That was awesome! Just watched the video and must say, I love the sheets, and I love the theory! IMO that's just the way to make Concept videos! And I needed this video very hard, because at the 5.25$ Husng's my opponents are donkbetting really a lot, and I have the feeling, that this donk-bets are a really great weapon against me, because they take the initiative away from me, and that way they often devaluate my button.

When someone was overdoing it, I started bluff-raising them, but in retrospect, I am 100% sure I didn't pay not enough attention on board textures.

There is one kind of donk bet that drives me crazy:

I min raise pre, Villain flats. Villain min-bets on a dry board. i raise 4x. Villain flats AND donk min bets turn - not really funny when you have no piece of the flop. More than once I raised again, just to get flatted and Villain min-bet the river again. But that is a small stakes problem I guess (and not really as sometimes it's nice to have a hand)

One thing that came to my mind: Who watched the Video could look for hands in their Hand History, and Post donk-betted Hands in the Forum for an open discussion. This hand historys and the Video could be the ground for the open discussion.

Thanks very much to your 5 Star Video! Looking forward for more.

hey man glad you liked the vid. I was very unsure about the structure of this video and how it would come across, so your feedback is a good start... =P

When playing against min-donk bets one thing I was told a long time ago was to treat it as a check (eg. If you would cbet then just go ahead and make ur cbet size on top of the minbet). This used to be very effective for me though not so much anymore due to the few players doing it and the nature of them players. By this I mean that typically it is the donk/stations that are doing this so they can try to get cheap SD quite often. Raising early on is a good idea to get a feel for how they play vs your raises/if they are indeed a donk station or if they are just a donk ;-) Against the field though this will be weak far more often than strong so if board texture and/or your hand strength allows it then I think playing aggressively against it is a good idea.

Your forum idea is great and I would be more than willing to participate in discussion of hands in the form if it got up and running (including posting some hands myself).

Cheers,

Matt

Hi Matt,very useful video! 4stars for me!

I would be very happy if you can put here a little example for better understanding one of the last concepts: "leveraging our stack"

Matt you're such a fish!  You should have waited until I did mine so you could get ideas from it like I'm doing now :)  All joking aside, really really good video.  I liked the layout, flow, and all the information you covered.  Was really in depth and well thought out, but now I have big shoes to fill when I do my first concept video!  

Well done sir, 5 stars!

Hey mjw,

I enjoyed the video alot. I have one question about the hand where John donked AK10 spades and you called. The turn was a low spade, putting a four flush on the board, and it went ck ck. Let's say that John checked the river, what would be your bluff bet sizing there? Would you have bet approx 180-200 into the 240 chip pot? Or would you have overbet the pot to 270 or smth? Or would you have potted it? Just interested to see what a good bluff bet size would be in that spot, if he had checked to you instead of leading the river himself.

Also, i will discuss this with Chiry as well, but I would love it if someone did a concept series on playing against 3bets. Or actually just playing in 3bet pots in general. I think it would be very useful, and I'm sure alot of people would enjoy it. Also, whoever takes on this task, they can play some games against a high frequency 3bettor, and show some in game adjustments and stuff. This series would probably be 4-5 vids cause theres alot of info to go over in 3bet pots, and playing several games against several diff opponents who 3bet alot would be cool to see.

Anyways thanks for the vid

Brilliant27

Great video,

before watching this i would have always flatted a donk with AK on a J98 board lol!

BTW I think these concept videos will bring a whole new dimension to the already existing videos! nice way to diversify it

I agree with Brilliant27 about 3bet pots.

Hi Matt,very useful video! 4stars for me!

I would be very happy if you can put here a little example for better understanding one of the last concepts: "leveraging our stack"

Hey man thanks for feedback. Will def consider more examples on next video. I think there was one point in time where I was like 'damn i really wish I had an example to illustrate that", so will have to think more about putting some in nex time and where...

@ IT@WU: <3 not big shoes though I was surprised at how easily and quickly I got this vid done tbh after a long procrastonation...

@ DONNEW: Im glad this has stopped you floating AK on wet boards ;) Thanks for the feedback!

I enjoyed the video alot. I have one question about the hand where John donked AK10 spades and you called. The turn was a low spade, putting a four flush on the board, and it went ck ck. Let's say that John checked the river, what would be your bluff bet sizing there? Would you have bet approx 180-200 into the 240 chip pot? Or would you have overbet the pot to 270 or smth? Or would you have potted it? Just interested to see what a good bluff bet size would be in that spot, if he had checked to you instead of leading the river himself.

My sizing is generally going to be very std in this spot when I'm readless because I kinda expect him to just fold all his non-spade hands which I think will make up a decent portion of his range if he ck turn and river, so t140-180 into 240. It also has to do with the board structure...

On an AKTsss board I don't really expect people to donk a ton of 2-8 naked spades.

On a 482sss board people will frequently donk out the flop with A-Q of spades especially, or like 67 with a spade for example. So there will be a ton of spades in their range for taking that line.

And I don't think I'm necessarily the best person to do the playing 3b pots lesson either but I would love to see someone do it! I would nominate mers or hokie tbh. But it's a v good idea anyways! Cheers for feedback!

Awesome video !

One thing I really missed though was dealing with multiple street aggression, ie. what to do if you flat/raise their donk and then they donk again at the turn - or even do it a third time at the river - especially if this happens read-less.

This is especially a problem for me when I have a weak pair type hand, for instance top pair with a very weak kicker as I've also seen people do this with TPTK.  So if I raise their donk, I'm basically turning my hand into a bluff - and if I flat, I'll be faced with another donk at the turn and often a third one at the river.

I'm just feeling horrible if I call them down just to see that they caught something big at the river, where the most money got into the pot.

One thing I really missed though was dealing with multiple street aggression, ie. what to do if you flat/raise their donk and then they donk again at the turn - or even do it a third time at the river - especially if this happens read-less.

Yeah I mean this is more of a hand-reading issue than anything. I thought about going into multiple streets but I would never be able to satisy everyones needs because later streets can be so villain dependant. The issue is that there are so many individual circumstances under which we play later streets that it would be very difficult. What I tried to do was to give you guys an idea of what you need to be looking at in order to make the best decisions going forward in the hand after facing a donk lead on the flop, and hopefully I achieved that... =)

Hey mjw, 

Thanks for the video this has helped me a lot.  I think the format was pretty good.  If there were any ways to maybe improve it a bit more I think maybe having a few more example hands would be good for each concept (where you don't even need to go through the street by street, don't get me wrong, the KJ example in this one was very good!).  For example, on readless you had 5 or so points you could put in a couple of hands on each type and variation.  You seem to have done a good job on this anyway, but just some constructive feedback.

Keep up the great work!

Hey man thanks for the feedback. Will def look to use more examples in the next one!

i got a question about the Q9ss hand where you decide to reraise small on a 843rainbow board.

Can we apply this also on the lowstakes? or is it better tostay tight and wait for antoher spots?

i got a question about the Q9ss hand where you decide to reraise small on a 843rainbow board.

Can we apply this also on the lowstakes? or is it better tostay tight and wait for antoher spots?

Hey man, it kinda makes me sad that you ask this... :p

But yeah the most important things was that we have some equity (2 overs/backdoor FD and backdoor SD), and this allows us to develop reaads on both what they are leading with and what they will do against counter-aggression. I don't think it matters a lot about stakes but more circumstances.. Hope that makes sense.!

Matt

thanks for youre reply and sorry about the stupid question=). But I see alot people float on lowstakes when you react vs a raise to donkbet. So that was more the question about, I did notice that we needed some equity I really did take good notice dure watching the vid so. But I thought maybe it made a difference on wich stakes you do this kind of move

I have been missing thin value by river so much because of these strange bet sizings.  Even at high limit they do this!  It will definitely get me to thinking more about my shove ranges up against certian opponents.  All the best to Paul, Ryan, and the ever going list of great coaches at husng.

Kindest regards,

Danny

handle stars/tilt 

danfinnjr

Nice video mjw.  One question (I'll add more if I think of them):

KJ, about 20 mins in: flop play makes total sense to me based on your reasoning.  The street that I don't get is the turn.  We have the best hand here a TON (his range is mostly draws/air/worse Jx), and we have no indication that he's going to bluff the river.  Given that, it seems to me that the best play by far would be to raise smallish.  Jx will flat, and draws will usually play really straightforwardly on the river.  This also gets us more value when draws miss and he shuts down, or he checks back with Jx, as he will a lot.

Obv we get slightly owned by a Q, but against the population in general that's a pretty small part of his range (except maybe Qx w weak kicker).

Thoughts?  I'm open to changing my opinion, but I would generally raise 220-260 in that spot.

The last example hand when you had Q9s on the 834ish board...   I was interested in how that played out, and you cut it off after your flop reraise. 

But I think as i saw from a lot of other vids, that donking doesnt make sense for me. Its something mabee i will use to mix it up or play it most against passive player or when villian checks back the flop a lot. Most of the time the btn raises or mindraises and Cbets aton. So by checkcalling and checkraising we gain more value. Its also to get more information about the btn when he acts after the flop. 

Keep going i find you vids very helpfull. Thanks a lot