Coffeeyay continues with Part 5 of a 6 part series. The videos are Hand History reviews with selected interesting hands. He focuses on tough spots and does in depth analysis to try to find maximally exploitive lines to take through a variety of interesting hand histories. In this video he discusses when to 3 barrel both as a bluff and for value and when not to.
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Hey,
Thanks for posting this vid, i enjoyed it! Especially the gross AK hand at the end, that was a really tough hand as played.
I have a couple of questions about the KTo hand:
1: Pre, is this close to a raise when he limps? I have been raising KTo against players who have a weak limping range.
2: On the flop you say that there is no value in check/raising.. this board has quite a few draws, could we not check/raise to get value from draws?
Thanks
Hey, truly great series, and I appreciate the time you give to make videos like this one free and readily available to the community.
That said, I always feel a little uneasy in your videos, or in others' leakfinders, when you say something along the lines of, "This is what fish do." In this video, you say that checking back an A in position on the 9ATT board with two spades is a fish play. That isn't always the case, I'm sure of it. Most fish at the micro stakes will check raise their strong draws, i.e. flush draws and open enders, flat the flop with their weak ones, i.e. gutshots and overcard(s), and also check raise top pair or better; sure, sometimes they'll slowplay a set or two pair. MOST of them flat middle pair on boards like this one, and a lot of them fold or flat bottom pair. If villain has an A in position on that board, what is he getting value from on the turn besides a flush draw, an open ender, or 9x? If villain flats the flop, I think only 9x, against most "fish," is the only reasonable hand in his range from which you can get value, and that makes it a really thin value bet.. What's so fishy about checking back Ax to induce a bluff while keeping the pot smaller when you're beat? Plus, you're in position and can bet for value if it's checked to you on the river.
Thanks in advance!
-James
Jt
Every time you hear coffeeyay saying fish do someting, you can safely assume they do the exact opposite. Good example is first hand here, "8x almost always folds", lol... I think there is a lot to learn from coffeeyay's videos, I myself bought his math pack and I value it very highly. It's just his perception of fish tendencies that is often totally wrong. E.g. he always expects a lot of fold equity in spots where he has almost none.
I do agree that "8x almost always folds" seems a bit presumptious in that spot. But if you say he has almost no fold equity, I would also say that is incorrect.
8x folds there more often than you think, but also less often than Adam said in the video (that's my opinion at least).
Obviously I was (deliberately) exaggerating in my previous comment. I do believe that 8x rarely folds though.
Well, I think that what I know about Adam (as his student), his aproach to this is highly based on population tendencies. The problem is when we say Ithink fish would do this in this spot, our statement is based on what we remember and how good we are in defending against selective memory. What Adam does is he si colecting databeses from his students from different bi levels to get really large samples and filters what most fish do with such a hand type most of the time using global allias in PT4. I dont want to argue with anyone how much sure you could be about what you remember and why you remeber it or not. I am just saying that If I am going to use information as valuable, I would rather use the type of information that is not biased by anyones memory. Of course even the information based on Adams population tendencies are biased, but still I think this is how you get the most acurate result. If you have his math pack, its obvious that you get some results of what like 60% of players do, but readless its still better to know at least that than use what I think did work for me for much smaller samples just based on what I remember.
No problems here with coffee's explanation of the first hand. He clearly spends a lot of time explaining what to do if you feel villain's NOT folding 8x, I.e. flat the flop and five up if you don't make a hand.
Jt