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e270889o's picture
Is this chubukov chart in sb´s or bb´s?

Hi everyone. I´ve been reading a lot in 2+2 about this chart but all references are about some old chart which is not aviable for download.So, everyone is talking about this chart now. I know that old chart was in sb`s but, i wanna know if the efective stack in this new chart it´s in sb too or it's in bb'sThanks. THIS IS THE CHARThttp://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb343/bunzablood/S-C.jpg?t=1311728672  If any of you could explain why chubukov chart let you do more stuff than nash. I believe it only tells you when folding its the worst move, but it doesnt talk about unexploit game i thing.Nash talks about a inexplotable game but you can only do shove/fold... Im i right?

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This chart is in BB.It tells

This chart is in BB.It tells you when open shoving a hand is always, no matter what, better than folding.Overall, it's useless. The only use i can think of off the top of my head is that you can use it when arguing with a nit to prove to them that they are in fact terrible nits. The major issue with the chart is that it assumes a different villain calling range for every hand--the worst case scenario. This is obviously a terrible assumption to make in game since your villain can't actually see your hand and so can't change their calling range as a function of your hand. 

e270889o's picture
so, its more usefull nash

so, its more usefull nash charts

coffeeyay's picture
S-C tell you when shove>fold

S-C tell you when shove>fold when your hand is face up. this makes it useless.Nash tells you when shove>fold when your range is face upNash is useful shorter than 8bb because there we're stuck playing push fold and just want to use the best ranges possible so that even when the range is face up we're doing solid. Otherwise it too is useless because our range being face up is a silly assumption to make.