Hi Brilliant,

Really liked the vid. I'm not very interested in deepstacks, but I felt this was quite instructive for simple solid play, it helped to get me thinking about stacksizes a lot, and also a great lesson on patience and discipline through some frustrating hands. I also liked the style of your commentary.

Some questions:

• AJ hand at 20min, K77 flop he cbets very big, and KQ at 22min, A42 he min-cbets:

I can see the argument being very clear for not check-raising on both cases. First one you risk too much. Second one your raise is going to be so small that he can still call or 3bet a huge (and very hard to guess at) range and outplay you very easily later as you'll have no idea where you stand. Is that about right?

Now, could you elaborate a bit on why calling is not an option? In the first case, flatting seemed kind of natural to me, although if he's kind of polarized for that bet AND he's going to keep the agression on turn/river whether he has it or not then calling sucks. On the second one I like a call a lot more, it's cheap, and I don't think you're going to make many mistakes on turn/river, I think he's going to make it pretty clear what kind of hand he has on the turn.

• AdKc hand, at 28min, 589ddd flop, he overbet-donks, you raise:

What is your thinking on the raise size? Pot is 240, he bets 300, 2200 in your stack. When you raise to 735 I imagine the goal is to let him shove over with worse draws thinking he has fold-equity? Sounds good, but doesn't that sizing induce more flat-calls from him too? And him flat-calling kind of sucks for you right, as 1-He can then openshove non-diamond turns and it sucks, and 2-He can check-fold if a diamond comes and he doesn't have one. What is your thinking on pros and cons of a more commiting raise size, forcing him to shove or fold?

Thanks for the vid, hope to see more from you.

interesting vid.

about the hand : AdKc hand, at 28min, 589ddd flop, he overbet-donks, you raise:

i think is a very interesting one. i saw this hand a lot and every time the villain just call and shove the river puts me in a weird spot...

so, dont you guys think the best way here is to shove the flop??? ( nice q nico ;) )

Hi Nicoasp and Jason,

I’m very glad you guys enjoyed the video. I will be coming out with at least 2 more videos pertaining to deep stack play within the next two months, and hopefully I can play different opponent types in upcoming matches.

• AJ hand at 20min, K77 flop he cbets very big, and KQ at 22min, A42 he min-cbets:

I can see the argument being very clear for not check-raising on both cases. First one you risk too much. Second one your raise is going to be so small that he can still call or 3bet a huge (and very hard to guess at) range and outplay you very easily later as you'll have no idea where you stand. Is that about right?

Now, could you elaborate a bit on why calling is not an option? In the first case, flatting seemed kind of natural to me, although if he's kind of polarized for that bet AND he's going to keep the agression on turn/river whether he has it or not then calling sucks. On the second one I like a call a lot more, it's cheap, and I don't think you're going to make many mistakes on turn/river, I think he's going to make it pretty clear what kind of hand he has on the turn.

Ya, the first one, the K77, his cbet was such a weird amount, 250 into 300, and I didn’t want to risk check raising to 600 or smthn, because that would have been ¼ my stack, and if he flatted, I would be lost on most turns/rivers. A lot of people would flat here with AJ, but I feel it just puts you in so many tough spots on the turn and river against a fishy opponent OOP in a bloated pot. I mean, what are you gonna do on a 9 turn, u check, and opponent Pot bets again? Or even an 8, 7, 6 , 5, 4, 3, 2, turn, if you check, and opponent Pots, you start to get into a lot of weird spots. Are you willing to call three barrels with Ace high here, saying that your hand doesn’t improve? I just feel that this is a good spot to just pass up, move on to the next hand, and take advantage of your opponent later in the match when he makes mistakes in pots where we have more clear of an edge/advantage.

The second hand was equally weird, because he only min-cbet, so check raising there would have made it cheaper for him to call with a wider range, and again I would have put myself in a tough spot on turns/rivers if he flatted.

Calling is definitely an option, and in fact, if I could play the hand again, I would have called instead of folding. Thanks for pointing this hand out. In spots like these against fish, where they just mincbet and I have two overs to the four and the deuce, I think a flat is much better than folding.

• AdKc hand, at 28min, 589ddd flop, he overbet-donks, you raise:

What is your thinking on the raise size? Pot is 240, he bets 300, 2200 in your stack. When you raise to 735 I imagine the goal is to let him shove over with worse draws thinking he has fold-equity? Sounds good, but doesn't that sizing induce more flat-calls from him too? And him flat-calling kind of sucks for you right, as 1-He can then openshove non-diamond turns and it sucks, and 2-He can check-fold if a diamond comes and he doesn't have one. What is your thinking on pros and cons of a more commiting raise size, forcing him to shove or fold?

To respond to both your question and Jason’s question on this hand:

I think my best option would have been to ship allin over his 300 chip bet, like Jason pointed out. Looking back on it, that may be the best play. The reason I ended up raising to 735 was twofold- 1) I thought there was a reasonable chance that he had some kind of combo flush/str8 draw, and it looked like I had left myself enough chips behind that it looked like he may have fold equity (even though I wasn’t gonna fold AdK there), so I thought there was a chance he would shove this combo draw which I woulda been ahead of.  2) Another reason I raised to that amount, is because I thought he may flat hands like 10 8, or any variation of weak 8s. Then, on most overcard turns, there would be a verrry good chance that he would check to me, and I would obv shove on a semi bluff, with a lot of outs if he happened to call my turn shove. But lets say turn is Q hearts and he checks 10 8os on the turn, I find it unlikely that he would call my turn shove with two overs to his pair of 8s on board. So I figured that slight chance that he had some 8x hand or some other strange hand, which he might flat flop and fold to turn shove, I thought that might compensate me enough as compared to the times he had some combo/flush draw and would get it in behind. I’m very interested on hearing what other player’s line of play on this flop would be, given that he donks 300 and we have 2200 behind. Thanks to you and Jason for bringing up this question on the AK hand, it really got me thinking critically.

Anyways, if you have any other questions, feel free to leave more comments.

Thanks for watching the video, there will be more to come in the future.

Hey Brill,

Nice video, it's refreshing to see some 100bb play without my voice over it!

Just a few comments:

@11:30 or so with Q8cc, I like leading the turn+river once he checks back KT9, I think he's betting most pairs on the flop and like u alluded to at the end of the hand, he just has ace high a bunch when he gives up that board combined with 3xing pre. We should get this type of guy to fold ace high pretty often, and combined with having a gutshot we'll make a decent profit leading even though he's going to be trapping now and then with KK or smth. 

@14:00 i laughed really hard when u said "we're almost back to even which is good" =P

@15:25 i dont really think you can fold here against a check/minraise, with that size on this texture i think he has Jx or similar hands often and we have 5:1 immediate odds with what's frequently a 5 out draw to an even bigger pot on future streets. 

...oops i submitted early, guess ill get back to you with the rest in my next comment! 

Barewire

That AJ hand on K77 I forget the timestamp, but I don't see why c/c wouldn't be your standard play against a normal bet size. The c/r wouldn't really get him off anything since he's been checking down showdown value hands and thus cbetting a polarized range (i.e. TT on KQxKx in 3bet pot). He's also not super aggro so c/c and try to showdown is a fine plan imo against 150 into 300. When he bets 250 i'd also fold though, that size scares the shit out of me.

@22min, I'd c/c the KQ on A24, we're getting a sick price and I'm curious to hear why you think we have to c/r or c/f when we have a pretty solid showdown hand?

@31:30 flat!!! dude is going bonkers and just 2 barreled a random 8 on a 4straight board, he's betting like all turns with all hands if u flat

@32:30 i'd just jam our hand over his pot donkbet, getting flatted and donked into on the turn is a disaster on basically every turn card

If you wanna discuss any of those hands more maybe we could start a thread in the forum here! Nice video dude

Barewire

i liked it alot, as some might know, i play very different from this, kinda on feel, and play much bigger pots + spew prolly lol

but ive always admired the amount of solidness in brillz game + the way he adapts quickly and makes good calls (hes by no means, a nit, just solid) + very clearly put his mind and thoughts into words

just love brillianttttttttttttttttttt

:wub:

Hey jack and barewire, Thanks for watching the vid, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm writing this message from my iPhone, cause I'm out the next day or two. On Monday afternoon, I'll look at those specific hands and leave comments on them. Until then, have a good weekend and I'll ttyl. Brill

I only watched this to see the min bet bluff. You didn't do it once. You've ruined my night.

Comment approved by Woodpecker.

lol epic. Wasnt that woodpecker guy that I played yesterday horrible? Lol, he bets 1k into 100 chip pot, I shove allin for 1k more and he insta folds lololol

Hey Brill,

Nice video, it's refreshing to see some 100bb play without my voice over it!

Just a few comments:

Ya def, seems like me and you are the only ones who play deep stacks J

@11:30 or so with Q8cc, I like leading the turn+river once he checks back KT9, I think he's betting most pairs on the flop and like u alluded to at the end of the hand, he just has ace high a bunch when he gives up that board combined with 3xing pre. We should get this type of guy to fold ace high pretty often, and combined with having a gutshot we'll make a decent profit leading even though he's going to be trapping now and then with KK or smth. 

I don’t mind a lead on the turn after he checks back the flop. But if we lead the turn and he calls, and the river brings an ace, I think it’s a spot to check the river and hopefully he checks behind. I do believe that he has a lot of Ax in his range, as the hand was played, and firing two barrels on the turn and the river will be good imo, as long as an ace doesn’t hit on the turn or river.

@14:00 i laughed really hard when u said "we're almost back to even which is good" =P

Lol

@15:25 i dont really think you can fold here against a check/minraise, with that size on this texture i think he has Jx or similar hands often and we have 5:1 immediate odds with what's frequently a 5 out draw to an even bigger pot on future streets. 

Ya, the mincheckraise is kinda redic by him, because it does give me 5 to 1 odds on a flat. I guess I could have peeled the flop , to see if I could trip up, or hit two pair. And then I could have re-evaluated the turn. Perhaps he would even check back the turn, giving me a free river card. In which case my flop pot odds woulda been good enough, without even considering implied odds.

That AJ hand on K77 I forget the timestamp, but I don't see why c/c wouldn't be your standard play against a normal bet size. The c/r wouldn't really get him off anything since he's been checking down showdown value hands and thus cbetting a polarized range (i.e. TT on KQxKx in 3bet pot). He's also not super aggro so c/c and try to showdown is a fine plan imo against 150 into 300. When he bets 250 i'd also fold though, that size scares the shit out of me.

The bet size of 250 into 300 was def a key reason that I folded. It was just strange, based on his past bet amounts, and I feel like it would have just put me in tough turn/river spots if I flatted the flop. I guess a flat would have been best if he bet ½ pot,. And then once again I could have re-evaluated the turn.

@22min, I'd c/c the KQ on A24, we're getting a sick price and I'm curious to hear why you think we have to c/r or c/f when we have a pretty solid showdown hand?

 Tbh I agree with you 100%. I think a c/c line on the flop, given his small bet amount, is the best line here. Looking back on it, I played this hand wrong for sure, by folding flop.

@31:30 flat!!! dude is going bonkers and just 2 barreled a random 8 on a 4straight board, he's betting like all turns with all hands if u flat

This hand  is interesting. I’m not sure if I totally love a flat here. Given the huge chance that he will get Ax allin here on the flop, as well as a flush draw, I think a small raise is best. If he does have air, hes gonna fold. And if he does have air, theres a chance that he will two barrel bluff.  But I feel that the increased % chance that he has Ax or flush draw, outweighs the disadvantage of when he folds his air, and thus I prefer raising flop here. I’m interested to hear how others would play this flop.

@32:30 i'd just jam our hand over his pot donkbet, getting flatted and donked into on the turn is a disaster on basically every turn card

Ya, shoving def simplifies my decision making on this board. If he flats flop, and if he donks turn, it puts us in a lot of tough spots for sure.

Thanks for watching the video, and I appreciate the time you took on looking at these hands. Glgl in feb.

Brillant27

He didn't have to odds, or the backdoor suckout equity, to call the 1k shove. Good fold.

lol

Hey Brilliant!

Fantastic video! I really like your presentation skill as well as your style (very simple/solid).

So my question is;

Can we expect another deep stack video soon? I saw you posted a reg speed recently so can we expect the next one to be deepstack?

Thanks and keep the good work!

Cheers!

Hi Bonafontz,

I'm glad you enjoyed this video.

I'll be talking with Chicagory over the next week or two, and we will decide whether I should do another deepstack video or reg speed video for the upcoming video on March 15th. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for watching!

Brilliant27

Hi! I'm just going to say that i absolutely loved this movie and i'd like to see more deepstackmovies from you. You explained well and it was very educational, i learned a lot. So just adding my $0.02, loved the movie and hope to see more deepstacks from you. :)

Regards

Grusbus

Thanks Grusbus, I appreciate the kind words. I will speak to Chiry and see if I can do another deepstack one in the near future.