Beating Spin & Go Poker

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bonus material

Hi, I bought the pack last year, where can I find the bonus material? Thanks for help :)

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It's on the downloads page,

It's on the downloads page, embeded.

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One year later...

Is the information in this video pack still good enough to beat the $7s (and possible $15s)?

I bought and watched this last year and intended to play the $30s but after that for various reasons I haven't played much. Trying to get back into it now by single tabling the 7s but it's not going great.

Is it worth it to invest the time to watch all of it again?

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Most definitely for $7s and

Most definitely for $7s and $15s, likely even into $30s unless you're a really good player that is jumping into $60s.

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Thanks!That should give me

Thanks!

That should give me some hope I guess. Right now I'm doing way worse single tabling the 7s than I did 2-3 tabling the 30s in November 2014. I just can't seem to figure out why I suck so much (and no, I don't actually limp 72o ;)).

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Need Confirmation on this

Are you sure this material is still good enough to beat 7s and even 15s at today´s game? Arent you overselling the product? Would like to know what people who had actually bought this can verify that statement...Thanks!¡

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Hello! Since ive seen most of

Hello! Since ive seen most of HUSNG.com's content and taken many private coaching-sessions from coffeeyay, also been around in spins for quite a long time now and i am familiar with all the content to spin and go format thats possible to buy from any sites around internet, i can assure you this material is the most competent videopack around and is more than enough to beat 7s and even 15s. Would definitely recommend this pack. Coffeeyay is very accurate and has both, theory and practic covered in this pack with extremely detailed explanations. It gives you massive edge to beat 7s and 15s if you work the pack through and make solid amount of notes and make sure you actually use this information in the tables (even a lot of good regs seem not to understand all the concepts), but is a must if you ever want to move up the stakes. Since i play spins myself i obvioulsy dislike they give away such detailed information for that cheap prize which is affordable basically to everyone

 

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Question about the hypersonic spin n go HUD

Hey Coffeeyay,

I'm a bit curious about the hypersonic spin n go HUD and how it works for someone with no experience in these games.

Let's say you download it, and play with it, and play 100% accordingly to the hud, in other words, just follow it as a robot. Would someone make a profit doing this? Do you have any examples for ROI in different buyins using the hypersonic hud? $3/$7/$15 and maybe even $30?

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Hey, that is not how HUDs

Hey, that is not how HUDs work. the HUDS (heads up displays) only gather data. What you choose to do based on that data is up to you.

For example, almost every HUD for any game will record the stat "preflop raise %." This will tell you the % of times your opponent raises preflop. Many HUDs, such as our CoffeeHUD, will also separate it by the effective big blinds (the most amount of big blinds you can win in the hand, so if you have 600 chips and your opponent 300 chips and it's 10/20 level, the most chips you can win in the pot is 300 chips, or 15 big blinds, that is your effective stack size).

So if the preflop raise % stat shows 75%, you now know your opponent raises 75%. How that impacts your decisions depends on what you feel that means. Smart players will not only look at the # in the HUD, but also look at the hands (often based on short term memory) that the player actually raised with. The top 75% of hands is a lot different than if a player limps say AQ+, JJ+, some suited connectors... the second range is a much weaker range that includes a lot of bottom bad hands then.

So the HUD is just going to give you an idea of the % of time your opponent takes different actions in various positions and at various stack sizes. It's tremendously helpful, but you still need to combine it with understanding proper winning adjustments and strategy.

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Hey, Thanks for the response.

Hey,

Thanks for the response. The main thing I was referring to was the pushing/calling/limping/etc.. Charts in the hypersonic spin n go hud. From what I understand the charts inside the HUD tells you exactly what is right depending on the pure ICM decision. I do understand the basic stuff like VPIP/PRF/CB etc. I'm not sure if it's the same site but I found the HUD at husng.info, but I was assuming that's your site as well since it says coffeeyays hypersonic spin n go hud 2.0. In the HUD there are alot of charts, and they seem based purely on ICM decisions. So I guess my question is better to ask in this way: If someone makes only ICM based decisions in spin n goes, will they make a profit from it? I'm pretty sure myself its not possible in the $60s or $100s, but does anyone know, or can take a "qualified" guess if it is possible in the lower buyins? I guess someone must have tried it since you have the "cheat-sheet" to the icm-pushes in that HUD.

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There's no ICM for limping,

There's no ICM for limping, just push fold.

I asked a pretty solid spins player and coach and they told me just push fold ICM probably won't beat anything, if the chart has decent assumptions for limping/raising too, then maybe it's possible to earn a small profit under $7 level by following blindly, but not recommended at all.

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What I meant was the push for

What I meant was the push for when e.g. button limps and you're on smallblind which is included in the charts you get with the HUD.

Okay, thanks for taking your time and asking him for me! Was a bit curious about the HUD overall, especially the charts, because I felt it is pretty "dangerous" to sell this if it's possible to profit from it just using the directions you get in the chart. E.g. it would have been pretty valuable information for someone making a bot. Anyways, thanks.

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For full information, I had

For full information, I had nothing to do with this HUD or the charts included in it.

Pre-flop charts, even good ones, will never guarantee a winner anyways--most edge comes from post-flop. On top of that, a static strategy is exploitable (unless it's near-GTO which has a lot of probabilitic mixing giving frequencies for actions for each hand, which these charts certainly don't have)--so if you always play by these charts and never adapt your opponents can adapt to you and exploit you and take away any pre-flop edge you may have had anyways (and gain some for themselves!).

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Adjusted ROI Formula

I am not sure if I understand it correctly.

Let's say I have an ITM of 37.5% and play on a site with 6% rake.

0.375 * 0.94 = 0.3525 * 3 = 1.0575 - 1 = 0.575

Therefore my adjusted ROI would be 0.05%? Or do I now need to multiply with 100 (seems more likely - but maybe I got the whole formula wrong / misunderstood it?)

Hi.

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1.0575 - 1 = .0575 which is a

1.0575 - 1 = .0575 which is a decimal, so to convert to % you multiply by 100 to get 5.75%. In general it's best to use decimals in math equations and then convert to % at the end (and at the start as you did when you went from 37.5% to .375). Sorry this wasn't more clear :)

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Thanks for the fast repsonse,

Thanks for the fast repsonse, I really appreciate it. :)

I don't think, that it was not clear...I jus think there is no winning, in explaining math. You do it for the math dummies (hi laugh), the ones who are good at it don't like it and you do the other way around the dummy is not sure. That's what feedback threads are for. yes

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Hey, it's me again :) You are

Hey, it's me again :)

You are talking a lot about shallow play? Can you tell me, your definition of "shallow"? I asume it is something like <16bb? 

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I think of it as something

I think of it as something like 8-13bb, but it's a little bit fluid because it depends on when your opponent changes their strategy (ie when they believe we are "shallow").

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3-way Limp Probabiity

On the curse you stated that the probability of facing a 3-way pot when open limping from the BU is (SB Completing %)*(BB Checking Behind) having some issues understanding the BB Checking behind part as if we are just focusing the time BB is facing just the limp from the BU or do we have to account for the time BB is facing an open limp from BU + SB completing and them multiplying this number for the times SB completes?

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It's to account for the fact

It's to account for the fact that BB might Iso raise our limp. check back = not iso, so it allows you to get the frequency of 3-way non-iso pots.

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Is this video package still

Is this video package still worth buying?

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It's good for low stakes

It's good for low stakes players, players just starting out and losing players at any level.

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Question

Does this serie of video add something to the knowledge of a winner low-mid staker (let's say 10-20$ reg) ?

Thanks :)

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adjusting to game with antes.

Hi,

I have recently bought the package and I think that there is lot of valuable information that will help beginners in understanding deeper the spin n go tournaments.

I am currently studying it with the intention to apply the concepts in twister poker tournaments (spins of ipoker network) where after the first blind level there are antes. Should I just use adjusted BB as the measure of effective stacks and then make decisions accordingly? Is there a more efficient way to handle this issue because HM2 and notecaddy use actual big blinds to track stats so there will be a gap between the HUD stats and any particular hand after the 10-20 level.

Thanks.  

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Yes use adjusted BB, and also

Yes use adjusted BB, and also know you get slightly better pot odds in all places post so your ranges will be slightly wider at the adjusted BB stack depth.

As for HUD, I'd say your best bet is just to understand that your HUD is recording stats without taking into account the adjusted BB. And that actually likely ends up easiest--when there are 12bb non-adjusted BB effective stacks in-game, you know that corresponds to 12bb according to your HUD (but is closer to 10bb for your strategy after you adjust the BB to take into account antes). I don't think there's any other easy solution to this.

Best of luck!

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quick clarification

Hi coffee, thanks a lot for your reply. 

Just a query regarding your post. You mentioned "you get slightly better pot odds in all places post". 

Do you mean post flop pot odds for draws, call to turn shoves, etc? Why is that? Could you please explain this a little bit further?

Thank you.

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Sorry, typo, meant pre-flop.

Sorry, typo, meant pre-flop. You get better odds post to vpip everywhere pre due to the better price from the antes. Postflop is the same, the ante is a sunk cost at that point.

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Hello, I bought the pack 10

Hello,

I bought the pack 10 days ago and at this time the slides and the Nash charts weren't included. Is there anyway you could email me the slides? I bought the pack with that account!

Many thanks

 

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Hey, when you extract the

Hey, when you extract the file a folder called "charts" will appear.

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Thanks for your answer, it

Thanks for your answer, it helped!

I have some questions: 

In the pratical video about facing open shoves from the bb around 5:33 coffee said KTs would be a call in this situation, but regarding to the nash charts he provided this is a call at 10 bb however we're more 20bbs, is it possible to have some clarifications about this hand?

Also, he said in the SB min raising strategy that vilains tend to fold too much, at which frequency would you say vilains fold too much? 20% fold bb vs sb opens, 10%? 

And last question: what kind of sizing would you use for cbetting bluff SB vs BB?

Many thanks!

PS: Another question: if we play only push/fold on the BTN, will we lose money on the long run? I don't think so, as playing only push fold is negative on SB above 8bbs due to the blinds right and that we need to fold a lot of hands? But as we don't have blinds to put on the BTN, that's fine, but might be not the best EV right? Could you confirm that?

 

 

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"In the pratical video about

"In the pratical video about facing open shoves from the bb around 5:33 coffee said KTs would be a call in this situation, but regarding to the nash charts he provided this is a call at 10 bb however we're more 20bbs, is it possible to have some clarifications about this hand?"

Nash charts are solutions for when the BU plays push/fold. Think about what kind of hands you're up against here compared to a shove. Play around with a shoving calculator. It's quite close, but often a call due to its good equity here :)

"Also, he said in the SB min raising strategy that vilains tend to fold too much, at which frequency would you say vilains fold too much? 20% fold bb vs sb opens, 10%?"

Balanced play calls for folding to a minraise about 5%-10% of the time. So 10% is on the high side of folding but not terribly exploitable, 20-30% folding is pretty clear over-folding. I think the population folds around 30% of the time to a minraise.

"And last question: what kind of sizing would you use for cbetting bluff SB vs BB?"

It depends on the texture, but generally quite small is good. Bigger than minbet, smaller than 1/2 pot. Sometimes you may want to be bigger, towards the 1/2 pot or 3/4 pot range, but as a bluff generally small sizes work very well.

"PS: Another question: if we play only push/fold on the BTN, will we lose money on the long run? I don't think so, as playing only push fold is negative on SB above 8bbs due to the blinds right and that we need to fold a lot of hands? But as we don't have blinds to put on the BTN, that's fine, but might be not the best EV right? Could you confirm that?"

Well you're certainly losing money in the long run when you compare to how much money you could have earned playing a good strategy. But in BU, you will still be winning chips from start of hand (just fewer than you should be) since there is no forced investment so folding =0 and you are shoving all hands >0.

 

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How would you adjust from the

How would you adjust from the strategies described in this pack to twisters in the ipoker network which are exactly the same structure but with antes?

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I answered this partly in a

I answered this partly in a comment above. Use effective BBs when calibrating your strategy. Make all pre-flop ranges slightly wider.

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thanks a lot 

thanks a lot 

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Hello everybody, I am trying

Hello everybody,

I am trying to improve my 3 way game in spin and go and I´ve found that this video pack might help. The thing is that it´s more that 2 years old and before buying I would like to ask if it´s still worth it. I was wondering if the tendencies have changed by now, for example, I think that now it´s more common to limp SB than it was before, and I see some merit on limp shoving some parts of my range instead of mR and see flops out of position. Just would like to know if the metagame has changed or this is still the best video pack to improve in the 3 way game.

Thanks in advance, and last one question, What video pack would you recommend to work my HU game? My intention is to purchase one for HU as well. Actually I am trying to move from 7 dollar spins (with more than 80 chip/EV per game) to 15, so I want to make sure that I am ready for that.

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Hey there, the pack was last

Hey there, the pack was last updated with new material in 2016. For the tendencies, limping is covered in the pack, and in talking with Adam, he believes only minraising at lower levels is also fine because the population still responds very poorly to that strategy (even if it's theoretically possible to do better with limping).

For HU play, something more basic is going to be Pbogz Journey pack or zzztilt crushing hypers, while a little more high level and recent material would be Lotte Lenya's hyper turbo pack. Good luck!

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Thanks for your reply, I

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it!

I think I´ll go ahead and buy this video pack then.

Next month or so I will also buy one of those you mentioned to improve my HU game.

 

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discount codes

Hello,

I am considering buying "Beating Spin and Go Poker" video pack and wondering if there are any discount codes available for this product.

Thanks