Rumnchess > Mersenneary - Round Two

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In his opening video, Rumnchess two tables against Mersenneary.  He talks about how he makes adjustments to Mersenneary's style and focuses on a variety of topics from bet sizing to end game play.  Be sure to also check out last year's Round One from Mersenneary's vantage point.

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mersenneary says:

I'm going to do a "What went wrong" (a la my video with Sargon) commentary on this vid, but I want to leave it open for discussion first. Think from my perspective (not knowing rum's cards). How did I get so owned? What adjustments should I be making? Pay particular attention to rum's barreling frequencies and how I should be responding to those (hint: call more double barrels isn't always the whole answer). Come up with what you think and then we'll talk about them.

 

ggs rum!

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xSCWx says:

Did you have the jungle background? If not, I think that might be what went wrong.

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nicoasp says:

Oh man, this looks like it's gonna be awesome. Haven't watched it yet, but certainly hyped.

Welcome Rumn.

 

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Nomboo says:

Very nice video, I would love to see you play against random opponents.

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DeuceHigh says:

not trying to be a nit/jerk, but honestly i couldn't watch the video till the end because of the cough directly into the mic. Cough is so loud compared to the sound of your voice that i always jumped on my chair. I know its obv not your fault though, and i liked the way you expose your thought process a lot, so i would love to see more videos from you in the future when you get better!

 

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Q says:

Great vid. I found it strange mers didnt try to CR flop or turn with air or A high for value. Looks very ownish indeed. Sometimes one could get a feeling that playing against regs is simpler than random fish cause you can so rarely put them on adequate range or find reasoning behind their actions and sizings.. although i guess its a mischieving feeling.

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mersenneary says:

That's weird that you came to that conclusion Q: I c/r a lot of flops in this vid as rumnchess mentioned during it. We only got to one or two showdowns where I had air/Ax but it was also obvious after giving up in some spots that that's indeed what I had (and others in which I won the pot as well).

 

You're right though that I could have bluffraised more turns, c/c less Kx on the flop, c/c more trapping hands, and called more double barrels. Just goes to show what a big difference there is playing a reg who c-bets and gives up vs one who does a great job looking for spots to take away the pot against someone with a fold button and a capped range.

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Q says:

I think CC with KX is only going to work against specific type of "single barrel /CF mode if called" players.. Which is first of all hard to figure, cause I think most belong to fire several barrels /Check if got SD value camp which is disaster for KX call plan. I am mentioning paired boards, I think I didnt see many CRs on them, I saw some crs on other boards like J45 IIRC where its fairly hard to put you on a range too. 

Paired boards are interesting , I think if one can guess opponent idea of playing them they could be huge +EV with hands without any SD value for exploiting opponent.

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punisherrr says:

32:20 you ch-raised w/ K10 and mers called w/ OE, and again called big barell on turn, can you say something about this hand from his perspestive? his barell call was correct?

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Hehasrisen says:

That hand at 32:20 caught me eye too. Didn't think he was getting odds to call on turn. Mers, are you assuming he's almost always firing river (with bluffs and value) and you get your stack in when you hit you're straight? Gotta assume he doesn't turn a flush draw that often and that you have 6 outs instead of 4. But even then you only have 660 left on the river so the implied odds aren't even good enough.

 

Just curious, maybe I'm doing the math wrong or missing something.

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mersenneary says:

It's definitely a very marginal call. We're 18% to hit our straight or so and we need 26% equity to call if there were no river round of betting. If we hit we also get the rest a lot of the time, which helps. Sometimes when we miss he checks to us after double barreling with air and given his turn betsizing I think his river checking range is rather weak, so I get to jam there and get a fold a decent bit. There's also the times we hit a pair and it's good against his double barreling air range that shuts down. Naturally, there's the times our straight runs up against a rivered flush, too. Given all that I think it's an extremely marginal but defensible call, I'm folding to 350+ betsizings and don't mind the argument that I should fold to this one too. That's no fun, though!

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Hehasrisen says:

My Bad, I meant 8 outs instead of 6!... You're right though, folding is never fun!!

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Brilliant27 says:

Enjoyed the video

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Q says:

hm I actually only watched 60% of video first time, and in the second part I think rumn made some odd plays.. AJ call on river was very little explained "im clicking call" ? I think its a fold against most opponents without reads about their overbets. Also super quick raise -call K9o while before we raise fold A5o.. and K9 is so behind A5o when we are considering raise call. Maybe it was oK but call took like 1/2 second and seemed a bit emotinonal to me. Also that 3 barrel allin when mers rivered a straight, explanation wasnt very good, you just say that you feel you have to go allin, but I think its rarely a +EV shove on river against good opponent. Basicly river decisions are most costly, and here a pair of big decisions (that I mentioned) were not explained at all basicly. 

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qetou says:

That was a funny video. Def not a style you want to use vs random player at those stacks though.

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rumnchess says:

Hey Q,

Check/calling dry boards with king high is something we should do from time to time, but we should usually have a plan behind it.  Against guys that double barrel a lot, it's generally not going to be great as calling down is very sticky, though you can do things like check/call flop, check/raise turn, or check/call flop, donk turn as a counter method.  Board texture is also very important here.  Check/calling K9cc on 885 with a club is nearly always fine because we have six live pair outs almost always can pick up a gutter or flush draw on the turn, etc.  Check/calling K7 on J92 will almost always be a mistake.  

Paired boards present a very interesting dynamic.  It's important to figure out how your opponent to responds to check/raises on paired boards.  Some guys will fold the flop really often, but when they call the flop will usually call down (so they're folding stuff like Ace high on the flop but continuing with pocket pairs, the pair on the board, or trips).  Other guys will always float the flop but fold turns and rivers pretty often.  Obviously if we're only playing an opponent a couple times we may never get this information, but if you plan on playing a long match with someone, it's good to attack these boards early to see how they react, and build up some history to use in future situations

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rumnchess says:

The AJ call on the river was probably bad, especially on that card.  A bunch of straight draws and credible hands that hit his turn leading range got there.  Don't have a great reason for calling there other than to say I wanted to see Mers's hand (Note: this is not good poker logic).  The K9o raise/call is almost certainly correct vs Mers' fairly wide reshove range (though it would be the bottom of my calling range).  I'll try to talk more about these spots when they come up.  Being my first video, I found it hard to always keep up with the action.  With the KTcc, there were some straight draws that missed (obviously Mers' got there), and also some weak one pair hands he can have that are likely to fold on that particular card.  Sometimes we'll actually end up bluffing with the best hand, but that's not a big deal, because if we check he'll likely bluff, so we prevent ourselves from being bluffed.  I think there are enough combos of weak one pairs and missed straight draws that a bluff is fine.  

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rumnchess says:

Hehasrisen,

As Mers said, I think his turn call was quite marginal.  I'd probably lean towards folding that particular hand but I think it's pretty close either way

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rumnchess says:

Punisher & Hehasrisen,

As Mers said, I think his turn call was quite marginal.  I'd probably lean towards folding that particular hand but I think it's pretty close either way

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rumnchess says:

All,

I apologize for the coughing.  Somehow I'm *still* sick, so it may be a while before I make another video.  Thanks for all the feedback, much appreciated.

-RUM

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Q says:

oh nice i was wondering why you posted a video, asked for comments and never responded.

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