Mersenneary Turbo Speed Review of Barewire Against Speedukass and Siervos

November 24, 2011 - 15:33

In this video, Mersenneary reviews Barewire (KRab42) playing Siervos and Speedukass, two players who inspire a lot of rage and tilt in their opponents. Mersenneary talks about OOP calling ranges, when to keep barreling when playing against a station, and evaluating lines from good players. The buyin levels are $100 and $200.
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School47 says:
one more good video from mers! Lets see, what inside )
ohly says:
amazing, just amazing! never seen somebody else be so self confident, and so clearly understandable in his analysis, that i believe every word he says and agree with every point he makes.
outs_on_the_moon says:
@42:00 K7o hand: villain on the button checks behind a 489r flop and on the 6 turn villain bet 50%;
I was thinking wouldn't it be better in this spot to checkraise the turn? Since i think after his flop check villains range is pretty weak ; i dont see him having a 9x hand and probably also not 8x; he might have 4x, 6x, weak pp or a hand like Ax.
When villain bets 50% on the turn its kinda hard for me to figure what he's really repping and betsizing wise it looks te me he has something like 22/33/55/4x/6x that he's betting for value/protecting against draws and to get to a cheap showdown. Only very occasionally (e.g. you got a blocker + does he really choose this size-ing with a straight?) a hand like 57 that choose not to cbet. A hand like 7T, TJ, QT,qj i would've expected him to cbet flop so i dont expect those hands in his range anymore
So your still loosing to alot of the hands he's betting the turn with a big % of the time, but when u checkraise turn (with intention to barrel many rivers) you're putting villain in a difficult spot and he might fold a lot of turns and otherwise rivers.
My problem of thinking about wether a check/raise might be better here is if you take handreading to the next level where villain understands that your check/raise doesnt rep that many ( or maybe even no-) made hands and might just call your checkraise+ riverbet with a weak pair. But even then you still have decent equity and will get paid of when a non-club K comes on the river (since if villain is capable of perceiving your c/r-ing range as mostly draws he'll might also understand that you have very little kx in your range) and you might have him fold on any club (villain hardly has any flushdraw in his range so you dont need to be scared barreling), q or j & win (or split) with any 5 or T and even sometimes win the hand when a 7 comes of. (btw.. I'm not sure if barreling on a non-club A on the river is a good idea).
Barewire says:
@ 23:00 i did check flop and bet twice, i just bet bigger on turn than normal
@ 43:30 i definitely should lead smaller here on the 4straight/3flush, when there's close to no bluffs in my range then it has to be the correct play. my thought in game is that he's rarely calling without two pair and never really wants to fold two pair so exploitatively i should increase the size a bit.
edit: I forgot what time the hand was at, but I 3bet ATo and 2 barreled on 248J and you said you'd check the turn. I think it's a close spot and the wider he defends my 3bets pre (if he calls hands like 43s, K2s, etc) the more I like my play as a bluff. I'm also trying to make him fold some floats, draws, etc and since this line was more congruent with my strong hands I think it's better than check/guessing on turn+river. That said, you never commented on his turn raise. I think it's frequenty full of shit and it makes no sense for him to raise anything good here since I'm probably firing off close to anything I have, but do people do it anyways with Jx or monsters? I thought for a long time about jamming before I ended up folding, and I wanted to hear your experience in that situation.
i enjoyed this video a lot even though you're a stubborn teacher and won't admit that you cbet too much :)
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emotionzor says:
i liek this video, i dont also like checking back vs thinking players on the flop with value, but it appereantly works for him so makes me wonder. Also thinking players DO know u have some SD value so they might try to push u out of the hand by knowing that aswell, so thats a plus for checking back i guess
sa1251 says:
siervos is a fucking idiot
School47 says:
Very good video! A lot of useful staff! W8ing for 2nd part! gj
Valuelol says:
"siervos is a fucking idiot"
Well I think he gets a bit emotional with his chat sonmetimes, but I think one shouldnt take it too serious.. he 1st is a pretty good player and 2nd has a big heart and isnt avoiding regs which I think is a good quality to have in this bumhunting times. makes everything more a challenge, and actually thats what most poker palyers are/should lookiing for I guess.. "
sa1251 says:
i apologize. my comment was harsh. i enjoyed the video.
halfbreedhero1986 says:
I agree with the point that someone made about occasionally checking back a hand/second pair for value...I think the point Mersenneary was making though is that on Ace high boards specifically your going to be betting your value range almost 100% of the time, and a thinking player will know that when u check back an ace high board your going to have a value/ or at the very worst a showdown value hand.
Like your never gonna raise with 96o for example and check back an ace 8 3 board.
crstn says:
i watched a few barewire and mers videos today, and I am really astonished how different your flop c-betting strategies are.
Speedukass says:
I want to add some comments about playing agains krab ;]
first 24min
Flop. Checking the flop with a7 , i knew that krab would re-raise me with draws , ace, better aces and so on,i had some history with this player and i knew that he plays really agro style, so i have decided to check flop because i saw in other hands he plays his second pair pretty agro , like q5 , likes to make thin value bets and so on. Thats why i have decided in the begining of hu to check that a7, because this is not the hand i would be happy to see a check - raise on the flop.
I think when u play agains other thinking player u have to play same hand in different way , maybe after 5 hands i would cbet the same flop with same hand. This is just my thinking , that when u play agains other regular and this is not a first hu and so on , u can not play same hands in a same way. Because it would be easy to him to play agains you.
Turn. calling because i dont see many hands that i can get value from, and if i re-raise him i would make him fold his bluffs. It`s a pretty common think to do if a flop is checked to lead the turn.
River. He makes huge bet , so i can not re-raise him and ofcourse i can not fold this hand. So decided to call. And i think i got the most value from his qj in this hand.
25min
Flop. Calling, because its a dry flop, like we saw krab`s stats are 89% open raising from button and cbeting 100%, so i think i dont need to check-raise this dry flop. If i check-raise , all bluffing hands will fold and i dont see many hands, that a weaker than mine could call mine check-raise. A3-A8, and maybe t8-kt And if i get all-inn , most times i will be behind. So i have just called.
Turn. My hand just became better , because i have nuts flush draw, but for the same reasons like on the flop, i have decedid to check-call.
River. And agains he is making huge bet and i think i have only one decision to call. He might have kq, 89 or other hand that beats me , but also he can have bluffs. I dont lead the river ,because i know he is capable on doing big bluffs and he could think that i might have been on the draw and would re-raise me and i have to fold , and if i lead i dont see many hands that are worser than mine would call.
Krab42 likes to 2 barrel 3 barrel a lot so thats why i think a little bit statiorany style is better agains him.
35min yes i agree i have made a mistake , but if remeber corectly i had note on krab that he becomes super agro when he is short thats why i called, but yes i agree 23bb it`s bad call.
39min
Flop. Check-check.
Turn. lead because i have the nuts. BUt krab have not cbeted flop for the first time, so it was dificult to put him on a hand. So he only calls and i keep gussing what he can have there,
River. Pretty bad. In his range might be flush draw, jx, even a set, i dont know, he didnt cbeted that why it was so tricky. So i have decided to check the river.
First if he has weak hand like he had , he wont call my bet on the river , unless he have king , but its not likely because he has checked the flop, he might have jx, that he would call , but is hard to put him on jx too, But possible .Ii think he still wont call my river bet with jx , because its really bad card , everything what i could beton the turn beats him on the river. And my image on these hu`s wasnt agro bluffer, so i would get a lot of respect on this river bet.
Second. Krab42 likes to make thin value bets on the river , thats why i have thought he wont call my bet on the river with jack , but he might bet his jack, if he has strong enough jack. or even a9, he might think i can have 89 or something. Plus like we have saw in other hand he is capable to bluff the river with big bets. Of course is not the same situation that we have saw before , because he was 2 barreling or 3 barreling. But still its posibility that he could flat turn and try to bluff out me on the river.
Thirdly. He has checked the flop for the first time. So it might meen he has really good hand like a set and wanted to trap me. And he has juck called the turn , thats why i could put him on the flush draw. In his top range is flush draw and a set. So i thought its better to check call than lead the river( i have mention befoe why i have thought not many hands could call my bet) and face big re0raise and probably the best decision would be fold. Plus this player is capable of doing this with bluff to re-raise me big on the river , because he knows that i can only call there with really strong hand.
That was my thinking about his hand and my opponenet , agains most of oponents i think i would bet that river , but because of game flow and my oponentwas krab42 i have decided to check this river.
45min I have decided to check -raise that flop because i was pretty tight on this hu , my image was solid and so on , krab42 was cbeting allmost 100% of the flop and i thought i would get a lot of respect in this check-raise , i think just calling on that flop it would be bad because there are so many cards on the turn that are so bad for my hand. When i have check -raised and faced up i all inn bet, i just could not fold my top pair , because i was invested too much chips on that hand , plus he might have a draw and we are flipping.
unfortunately he had jacks. and a lucky river .. :))
That was my thoughts aboud hands and so on. I dont say that was the perefect plays and so on , just i wanted to say way i ahve played some hand in that way.
P.S. I was really happy when mersenneary sayed , that i play sometimes nitty sometimes agro and so on. I think this is most important thing when other regular dont fully understand how you play, are you nitty or are you super agro ;]
All in all i want to thank mersenneary for our battles on full tilt in 100s non turbos two years ago , i have learned so much from you and u have sayed a lot of good things. I think after battles agains you i have started to beat 100s level much easier. And i still learning from you a lot how to play hypers. ;]
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