HokieGreg Video 22 - Single Tabling $230s

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HokieGreg single tables the $220 + 10 turbo speed buyin on PokerStars.

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n1te1337 says:

awesome

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hokiegreg says:

VPIP/PREFLOP RAISE/3BET%/DONKBET FLOP %

CBET%/FOLD TO MY CBET%/FLOP C-R%/HANDS PLAYED

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ConcreteDonkey says:

great explanation of thought process

 

borderline mind boggling there are fish as bad as your second opponent at the $230s

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nicoasp says:

Have only watched the first match, but I'm liking it sooo much, the discussion about bet sizes was really really useful to me. Definately something to take into consideration in notes too. And the reasoning behind the hero calls was great too. Hokie, would it be possible for you to take a look at this post: http://www.husng.com/content/narrow-range-hero-call ? It was a spot that I have a lot of doubts about, whether my reasoning was correct or whether it's spewy to even be thinking about a call there.

On the AK hand where you 3bet right at the beggining and flop comes TJx do you think a turn bet is out of the question? Because on the flop the check-raising plan would have been good, but you can't check raise the turn and if you check again you really can't rep anything anymore, while if you bet the turn there's still a lot off stuff in your value range.

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nicoasp says:

Just finished watching, definately one of the vids I've gotten biggest value from so far. The part about switching to nash <10BBs and not trying to keep doing stupid cute stuff when you're playing a huge fish that you've been owning with bigger stacks is really big for me.

What is your thinking on being careful not to exploit soooo much a leak than someone will be forced to fix it? Like, against the second guy, I noticed you were taking advantage of his ridiculous leaks in 100% of hands, don't you ever give him a break on purpose, like give him a free showdown with air so he sees you can do it? It's pretty amazing that he did not change at all in the whole game.

And the part about not trying to do any weird stuff like overbet a good-looking spot OOP when you know you have a huuge edge doing other things was also great for me. Yesterday I played a bunch of games vs a fish I felt I could win like 80% against and I actually lost the first 2 by doing retarded stuff like shoving A8 over a 3x open (he'd been doing them quite often), when I was able to just grind him down sooo easily.

Sorry to leave such long comments but this really touched on some very useful stuff for me. thanks!

 

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eric2441989 says:

Hi, great vid

You discribe in you use nash later against fish. Generally u start usin it a 12-13 bb dp but against this huge fish you dont, cause your edge is so big. I agree to that logic. But i ask my self the reverse question.

If im playin someone who defenately has an edge on me. Should i use nash more wider 12-20 bb dp?

The problem is, if u minraise 12-20 bb dp, you give your opponent good odds, and if hes an edge on you, he can exploit you.

For example you have A2o an are 18bb dp. Against fish, im minraisin, cause i want him to shove, and shovin myself is producin too much fold equity. Thats my general thought process like you did in several vids as well. But if hes an edge on me, hes callin much and exploitin me. So my logic is, to use rustical nash even bein 18 bb dp.

Does that logic make sense in your eyes, Hokie?

Ty for answer

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hokiegreg says:

AK hand: After looking over this vid after adding comm, this is the one spot I would have liked to have thought about/explained differently. I think a 30%ish turn lead is best. It's kind of like a block bet, since we will have to fold to a decent size turn bet for the reasons I explained in the vid. More importantly, it protects or equity a bit from checking back and we might even get some value from it. I think bigger than 30% is very unnecessary on this board...our line looks pretty weak and I dont think anything that would fold to 60% is not folding to 30%. There aren't many spots I'd play like this tho...pretty unique given board texture/stack sizes.

 

Link hand: Meh. I don't think this is the kind of board that a winning player is going to be donkbet/leading 3 streets with complete air. He has to expect to get hero'd here a fair amount. I'd like calling down with 2nd pair a lot more on a lower card board, as I expect people to be donking it more often since it hits our perceived raising range pre a lot less. I'd prob call turn/fold river, vs a lot of guys i'd just fold the turn though. It's hard to say really.

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hokiegreg says:

Glad you liked the vid.

It's surprising how rarely people change big leaks like this. It's because they don't understand their leaks. They see me playing back and say "Oh he's so bluffy! I'm going to get a big hand and get him!" Unfortunately for them, they will turn their hands face up the second they get something decent. Also, if they do adjust, they will likely do it in the most transparent way ever and I'll just readjust and exploit that.

I know what you mean thought, and yes, if I am playing a non-retard I will not over-exploit an edge to protect it. I just think guys that play bad on this kind of level will fall more into the category of player that I was just describing.

 

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hokiegreg says:

Noone should have a big enough edge on you 12-20 deep to justify playing NASH. Edges are incredibly thin at stacks this short, and while NASHing someone with that edge may be unexploitable, I think more often than not you will be miscalculating how much of an edge they really have on you and wind up exploiting yourself. Not sure how to explain that clearly. I just hate paranoia in poker. Figure out how to make +ev decisions in spots and become comfortable with them. If you feel that enough people have an edge on you at these stacks to justify NASHing, then open up some mersenneary vids or get some coaching.

It is soooo rare that you will play someone that can profitably call with a wide range oop at 18bb stacks and really have that big of an edge on you. 

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lovelydonk says:

super good vid...tx

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eric2441989 says:

Thx for answer Hokie,

You probably misunderstood me. ATM im not nashing much 12-20 bb dp, cause of my game managment and skill (at the 230s and 345s) i generally have an edge. Like you said, its really rarely, someone has a huge edge on you these stacks, but my question actually refered exactly to these rarely cases. (talkin about thte cases i really get joined by highstakes players or sick crushers)

I asked myself, wether in these cases, its more +EV to nash or to minraise, even if theres a chance to get played out after. But you probably answered my question, that i shouldnt overestimating this edge while bein that deep, Thanks for this advice.

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hokiegreg says:

a lot of great players still have bad endgame. some marginal players have good endgame. 

if you are playing someone who has a good endgame, they will not be flatting oop much at 12-20 stacks (esp 16+)

if you are playing someone who has a bad endgame but is a great player who is flatting oop at these stacks, its unlikely their skill will equate to an edge with stacks this short

just solidify your endgame and crush

hokie

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