Very good video!

5* video.

Is bodog a good site for hu sngs?  do they fill up, and is the software somewhat decent?

I'm playing the 20$'s there, and yes, they fill up quite fast. The maximum amount I had to wait was like 1-2m.
I like the software, the only problem is the hh recording.
And bodog is very fishy with reload bonus and good rakeback, so i think that for small-midstakes players is a very good option.
(srry to derail)

The 8d 5d hand on the Td 4d 2c board you c-bet 65 then fold to a raise of 180.. so it's 115 more to call for a pot of 480? Why did you fold here?

I always flat call this (was it because of the stacks sizes/implied odds?) > is this a leak?

My plan is to shove over a bet on a diamond turn plus there's backdoor straight possibilities we could flat a smaller turn bet with, not to mention the 5 or 8?

edit: this is from ooh a donuts! perspective..

Hi there,

I folded because of the stack sizes indeed, If I had pair+fd or overcards+fd, i'll def 3bet/call or instant shove.  ut I found this spot kind of meh, I prefered to fold here cuz I was going to luckbox after obv.

I just looked up this hand. I think that folding the flush draw to a raise on that board is a huge mistake.

Call > Raise >>>>>>>>>>>Fold.

If you put me on a strong range like TX then your implied odds are good enough to be calling here. If you put me on a mixture of strong hands and bluffs then you still have really good implied odds and possibly even good enough direct odds to peel a card. Folding to a raise is way too weak.

Thanks both for your replies..

Yeah, i was sat watching both videos and what I tend to do is ask myself if I would make the same move as the player/coach playing before they go and when this hand came up it just insta shocked me that you folded.

You say you folded because of the stack sizes, so my next question would be; so what would the effective stacks need to for you to make this call 30 BB - 35BB - 40BB? And an additional question, maybe to xSCWx would be; is this ever a fold? > in relation to the stack sizes at least? I mean at 15 BB for example, say "hero" puts you on T-x min, does he ever get credit for folding to the C/R or would it just be a shove at this stage even though we'd have less FE; but it being the optimal play because of the dead money in the pot?

Cheers, Zak (",)

The only situation that really comes to mind where I'm folding flush draws is if I cbet and my opponent overshoves. In this case I am getting very poor odds (worse than what I need to call) and there are no implied odds because we will be all-in. If I think that we are too deep to be able to get all-in with a flush draw then I will opt to flat call rather than raise, but there aren't many spots where I am just flat out folding it.

Thanks Ryan - legend =)

Very nice vid xSCWx! Two questions though:

1. At 1:26 you call a second barrel mit KJo on a Ad Jh 3c 9c board. What was your reasoning behind this? Imo Villain is clearly representing the A so you can't really hope he'll check the river. Also your checkcalling flop and turn looks a lot like you have the J so even if he is bluffing he will often fire a third barrel to get you off the hand. Since you didn't intend to call a third barrel that early in the match, why calling the turn and not waiting for better spots? You say he was pretty aggressive to this point but this was only the second hand with postflop play (the one before he folded to your c-bet) and his preflop play was rather standard imo (folding most BB, 3betting one, raising most Buttons, folding one).

2. At 22:19 you minraise K4o 14,5BB deep and fold to a shove. This is a spot in which I find myself over and over again...K4o is listed with 13,1 at Nash, so shoving isn't good, K4o is definitely too strong to fold and limping looks weak too. Will the average Villain (or this particular one) fold often enough in that spot to make our minraises with those "borderline hands" slightly outside Nash profitable despite the fact we have to fold to a shove and lose 14% of our stack?

Thanx a lot!

Martin

hi again, thanks Ryan for that free lesson :).

As I told some of my people (and also SCW) I have some problems regarding the stack size play. I really find myself in troubles with 25/30bbs etc.

SCW also noticed that. I'm gonna try to work on this.

And yeah, folding was awful, I guess :D

Martin,

1. I think that a lot of people will fire a second barrel but not a third with air here. From their perspective, a second barrel will push out hands like KQ KT 3X and possibly JX. Secondly, some people will fire a second barrel here with hands like KJ and QJ because with a good kicker they are still beating the vast majority of my range. I think that often when he fires a second barrel into me on the turn I can be ahead, but much less often when he fires a third.

2. This is going to be very villain dependent. To be honest, I'm really not sure what is optimal against the "average" opponent here. If we haven't played many hands <20BB deep then I base my decision off of how they have played throughout the match. If they have been super aggressive then I assume they will be super aggressive at this level as well. If they have played passively then I don't expect them to shove over my raise very often. This is the only information we have available to work with, so we have to make due.

Thanx a lot for the response :-)

2. If they are super aggressive, would you limp or fold hands like K4o-K2o or Q3s 14BB deep? Is it a big mistake to shove slightly outside NASH?

It really depends on the metagame. Against someone super aggressive my first limp is ALWAYS limp/call. They will damn near always shove over it so I never limp/fold unless I have reason to believe that they might slow down. I wouldn't limp/call a hand like K2o because it is barely above 50% against a random hand. I would min-r/fold against someone aggressive that has made a lot of shoves recently (I expect them to slow down after shoving several times in a row) or min-r/call against someone super aggressive. I'm not open folding KX ever from the button.

Shoving slightly wider than NASH is optimal against someone who is calling a tight range. NASH should really only be a guideline for endgame.

Just watched this video and it is very good!

I especially liked the play at 5:05 where xSCWx calls a 3-bet because the stack sizes will be set-up awkard for Ooh A Donut as he has 2x pot left on the flop, which makes a shove over his c-bet very profitable when he hits the flop (he hits mid pair). This is also done at 19:20 where he hits a naked flush draw on the flop. Great eye opener!