ITRIED2WARNU Video 33 - Member Leakfinder II

December 20, 2010 - 14:45

In this video, ITRIED2WARNU reviews HUSNG member “MrRunsGoood” at the $10.50 level on PokerStars. This video was a result of the Free Leakfinder #2 contest in our member forums.
(11 votes)

athanatos says:
the folder is empty when it downloads :(
ITRIED2WARNU says:
Video works now!
Brent
ITRIED2WARNU
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athanatos says:
1st hand: I can't wrap my head around this one. I would never call his c/r on this flop in the first hand and definitely not again on the turn even though he did pair his 7. That pot became way too big to be screwing around hoping to land a spade or another 7 considering this is the very first hand. I'm just totally lost as to why you didn't have a problem with this and I'd like to be reassured that this is ok to do?
13:40 - he 3bets JJ oop, then on a 4s 7d 6s flop he cbets and villain calls. I'd try to c/r this and if that didn't work I'd lead any turn. Should it be normal to cbet this flop in a 3bet pot? I'm really confused by this.
On the second match I lulz at how villain looked so russian and you mentioned it.
Overall I think this video was great and it reinforced a lot of my thinking as correct, which is pretty exciting for me. I could watch these leakfinders all day.
ITRIED2WARNU says:
1st hand: I can't wrap my head around this one. I would never call his c/r on this flop in the first hand and definitely not again on the turn even though he did pair his 7. That pot became way too big to be screwing around hoping to land a spade or another 7 considering this is the very first hand. I'm just totally lost as to why you didn't have a problem with this and I'd like to be reassured that this is ok to do?
1st hand: 57ss on Q92ss7x Folding this flop is a terrible move. We're extremely deep at this point and being in position with a flush draw against an opponent who has check raised the flop can be a great spot when you hit. In these spots (at this level) your opponent won't be good enough to get away from top pair, let alone > 1 pair hands. Your implied odds are massive, and if you are folding this flop to a check raise of this size it's a bad idea. Again, pretty much the same thing now on the turn, but have even more outs against an opponent who is betting less than 1/2 the pot.
Flop: 120 (pot) + 65 (our bet) + 200 (his chk r) = 385 total... 385/135 (to call) = 2.85:1 so were getting a great price, and even if he bet more on his check raise this would still be a very easy call with implied odds.
Turn: 520 (pot) + 200 (his bet) = 720 total... 720/200 (to call) = 3.6:1 again, a great price to call here and we figure to usually have 14 outs here (in actuality 11) and with implied odds, again a correct call.
13:40 - he 3bets JJ oop, then on a 4s 7d 6s flop he cbets and villain calls. I'd try to c/r this and if that didn't work I'd lead any turn. Should it be normal to cbet this flop in a 3bet pot? I'm really confused by this.
Trying to check raise on such a drawish board would be a bad idea, as there are a lot of turns we don't want to see. This opponent may have bet with a wide variety of hands, but not all opponents will. It's best to try and get as much value as possible by betting this flop, and avoid giving a free card. A three, five, four, seven, six, or spade are all "bad cards" for us, as well as any over cards Ace, Queen, or King. Our hand is too vulnerable to be planning for a check raise on this type of board.
Thank you for the questions and comments, I appreciate your feedback!
Brent
ITRIED2WARNU
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MrRunsGoood says:
I would just like to thank ITRIED for this opportunity and hope everyone enjoyed the video. So much win in this vid for me - I wish I could mention on all the spots and comments I liked in this video, but my reply would be much longer.
4 general things I took away from the leak finder:
1) My cbet sizing. Agreed, it's kind of random. Currently I am trying to find something that works for me - and so far it's been some kind of random balance between betting according to flop texture and trying to keep my bluffs cheap. Anyways - I really like your comment about a standardized cbet sizing until I develop some reads and will incorporate this into my game.
2) Notes: Fwiw, I usually will take decent notes and then add to them after a session when reviewing matches on HEM. But I have missed a lot of important things that you include (effective stacks, and including bet sizing). So, thanks for the recommendations, this will definitely help
3) Bet sizing - watching this video made me realize I am missing a lot of value and generally betting to small in a lot of spots with made hands.
4)Turn play oop when villain checks behind otf. This spot was mentioned a few times in your leak finder.My standard play is to bet the turn in this spot with a relatively balanced range or air, decent draws (with little sd value), and good pairs. Sometimes I will mix in some weaker pairs depending on villain but for the most I am usually checking turn with marginal sd value like A high, Kx ect contolling the pot and looking to bluff catch suspicious turn or river bets. My though process has been as follows - if I bet the turn and don't improve then I feel villains may be more inclinded to bluff the river with worse when I check the river as the pot becomes larger and more desriable to steal. Therefore I am left bluff catching in a larger pot than if I would of checked the turn. I guess I could counter this by barreling decent rivers, but this could leave me bluffing with possibly the best hand. However, you made some really good points about betting the turn and I can see alot of fallacy in my original logic. Thanks for this.
1st match:
1)08:00 - 87oop and I c/r a 1/2 pot cbet with an oesd on a 7TQcc flop. My thoughts during the hand - given villains taggy attributes so far I am expecting him/her to cbet this flop with entire range. Also, I am assuming villain would cbet larger if they had a decent piece - but am unsure of this. Anyways, I decide to test this theory and c/r as I figure I can fold out a lot of hands that beat me (but have poor equity - like weak Ax, Kx, Jx hands), expect flats from Tx, possibly some Qx hands, and folds from 7x, raises from decent Qx, 2 pairs, sets, and fd's (and I would fold). If called I have decent equity to improve as well possibly some good cards to bluff. Also, I expect to get a lot more credit on this type of flop texture. Meh - don't really know now about the hand after thinking about your comments. Tbh, I think a lot about these spots after reading Mer's articles for 2+2 magazine on pushing marginal edges vs randoms readless. So I guess as a more general question how quick and in what spots are we looking to test a random given what little information we have about them (kind of like what Cog does early in a match)?
2) 11:30, 55bb effective stacks, villain opens 3x and I 3bet 94s to 3x. Agree that I could of chosen a better hand to 3bet bluff in this spot.
3) 20:00 - roughly 75 effective stacks a 10/20. I raise J9o otb and villain flats, Flop 86Qr and villian check/snap calls, Turn K and I double barrel - villain calls quickly. River I bink my gutter. Really liked your suggested river bet sizing and the reasoning for it. Also, you mentioned that We will have a lot of good river cards to 3 barrel bluff - could you expand on this?
4)38:30, 37bb effective stacks @ 15/30 with KJs oop. So far villain has switched gears and has been tilt spewing - I just doubled up with AA when he 3bet/called with J6s at like 15bb's. Anyways - I flat his minr and end up folding the turn after flop 246 gets checked through and he overbets turn 5. First off, just want to say I really liked your post flop analysis and different lines we could take. Preflop - I was contemplating 3betting/calling a shove but at the time was thinking that though he was 3betting quite a bit - the J6s hand may not be a reliable read that villain will get it in light considering he/she priced themselves in to call with that hand and could fiind a fold with dominated hands.... but thinking back on it combine the fact that villain lost a big pot and they have been tilt/spewy, it would be + ev for sure to take ur recomended line. Anyways - considering this should we be widening our 3 bet value range in these spots expecting villian to spew (like A7+, KT+, QJ+)?
2nd match - villain has been raising wide otb (about 63%) and not cbetting at all. From the pots we have played thus far villaisn seems kind of sticky post and has bet all rivers oop or ip when turn gets checked through (one 1/2 pot bet 1/s hand after floating a 45427flop, and overbet on a A river).
1) 52:36 - 10/20, 65bb effective stacks, I flat a 3x oop with A7o, flop comes 998cc and villain doesnt cbet again. turn 5 and I lead 75/120, villain snap calls. River 9 and I bet 175 into 270 and you said that c/c is much better. Sigh - totally agree. I guess I should try to explain my thought process in this butchered hand.
On the turn I am in line with your thought process and bet expecting to have the best hand, possibly take down the pot, and charge any draws/overs villain would call with. River... this is where I become lost in the hand. I was originally thinking c/c'ing and bluff catching river, but after thinking about it some more - I didn't really feel comfortable calling a large bet on the river as I really have no F'in clue wtf villain is doing (for some reason this raise wide pre otb, no cbet - check down and bet river line was really confusing me). Anyways - I wasn't sure if villain had been making hands - attacking my weakness on the river, or if he/she had been turning marginal sd value into a bluff (for whatever reason). So, otr I was planning on calling a bet - but didn't really want to call a psb so I thought blocking bet! Then I thought if I bet small it might induce villain to spazz, so i contemplated the merits of a larger bet size. I though it could probably fold out better Ax hands and low pp's - so my river bet was a bluff.
2) 57:50 - 50bb effective stacks 10/20 I raise KhTx otb 3x and villain calls. Flop 345hh and villain c/c's 1/2 pot bet. Turn 6h and I barrel 160/240 and villain calls. River 5 - gets checked through. Er - guess I should attempt to explain my reasoniing in this hand as well. Flop - I agree that this would be a good spot to check behind. I guess at the time I was thinking i could get value/folds out of a lot of floats/draws and that there would be a lot of good turn barrel cards to get villain off of ax, weak pairs ect (though i may have to tripple barrel). Turn - agreed, ck behind would be a lot better. I was thinking barreling could get villain of of Ax (but probably not Ah) any pair ( I think I would be more worried about a 7, 2 or A?). I think a lot of villains will lead here with 7x or 2x a lot of time as there is a good % I check behind with a naked heart draw - so wasnt to worried about the straight (stupid thought?). They may c/r (though villain seems kind of passive thus far so unsure if he/she cr/ here with a semi bluff, pair + draw ect) but seems like this would be a risky play for the reasons I stated above. If I do get raised then I was planning on folding. If called I was planning on barreling a lot of rivers (bad idea?) and have decent equity to improve bettin with a flush (checking behind with a pair of T's, K's).
MonkeyTilt says:
Sorry I don't have any specific feedback except what others have said already, but this video was very good and has definitely helped me think a bit more about ranges and how to play in diff spots. Thanks for putting it up.
qattack says:
I rated this video 4 Stars. Some good stuff here and easy to watch.
A few questions:
@17:45 Tc5s Limped Pot...Ad6hQdJd...Flop is checked through. You say that the turn card is bad to stab at, as villain can call with a naked king or any diamond. I have been experimenting with betting pot in this type of situation and betting again on most river cards, expecting to get quite a few folds. You don't think this particular board is good for that?
@20:00 J9o. 10/20 blinds. Hero raises to 60. Board runs out 8d6hQcKhTc. Hero barrels turn. Then say, "A lot of rivers will be good for us to be barreling on..." We hit the nuts of course, but shortly afterwards, you state that villain will "probably" be calling the river because he's already called twice on a non-drawish board. I'm a bit confused by this apparent contradiction.
@1:03:45 A8o. Hero's stack: 720. Blinds 10/20. Villain raises to 60. You advocate a 3B here. What 3B size would you choose and what are your raises behind that size?
ThanX!
ITRIED2WARNU says:
Thanks as always for the detailed comments and times of the questions. Makes it very easy to reply and really appreciate it. I'm curious as to why it wasn't a 5 star video.. don't get me wrong, I'm not offended by any means, just curious as to what you would like to see different or changed?
@17:45 Tc5s Limped Pot...Ad6hQdJd...Flop is checked through. You say that the turn card is bad to stab at, as villain can call with a naked king or any diamond. I have been experimenting with betting pot in this type of situation and betting again on most river cards, expecting to get quite a few folds. You don't think this particular board is good for that?
I actually like the line you're referring to here a lot more when A) the pot is bigger, and B) the board isn't as coordinated. (Boards that may only contain one obvious draw, like a flush or straight draw, instead of both) Not that I think it's a terrible spot, but not as good as most since the pot is so small (2bb with deep effective stacks). A positive of this though is that the match is early on and you can find out more about the villains tendencies and capabilities.
@20:00 J9o. 10/20 blinds. Hero raises to 60. Board runs out 8d6hQcKhTc. Hero barrels turn. Then say, "A lot of rivers will be good for us to be barreling on..." We hit the nuts of course, but shortly afterwards, you state that villain will "probably" be calling the river because he's already called twice on a non-drawish board. I'm a bit confused by this apparent contradiction.
Good catch on this and something that wasn't explained as well as it should've been. What I was trying to get across is that a lot of uncoordinated cards (low cards, or ones that don't add two pair/straight combinations) are going to be good rivers for us to barrel on. My other thought was that he will usually get called on this river, because it is NOT one of those "good cards to barrel on" - it's actually a bad card to bluff since it makes some very possible/logical two pair combos and a straight w/ 79.
@1:03:45 A8o. Hero's stack: 720. Blinds 10/20. Villain raises to 60. You advocate a 3B here. What 3B size would you choose and what are your raises behind that size?
I think a 3bet to 180-200 would be fine, with the intention of calling a jam every time. We would be putting in 25% of our stack here (180/720) and it's a very clear call if he jams. Some of the time we will have the best hand and sometimes we won't.
Thanks again for your questions, always love feedback and comments!
Brent
ITRIED2WARNU
My Coaching Page
DonNew says:
Great video here, Im interested in hearing the answers to Mrrunsgoods questions :)