idea of how the regs play at your stake.
Had this villian been a fish, the hand/reads would have been much different.
I hope this was helpful.

PridetoBe's picture
Hi,  FOS range means "Full Of

Hi,
 FOS range means "Full Of S**t" range?
What means " ATC range"?
"After clicking back the flop there is no turn card that could come that would put me in a difficult spot on the turn.  It is getting put in.  Anything other than jamming the turn would be a massive leak."
When the fush hit the turn also bc of money already invested and that Villain reason to call
the action on the flop isn´t only for going flush, maybe 1/3 to 1/4 of his range, and to play your foldeq. right? So this together makes this to max. ev line on the turn,  for most villains? How do you adjust to Players who choose this turn Jam lines?


RyPac13's picture
ATC means any two cards.

ATC means any two cards.

Mattraq1's picture
Yea spot on about FOS, and

Yea spot on about FOS, and ATC is "any two cards" as stated above.
As far as your first question, are you asking about being pot committed after clicking it back if he flats even when a scare card comes?  If that is the case then yea, thats what i mean by there is no turn card that hits his range hard enough for me to ever do anything but jam the turn.  Including flush cards, and pairing the 2nd card etc.
im not sure i understand the second question.  If i click it back with a draw, and they jam, im still priced in to call.  Im more likely to do that with bigger FDs just in case he spazzes with the str8 draw as well as that means i even have the best hand a SMALL percentage of the time, rather than doing it with a small flush draw and him scooping with a like T high for a missed str8 draw.