Submitted by outs_on_the_moon on September 26, 2012 - 06:44.
@33:00 you advocate limpraising your AQo to 3BB at 15bb but as standard i just jam here. I'm not to fond of playing these hands oop shortstacked voor active players. For 1; once an A comes on the flop you usually will have a hard time getting value & if the flop comes with a middling kinda bord it hits villains calling range quite hard and your either bluffing into pairs or draws which you have to check/fold on turns (presuming there are no Aces or Queens on the bord).
So i'd rather just take the 2 BB already in the pot for free with jamming over his limp, then to put myself into a difficult spot when i dont hit my toppair where i either have to play weak (bet flop, check/fold turn against agro players or even check/fold on boards like 89Ts or soemthing), spew (double barrel with little equity and hope for a fold)-> which is a play i really dont like, or bet/call it off with usually not the greatest equity.
What are your thoughts on that?
@33:00 72o hand; Villian limps and flop comes AQ5s; Villain didnt seem to play back to agressively; as standard I'm stabbing here oop versus these kinda passive players. It only needs to work over 1/3's of the time for donking to be more profitable then check/folding. What is you reasoning for deciding to check here?
Submitted by cog dissonance on September 26, 2012 - 08:15.
@33:00 you advocate limpraising your AQo to 3BB at 15bb but as standard i just jam here. I'm not to fond of playing these hands oop shortstacked voor active players.
In hypers you need to take risks to maximize your overall value. You can't constantly avoid difficult spots or you make far less money overall.
@33:00 72o hand; Villian limps and flop comes AQ5s; Villain didnt seem to play back to agressively; as standard I'm stabbing here oop versus these kinda passive players. It only needs to work over 1/3's of the time for donking to be more profitable then check/folding. What is you reasoning for deciding to check here?
Yes I agree with you, I'm not sure why I checked, mark that up as an error.
Submitted by zachaser on September 27, 2012 - 00:50.
2:12 (7h4h)- Why not jam over here? You said he's a good reg, I assume he's raising super wide pre.
24:14(K4o)- I think jamming over his limp will be more profitable than checking back. Opponent is a limpfish, so he has so much garbage here you will need to do very well postflop to do better than winning the blinds with a jam.
30:48(TJo)- I think folding here is pretty nitty. You only need 41.6% against his jam over range, I'm curious as to why you think folding TJ here is better than calling after you min raise.
Submitted by outs_on_the_moon on September 27, 2012 - 10:54.
"In hypers you need to take risks to maximize your overall value." mheeehhh]
Then in the same line of reasoning do you also advocat 3betting hand like at-ak like 40-120?! There were most players (like Mers) just advocates jamming instead of 3betting it (unless vs certain playertypes you have an agressive history with) with same kinda of reasoning that i have that you will hardly get any value if you hit an Axx flop.
I just played a game and lost it partly becuase i decided to follow up your advice & then started thinking about this hand again.
Not that this have to do anything in the decision wether to raise limp or jam, but it made me think about the hand again.
Anyway; I'm just very sceptical if raising really gives you a higher overall value compared to jamming
Since basically your investing t60 for a raise and t90 on a 50% cbet (betting lower can also be problematic vs lots of $15 lpayers since your inducing floats and blufs more imo) = t150 to try to win an extra t60 whenvillain is calling preflop.
Risk:Reward ratio seems kinda high, especially because of that you will get no to little value from axx flops arguably and get floated or bluffed at directly a decent amount on middling board/lower boards where you might be check/folding turnss or even check/fold flop when is its a conencted maybe suited middle-lower board.
I'm switching back to jamming, unless you could convince me in more detail (with some mathematical basis) that raising is really more profitable then jamming. I would really like to know if so, but i cant see it yet and "in hypers you need ot take risks on order ot maximize value" is not really a well founded reason.
I'm not trying to brake your balls here on anything; but im really greedy to learn and learn well. i learned a lot from your videos & i think you did some great work
Submitted by cog dissonance on September 28, 2012 - 21:15.
I think I can explain the AK situation better. Overall shoving or 3 betting to 90-100 probably makes very little difference. Shoving gets value from loose calls, but there will be less of them. 3 betting to 90 gets more calls when you are a pre flop favorite and also gets the occassional 4 bet bluff. In the end, either way is fine. I don't see much evidence that shoving is inherently superior.
Submitted by mintberrycrunch on October 11, 2012 - 15:00.
Great video.
I have a question about your shoving ranges. In on of your earlier videos you talk about using Chubkov because Nash was too loose and calling using the Nash chart plus 3-4BB.
In this vidoe you have 3 or four different charts on a spreadsheet which all seem to use different hand ranking systems [from what I can tell anyway].
Is there any logical resaon for using one chart or hand ranking system over another.
Look forward to your next one or your pack if you're doing one.
Submitted by battered on November 4, 2012 - 17:22.
...the interactive chart was made by one of my previous students my arse! I got a bit of a surprise when it showed on the screen...
anyway I just got $50 for all standard vids offer and watched your hyper set from the recommended videos list, was very impressed with your videos so quickly got to the rest of your more recent hyper videos.
In this one your calling range seems to have got a lot wider than demonstrated in some of your older videos (previosly you were dropping SCs at 18/19bb) what other dynamics do you think have changed over the last year?
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@33:00 you advocate
@33:00 you advocate limpraising your AQo to 3BB at 15bb but as standard i just jam here. I'm not to fond of playing these hands oop shortstacked voor active players. For 1; once an A comes on the flop you usually will have a hard time getting value & if the flop comes with a middling kinda bord it hits villains calling range quite hard and your either bluffing into pairs or draws which you have to check/fold on turns (presuming there are no Aces or Queens on the bord).
So i'd rather just take the 2 BB already in the pot for free with jamming over his limp, then to put myself into a difficult spot when i dont hit my toppair where i either have to play weak (bet flop, check/fold turn against agro players or even check/fold on boards like 89Ts or soemthing), spew (double barrel with little equity and hope for a fold)-> which is a play i really dont like, or bet/call it off with usually not the greatest equity.
What are your thoughts on that?
@33:00 72o hand; Villian limps and flop comes AQ5s; Villain didnt seem to play back to agressively; as standard I'm stabbing here oop versus these kinda passive players. It only needs to work over 1/3's of the time for donking to be more profitable then check/folding. What is you reasoning for deciding to check here?
"... I bought my house
"... I bought my house limping and stabbing" ^__^
To be fair it's a shitty
To be fair it's a shitty house though. :D
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@33:00 you advocate
@33:00 you advocate limpraising your AQo to 3BB at 15bb but as standard i just jam here. I'm not to fond of playing these hands oop shortstacked voor active players.
In hypers you need to take risks to maximize your overall value. You can't constantly avoid difficult spots or you make far less money overall.
@33:00 72o hand; Villian limps and flop comes AQ5s; Villain didnt seem to play back to agressively; as standard I'm stabbing here oop versus these kinda passive players. It only needs to work over 1/3's of the time for donking to be more profitable then check/folding. What is you reasoning for deciding to check here?
Yes I agree with you, I'm not sure why I checked, mark that up as an error.
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2:12 (7h4h)- Why not jam
2:12 (7h4h)- Why not jam over here? You said he's a good reg, I assume he's raising super wide pre.
24:14(K4o)- I think jamming over his limp will be more profitable than checking back. Opponent is a limpfish, so he has so much garbage here you will need to do very well postflop to do better than winning the blinds with a jam.
30:48(TJo)- I think folding here is pretty nitty. You only need 41.6% against his jam over range, I'm curious as to why you think folding TJ here is better than calling after you min raise.
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate the video!
@Zachaser It's a video aimed
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It's a video aimed at beginners to teach solid play, therefore I left advanced plays out.
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"In hypers you need to take
"In hypers you need to take risks to maximize your overall value." mheeehhh]
Then in the same line of reasoning do you also advocat 3betting hand like at-ak like 40-120?! There were most players (like Mers) just advocates jamming instead of 3betting it (unless vs certain playertypes you have an agressive history with) with same kinda of reasoning that i have that you will hardly get any value if you hit an Axx flop.
I just played a game and lost it partly becuase i decided to follow up your advice & then started thinking about this hand again.
Not that this have to do anything in the decision wether to raise limp or jam, but it made me think about the hand again.
Anyway; I'm just very sceptical if raising really gives you a higher overall value compared to jamming
Since basically your investing t60 for a raise and t90 on a 50% cbet (betting lower can also be problematic vs lots of $15 lpayers since your inducing floats and blufs more imo) = t150 to try to win an extra t60 whenvillain is calling preflop.
Risk:Reward ratio seems kinda high, especially because of that you will get no to little value from axx flops arguably and get floated or bluffed at directly a decent amount on middling board/lower boards where you might be check/folding turnss or even check/fold flop when is its a conencted maybe suited middle-lower board.
I'm switching back to jamming, unless you could convince me in more detail (with some mathematical basis) that raising is really more profitable then jamming. I would really like to know if so, but i cant see it yet and "in hypers you need ot take risks on order ot maximize value" is not really a well founded reason.
I'm not trying to brake your balls here on anything; but im really greedy to learn and learn well. i learned a lot from your videos & i think you did some great work
A lot depends on your post
A lot depends on your post flop skills. If you feel it's better to shove, then by all means do.
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I think I can explain the AK
I think I can explain the AK situation better. Overall shoving or 3 betting to 90-100 probably makes very little difference. Shoving gets value from loose calls, but there will be less of them. 3 betting to 90 gets more calls when you are a pre flop favorite and also gets the occassional 4 bet bluff. In the end, either way is fine. I don't see much evidence that shoving is inherently superior.
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Question about push/fold ranges
Great video.
I have a question about your shoving ranges. In on of your earlier videos you talk about using Chubkov because Nash was too loose and calling using the Nash chart plus 3-4BB.
In this vidoe you have 3 or four different charts on a spreadsheet which all seem to use different hand ranking systems [from what I can tell anyway].
Is there any logical resaon for using one chart or hand ranking system over another.
Look forward to your next one or your pack if you're doing one.
What is the buyin?
...the interactive chart was
...the interactive chart was made by one of my previous students my arse! I got a bit of a surprise when it showed on the screen...
anyway I just got $50 for all standard vids offer and watched your hyper set from the recommended videos list, was very impressed with your videos so quickly got to the rest of your more recent hyper videos.
In this one your calling range seems to have got a lot wider than demonstrated in some of your older videos (previosly you were dropping SCs at 18/19bb) what other dynamics do you think have changed over the last year?
Thanks
Yeah I was calling way too
Yeah I was calling way too tight a year or so ago and are now calling much wider (against a min raise)
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