5:30 - This is a great c/r spot, infact it's better than the Q5o hand (you could have donk bet and barreled but c/r and barrel is also fine). c/c'ing this flop sucks because we have no showdown value, and we rep more value hands with a c/r as that's waht we'd do with 22/77, J7/J2s and all J8+. You say we're playing our range which is true, but then you say that our range has flush draws, 7x, etc...why do we want a weak range when we have a weak hand too? IMO w/ 4 clean outs and no SDV but TONS of FE, a c/r is far better than c/c here.

Then you start talking about how we can try to rep flushes and everything, which is really pointless vs someone you described as a pretty big fish. He doesn't care what you have, he's just looking at his cards and thinking 'are a pair of 7's good enough to call?', not about your range.

NOW you're talking about bluffing a river if a jack hits. That would be terrible because people do not fold on paired boards (and often rightly so). If you think you can make a random fold 7x on J726J when flush and straight draws miss, you sir are dreaming.

14:06 - You need to get called ~4x more here betting 200 than shoving to make it more +EV to bet 200 than to shove, and IMO you do. If he has a strong hand he wants to get the money in with he will b/c or shove river himself, so when he checks to you I think he can never call a shove, so to maximise, anything that ever gets a call is more +EV than shoving (IMO betting t20 and getting called by ATC looking for info is more +EV than shoving), so I'd bet something like 210.

14:30 - 74o isn't that good to 3bet bluff, 74s is a lot better, or a hand like J3s.

18:10 - I actually think a raise here is good, and the sizing is good. On this board it's difficult for him to have a queen as some 3bet pre, and in my experience everyone and their mother checks strong hands on the flop because they want to c/r, leaving them with very weak/unbalanced donking ranges. Good raise I think.

20:46 - As standard I would cbet smaller here with my entire range, t45 ot t50, for the same reasons you mentioned w/ AJ on the Q22 flop in a 3bet pot earlier. What are your thoughts on that?

(For this specific hand I would just half pot it because we have a valuehand, but in general in this spot I think making it smaller is better)

22:30 - Yes a lot of villains good hearts would bet the turn, but so would yours. I also don't think villain limps many Ax/Kx hands, and I don't think villain ever folds any heart, and will often look you up with weak pairs because your range is pretty weak and you cant have any pairs that are betting for value, and you're not valuebetting weak hearts, and you don't have many strong ones in your range.

23:07 - You should cbet bigger here, it may sound exploitable but vs fish they really don't care, and this is a board where fish either continue with made hands and draws to any size, and fold air to any size, so we might as well maximise vs all the Qx, Tx, Ax (he should 3b shove pre but he's prob not good enough), Jx, 9x, pair+draw etc. Sometimes we get owned by Kx but compare that to all the other hands and factor in card removal and betting t80 here is a lot better IMO, and allows us to set up stacks for a river shove even better.

I agree with smaller cbets, about 40% though. Oh, and 40/120 isn't a quarter lolol.

25:00 - I'm confused as to why you go on about how strong his range is, but you call drawing to 1 clean out (9 of diamonds might not be good). Even if it is a minraise, if you think his range is Jx, 8dXd, T9, and gutshot+flush draws, this is such an ez fold because you're well behind in equity, and you don't get to realise the ~40% equity you have because you will be folding to a turn bet on 95.744% of turns, and one of your outs might not even be clean.

27:25 - Dont like your logic here. Everyone plays straight forward on these flops, and you almost never have to worry about getting check-raised as a bluff vs anyone. This hand is much better to check back then check down/fold to bets on non ace or jack turns. If we were deeper cbetting then barreling would be good, but we're not deep enough to do this.

I don't like the turn call with intentions of bluffing rivers, that's just allowing him to see a river for 50 chips, and then bluffing YOU off if he misses. As you said his range is weak so shove here, if he doesn't understand pot odds and calls a jack you can ship it with the ace high, and he will always be folding his pairs OTT.

'Maybe he's only polarised to draws'...lolwat?

30:00 - 73s isn't the best hand ever to limp, I'd much rather do it with a hand we want to realise equity with like T9s, when we're scared of getting 3bet shoved on (with this guy we're not). I'd raise/fold or openfold, but I don't hate the limp, but to be +EV with this hand we need to FE of raising pre I think.

GL w/ the videos.

yup yup i agree with almost everything that "loldonkaments" said.

mostly with hands at 22:30 and 27:25.

Also, i think you should open wider when shallow, especially against a guy who doesnt reshove a lot and is poor postflop.

5:30 - This is a great c/r spot, infact it's better than the Q5o hand (you could have donk bet and barreled but c/r and barrel is also fine). c/c'ing this flop sucks because we have no showdown value, and we rep more value hands with a c/r as that's waht we'd do with 22/77, J7/J2s and all J8+. You say we're playing our range which is true, but then you say that our range has flush draws, 7x, etc...why do we want a weak range when we have a weak hand too? IMO w/ 4 clean outs and no SDV but TONS of FE, a c/r is far better than c/c here.

w/o history against a fishier player, i'm c/c this flop as well. a large % of hands that we fold out w/ a c/r on the flop will be checking back the turn, allowing us to realize our equity along with giving us the capability of bluff leading the river. a full pot cbet from the fishy villain makes me want to c/r this flop even less. 

Then you start talking about how we can try to rep flushes and everything, which is really pointless vs someone you described as a pretty big fish. He doesn't care what you have, he's just looking at his cards and thinking 'are a pair of 7's good enough to call?', not about your range.

NOW you're talking about bluffing a river if a jack hits. That would be terrible because people do not fold on paired boards (and often rightly so). If you think you can make a random fold 7x on J726J when flush and straight draws miss, you sir are dreaming.

14:06 - You need to get called ~4x more here betting 200 than shoving to make it more +EV to bet 200 than to shove, and IMO you do. If he has a strong hand he wants to get the money in with he will b/c or shove river himself, so when he checks to you I think he can never call a shove, so to maximise, anything that ever gets a call is more +EV than shoving (IMO betting t20 and getting called by ATC looking for info is more +EV than shoving), so I'd bet something like 210.

what hand does the villain have here that would be willing to call 200 but not 800 4x as often? villain's range is obviously heavily weighted toward air with the full pot donk flop donk turn and three kings already accounted for, but his value hands include a weirdly played 8x, less 5x, and a rivered Q (granted very small % of time since not much Qx makes sense and he'd be leading the river often) like smallpears stated. the rest of his range is snap folding anyway. 

you stated one paragraph ago (in typical dick-ish fashion) that smallpears is dreaming if a fish will ever fold second pair on a paired board when draws miss. wouldn't it make sense to shove this river then?

betting 20 chips is horrible. 

14:30 - 74o isn't that good to 3bet bluff, 74s is a lot better, or a hand like J3s.

as smallpears mentioned, if an opponent is opening wide enough and folding to 3bets often enough, you can 3bet bluff any hand. of course 74s is better, but smallpears wasn't making that point. 

18:10 - I actually think a raise here is good, and the sizing is good. On this board it's difficult for him to have a queen as some 3bet pre, and in my experience everyone and their mother checks strong hands on the flop because they want to c/r, leaving them with very weak/unbalanced donking ranges. Good raise I think.

against a tilted fishy opponent, i think shoving is better as a bluff than raising small. you're giving him the opportunity to tilt shove anything over your raise, considering the small raise on that board looks quite bluffy also. 

20:46 - As standard I would cbet smaller here with my entire range, t45 ot t50, for the same reasons you mentioned w/ AJ on the Q22 flop in a 3bet pot earlier. What are your thoughts on that?

(For this specific hand I would just half pot it because we have a valuehand, but in general in this spot I think making it smaller is better)

22:30 - Yes a lot of villains good hearts would bet the turn, but so would yours. I also don't think villain limps many Ax/Kx hands, and I don't think villain ever folds any heart, and will often look you up with weak pairs because your range is pretty weak and you cant have any pairs that are betting for value, and you're not valuebetting weak hearts, and you don't have many strong ones in your range.

bet of 30 into 60 works just as often as 45 on the river. 

23:07 - You should cbet bigger here, it may sound exploitable but vs fish they really don't care, and this is a board where fish either continue with made hands and draws to any size, and fold air to any size, so we might as well maximise vs all the Qx, Tx, Ax (he should 3b shove pre but he's prob not good enough), Jx, 9x, pair+draw etc. Sometimes we get owned by Kx but compare that to all the other hands and factor in card removal and betting t80 here is a lot better IMO, and allows us to set up stacks for a river shove even better.

agree with larger cbet here against a player who isn't looking at bet sizing. 

I agree with smaller cbets, about 40% though. Oh, and 40/120 isn't a quarter lolol.

25:00 - I'm confused as to why you go on about how strong his range is, but you call drawing to 1 clean out (9 of diamonds might not be good). Even if it is a minraise, if you think his range is Jx, 8dXd, T9, and gutshot+flush draws, this is such an ez fold because you're well behind in equity, and you don't get to realise the ~40% equity you have because you will be folding to a turn bet on 95.744% of turns, and one of your outs might not even be clean.

although a min c/r here indicates Jx a lot from this villain imo, folding the flop getting 6:1 against a guy who has shown the willingness to spew can't be good. i think i'm flatting/evaluating turns based on cards/betsizing

27:25 - Dont like your logic here. Everyone plays straight forward on these flops, and you almost never have to worry about getting check-raised as a bluff vs anyone. This hand is much better to check back then check down/fold to bets on non ace or jack turns. If we were deeper cbetting then barreling would be good, but we're not deep enough to do this.

I don't like the turn call with intentions of bluffing rivers, that's just allowing him to see a river for 50 chips, and then bluffing YOU off if he misses. As you said his range is weak so shove here, if he doesn't understand pot odds and calls a jack you can ship it with the ace high, and he will always be folding his pairs OTT.

i don't like your logic here. if this fish is playing straight forward on this flop, then most likely he'll be playing straight forward on turns/rivers oop. this'll allow smallpears to let go of his ace high to river bets fairly easily. i think it's ambitious to say villain will fold 8x/Tx to a turn shove after we've checked the flop. if he's leading the turn with a pair, even for 50 chips, it's for value. the 2x shouldn't change anything, and this shallow, i see villain calling a shove w those hands. A9o is too strong on this turn to shove, esp when we have ~22-23% equity against his entire range (all 97o-ish hands included) when he calls.

'Maybe he's only polarised to draws'...lolwat? it means maybe he only has draws when he bets 50 on the turn 

30:00 - 73s isn't the best hand ever to limp, I'd much rather do it with a hand we want to realise equity with like T9s, when we're scared of getting 3bet shoved on (with this guy we're not). I'd raise/fold or openfold, but I don't hate the limp, but to be +EV with this hand we need to FE of raising pre I think.

GL w/ the videos.

5:30 - This is a great c/r spot, infact it's better than the Q5o hand (you could have donk bet and barreled but c/r and barrel is also fine). c/c'ing this flop sucks because we have no showdown value, and we rep more value hands with a c/r as that's waht we'd do with 22/77, J7/J2s and all J8+. You say we're playing our range which is true, but then you say that our range has flush draws, 7x, etc...why do we want a weak range when we have a weak hand too? IMO w/ 4 clean outs and no SDV but TONS of FE, a c/r is far better than c/c here.

Yah i think check raising is optimal vs a player who opens wide and cbets wide, and give up ez to check raises. However this was at 5:30 and the only info we hade suggested this player had very nitty pfr and cbet fequencies. so to say that cr is FAR better than c/c is not correct imo.

Then you start talking about how we can try to rep flushes and everything, which is really pointless vs someone you described as a pretty big fish. He doesn't care what you have, he's just looking at his cards and thinking 'are a pair of 7's good enough to call?', not about your range.

Fish are well aware of a flopped FD coming in on the river, and they are terrified of it.

NOW you're talking about bluffing a river if a jack hits. That would be terrible because people do not fold on paired boards (and often rightly so). If you think you can make a random fold 7x on J726J when flush and straight draws miss, you sir are dreaming.

OK so first off, I never said " I can fold out 7x if the river is a J" So i woud appreciate it if you didnt take my words out of context in attempts to discredit my thought process.  I was simply stating that Jx was a very small part of his range which means if Jx falls on the river, i will try to bluff out some missed draws, 2x, 6x  that is ahead me.

14:06 - You need to get called ~4x more here betting 200 than shoving to make it more +EV to bet 200 than to shove, and IMO you do. If he has a strong hand he wants to get the money in with he will b/c or shove river himself, so when he checks to you I think he can never call a shove, so to maximise, anything that ever gets a call is more +EV than shoving (IMO betting t20 and getting called by ATC looking for info is more +EV than shoving), so I'd bet something like 210.

This means that 80% of his ENTIRE range must be calling 210 but folding to a shove. I dont think this is the case in this situation, do you?    

14:30 - 74o isn't that good to 3bet bluff, 74s is a lot better, or a hand like J3s.

O really???? 47s is better than 47o? thanks

18:10 - I actually think a raise here is good, and the sizing is good. On this board it's difficult for him to have a queen as some 3bet pre, and in my experience everyone and their mother checks strong hands on the flop because they want to c/r, leaving them with very weak/unbalanced donking ranges. Good raise I think.

20:46 - As standard I would cbet smaller here with my entire range, t45 ot t50, for the same reasons you mentioned w/ AJ on the Q22 flop in a 3bet pot earlier. What are your thoughts on that?

I try to keep my cbet size 1/2 pot, except in the case of most 3bet pots, as the pot will be plenty built to get stacks in. I dont like to decrease my cbet size untill i get under 20bb's eff stax. For the same reasons

(For this specific hand I would just half pot it because we have a valuehand, but in general in this spot I think making it smaller is better)

22:30 - Yes a lot of villains good hearts would bet the turn, but so would yours. I also don't think villain limps many Ax/Kx hands, and I don't think villain ever folds any heart, and will often look you up with weak pairs because your range is pretty weak and you cant have any pairs that are betting for value, and you're not valuebetting weak hearts, and you don't have many strong ones in your range.

I think c/f and betting are very close in EV

23:07 - You should cbet bigger here, it may sound exploitable but vs fish they really don't care, and this is a board where fish either continue with made hands and draws to any size, and fold air to any size, so we might as well maximise vs all the Qx, Tx, Ax (he should 3b shove pre but he's prob not good enough), Jx, 9x, pair+draw etc. Sometimes we get owned by Kx but compare that to all the other hands and factor in card removal and betting t80 here is a lot better IMO, and allows us to set up stacks for a river shove even better.

Im not a big fan of changing my sizings in the middle of a match, but im not completly against it.

I agree with smaller cbets, about 40% though. Oh, and 40/120 isn't a quarter lolol.

I guess that would be 1/3 pot thanks for pointing that out

25:00 - I'm confused as to why you go on about how strong his range is, but you call drawing to 1 clean out (9 of diamonds might not be good). Even if it is a minraise, if you think his range is Jx, 8dXd, T9, and gutshot+flush draws, this is such an ez fold because you're well behind in equity, and you don't get to realise the ~40% equity you have because you will be folding to a turn bet on 95.744% of turns, and one of your outs might not even be clean.

His range is strong but im actually ahead of alot of it, FD+over, striaght draw, Pair + FD. I am currently ahead of some of these hands. Folding when we are getting 6 to 1 and should be ahead about 40% of the time is a mistake IMO.  Are you really suggesting folding this flop?

27:25 - Dont like your logic here. Everyone plays straight forward on these flops, and you almost never have to worry about getting check-raised as a bluff vs anyone. This hand is much better to check back then check down/fold to bets on non ace or jack turns. If we were deeper cbetting then barreling would be good, but we're not deep enough to do this.

I agree that people almost never CR bluff this flop, I think cbetting and checking are very close in EV

I don't like the turn call with intentions of bluffing rivers, that's just allowing him to see a river for 50 chips, and then bluffing YOU off if he misses. As you said his range is weak so shove here, if he doesn't understand pot odds and calls a jack you can ship it with the ace high, and he will always be folding his pairs OTT.

Dont mind shoving this turn although hes bad enough to check all his air, weak pairs, missed draws on the river, The way he has played so far, i dont think we need to worry about him bluffing us on the river. 

'Maybe he's only polarised to draws'...lolwat?

Means that he may only have "draws" in this spot, and no "made hands"

30:00 - 73s isn't the best hand ever to limp, I'd much rather do it with a hand we want to realise equity with like T9s, when we're scared of getting 3bet shoved on (with this guy we're not). I'd raise/fold or openfold, but I don't hate the limp, but to be +EV with this hand we need to FE of raising pre I think.

Ya its actually a hand i usually just fold this short but this guy seems so passive that i could get away with stealing the flop when he misees 60% of the time

GL w/ the videos.

GL w/ the comments

HOLY WALL OF TEXT BATMAN!

ya, probably should have video blogged the comments. my mistake. 

I would suggest taking a better approach to the critiques of your work.  If you're willing to put yourself out there, you need to be able to handle some criticism - and do so objectively.  This is embarrassing to fellow coaches imo.

now I HAVE to watch this video...sigh

students are definitely allowed to question our thought process. the site members definitely are not expected to act professionally either - that's our job.

it was a good video and interesting debate. i'd just leave it at that.

looking forward to your next video. 

How come youre a coach on HUSNG.com if your SS isnt that awesome? and why would you ever fold instead or raise any two suited cards from the SB 75bbs deep? Seems like an EZ raise imo

"This is embarrassing to fellow coaches imo."

i don't think it's THAT big of a deal :) come on

SmallPears what are your screennames on Stars/FTP, and any other sites you've played?

This means that 80% of his ENTIRE range must be calling 210 but folding to a shove. I dont think this is the case in this situation, do you?    

I thought in this spot, if say 1% of his range calls a shove, but 4x as much (not sure on the exact stacks so we will assume a shove is 4x as much as betting 200), but 4.1% of his range calls 200, than 200 is the most +EV option, not 80% of his entire range.

Means that he may only have "draws" in this spot, and no "made hands"

Do you actually understand what polarised means?

he means "weighted to draws"

/thread. 

Here are his stats. Sorry, they were supposed to be on his coaching page yesterday, but the sizing was too large and I didn't get a chance to resize the images until today.

^ Bodog

^ Merge

^ Stars

Nice graphs, welcome to husng.com, try to ignore the troll posts, but keep an open mind about constructive criticism. I look forward to more Merge videos!

Ty dhcg. I will watch my tongue in the future, i got emotional about it cuz i felt like he was slandering me a bit.

I would like to apologise for my post as well, the post in general was fine, but some of the things I said and the intentions of the post were not.

i apologize too. 

i was so out of line.

peace ! 

glad to see the other graphs :)

this is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO important ... IMO